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Last week I hoped we would see a narrative that would discuss how a flawed team filled with no-names and has been's could not only wind up in the Superbowl, but be the favorite to win the game. The key phrase here is "discuss HOW". Well about a week has come and gone and the one consistent story line has been that most of the experts (about 70% I'd say) think the Pats will win, while at the same time almost universally acknowledging that the Rams clearly have almost all of the game changers.

I'm still having a problem getting my head around that incongruity. The Rams have a D-line with THREE playmakers (Donald, Suh, Fowler), yet for some unknown reason the Pats OL is expected to control and succeed against them. On the other hand, the Pats DL couldn't be more vanilla, yet some how with one of the top 3 RB's in the league plus the best OL, the Pats will get the job done.

Doesn't make sense does it. The only explanation comes down to one word - Patriots. Put the same 53 man roster on the field against the Rams and call it something else and the Rams would be 7-10 pt favorites. I mean when you think about it, it's rather flattering. But the problem is that we can never get most of the mediots to actually try and break down exactly WHY they are so convinced that despite the obvious "talent advantage", they make the leap of faith and assume that Brady and Bellichick can overcome that gap.

Now before you think I believe that they will lose this game, I want to clearly state that I agree with the great majority. And I think that we all know a lot of the reasons why the Pats can overcome the "talent gap" and win despite it. We have talked about it many times over MANY threads. My regret is that THAT narrative isn't being shared to the rest of the country. Because the lesson of the Pats success is one that this country desperately needs to examine.

1. I watch the Manning analysis that was posted (thank you). He especially did a great job breaking down the GL pick that Brady threw. There was one angle shot behind Brady where you can see how the Ragland was completely hidden from Brady's view behind a barrier of offensive and defensive linemen. It really helped explain a throw that, at the time, was pretty explainable.

2. I'm kind of proud of the fact I predicted how the Pats were going to match up against the Chiefs (at least some of the time. ;) ). So with that newfound arrogance, I'll take another stab at it.

I think the Pats will duplicate what they tried to do with Hill last week and use Gilmore on Woods, only this time put CJ Jackson on Cooks with help over the top (the 'cloud') Jackson has shown that he can run with fast WR's, but is also physical as well. Let him try and beat up Cooks, , who is fast rather than quick, knowing he can use the 'trail technique' because someone will always be ready for the deep ball and double moves. I think we can put Chung on the Rams TE's with a relative degree of confidence. JMac will switch time between the Reynolds and Gurley. I don't think that the Pats will use JJones as much because of the Rams running threat. This could very well be a 3 safety game on those short to mid-range downs. Just a thought.

3. One of the myriad stats that stood out to me was the fact that the Pats were the best tackling team in the league. It struck me as another reason why this team is so good, because at this level, tackling isn't really about skill, its all about coaching.

All the guys at this level have the skill, toughness, and desire to tackle. What makes the Pats the best at it HAS to be the coaching. Not just the techniques. Everyone know HOW to tackle properly, right down to the HS level. But the reason why the Pats are best at it is that they have somehow gotten their players to buy into tackling properly, even though it sometimes isn't the "easiest" way. THAT is what good coaching really is....and not everyone can do it across the board.

4. Jared Goff is better than most people think. His numbers show that. But more importantly, his play against the Saints should have proven it. He overcame a lot of adversity in that game. The extremely hostile environment, the helmet failure, and the early bad play, and ended up playing his best football when it counted the most under pressure.

Goff's experience seems a lot like Brady's in 2001. He excels when his is "managing the game" and playing in his comfort zone. He CAN make all the throws and has a strong cast of support people in Gurley, Cooks, and Woods. So even though the Pats have a CLEAR advantage at this key position, we shouldn't sleep on Goff. He's come a long way from the stumble bum we saw a couple years ago.

5. Maybe the most encouraging thing for Pats fans coming out of Atlanta almost all the reporters are talking about how loose and relaxed the Pats have been this week. Not just the players but BB as well. In one way it scares the hell out of me, but in another you can't help but wonder if BB and boys know something we don't.

I can almost hear BB after that Saturday walk-thru say, "Men, you've had a great week of practice. You have EARNED this opportunity. You have certainly done the work over the course of this long season. Now if you execute A, B and C tomorrow night, you will walk off the field as Champions".
 
Last week I hoped we would see a narrative that would discuss how a flawed team filled with no-names and has been's could not only wind up in the Superbowl, but be the favorite to win the game. The key phrase here is "discuss HOW". Well about a week has come and gone and the one consistent story line has been that most of the experts (about 70% I'd say) think the Pats will win, while at the same time almost universally acknowledging that the Rams clearly have almost all of the game changers.



1. I watch the Manning analysis that was posted (thank you). He especially did a great job breaking down the GL pick that Brady threw. There was one angle shot behind Brady where you can see how the Ragland was completely hidden from Brady's view behind a barrier of offensive and defensive linemen. It really helped explain a throw that, at the time, was pretty explainable.

On that play, one thing I didn't see anybody else mention was that it looked to me like 50% on Gronk. Iirc manning showed the same play with vrabel. But vrabel ran it shallow, only one-two yards inside the EZ. Gronk ran it Five yards Deep and slanting. If he had gone shallow he either breaks up the Int or gets the ball in Front of Ragland
 
4 playmakers on the D-line, Ken. You’ve got to include Brockers, who plays both inside and DE, and is often the team leader who pumps up the team with his pregame speeches.

Quite the task for the OL, this week. Let’s hope they are up for the challenge.
 
Excellent writeup, Ken. Fingers crossed for a celebratory “idle thoughts” that keeps you up for hours, smiling widely after the game. ;)
 
Fingers crossed. Hoping Hightower comes back healthy!
 
Sadly, Ken, I fear that the Mediots are well named. The primary narrative we are most likely to hear in any week of football is the trial balloon that gathers the most clicks, reinforces itself, and becomes the "Narrative".

That is precisely why I ignore the noise and start my Patriots day, every day, right here on this excellent board. :)

Regarding The Game, I like the Pats quite a bit in this one. It looks like a good match up for us. On offense, I think we will run hard and often, preferably away from Donald. This is the best run game we've had in years. We will keep using it and tire the Rams D in the fourth quarter.

On defense, we will play as physical as the refs allow. Goff and McVay are very talented and will likely have a good game. I expect the Pats to assume Gurley is 100% and highly motivated.

I only hope that Goff doesn't catch SB lightning as Foles and E. Manning have done in years past! :mad:

Go Pats!
 
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I feel like we’ve talked about how relaxed BB has been the last few SBs. I think he just really likes it there.

Also, can I just say how glad I am the Pats made it to the Super Bowl so that stupid play in Miami doesn’t mean anything? If they had lost in the AFC championship game that would have bugged me for eternity.
 
On defense, we will play as physical as the refs allow.
Did you hear Travis Kelce on Felger and Mazz Thursday. He was asked how The Pats limited him in the game. His answer "The Pats were grabbing a lot. You can see it on tape". I am sure the Pats were, but I kind of laughed since Gronk was getting mugged all game.
 
Nice post Ken.

I agree that we will likely see Gilmore on Woods but I'm not sure about Jackson on Cooks. I could still see Jones or Crossen on Cooks or they may implement specific D packages against different Ram looks although I suspect the Rams will go no huddle often in order to minimize substitution.
I do think Gurley is the key for the Rams both running and passing out of the backfield.
Both teams' play action games are vital to their success.

One more note that I hope Romo provides some insight (he's the only that would):
How the Patriots D lines up with more than 15 secs on the play clock and less. We know McVay likes to call plays at the line presumably based on D formation or tendency and at 15 seconds (I think) the coach communication is cut-off. It would be interesting to see the all 22 view of the defense before the play and during.
 
Thanks for your thoughts

We have 5 playmakers across from theirs. Actually 7 with gronk and Dev.

What do we think about their OL against our DL, that’s where I think the game hinges. I could see them being able to find our weak run defense again.
 
Did you hear Travis Kelce on Felger and Mazz Thursday. He was asked how The Pats limited him in the game. His answer "The Pats were grabbing a lot. You can see it on tape". I am sure the Pats were, but I kind of laughed since Gronk was getting mugged all game.
I heard his interview and his comment definitely had an underlying dig ("they were grabbing and holding and playing physical). The irony is almost too thick. 1) Even if it were true, welcome to about 50% of the challenges Gronk faces. Berry essentially was piggybacking and humping Gronk up the field the entire game. 2) Hilarious coming from the guy whose only touchdown was from a clear push off. Go back and watch him - completely extends his arms to push Jackson off then catches the 10 yard TD slant.

I hate that dbag. If I see that stupid McDonald's commercial one more time i'm throwing my remote through the tv.
 
Also, can I just say how glad I am the Pats made it to the Super Bowl so that stupid play in Miami doesn’t mean anything? If they had lost in the AFC championship game that would have bugged me for eternity.

Totally agree. Still burns me that all that holding wasn't called on the Tyree catch a decade ago. Or that Samuel dropped the game sealing interception. :mad:
 
I feel like we’ve talked about how relaxed BB has been the last few SBs. I think he just really likes it there.

Also, can I just say how glad I am the Pats made it to the Super Bowl so that stupid play in Miami doesn’t mean anything? If they had lost in the AFC championship game that would have bugged me for eternity.

Speaking of The Miami Miracle II, as I was watching a season highlight show I noticed something that I hadn't noticed before. The worst of that play was that Jonathan Jones went for the ball on the first pass even though he was in perfect position to make a tackle. That was a huge mistake.

As for the upcoming game, my biggest concern is the same as it is whenever the Pats play against Suh. I'm just hoping that he doesn't get a clear shot at a dirty hit on Brady.
 
Did you hear Travis Kelce on Felger and Mazz Thursday. He was asked how The Pats limited him in the game. His answer "The Pats were grabbing a lot. You can see it on tape". I am sure the Pats were, but I kind of laughed since Gronk was getting mugged all game.

The Felger and Mazz show is the perfect place for Kelce.
 
While I’m not one who wants this board over-moderated. But, what’s up with everybody starting new threads when the OP is something that can be very easily added to an existing thread?

This thread didn’t deserve to be pushed off the front page. Ken puts a lot of thought into his “thoughts” and it’s always a good read. So, I’m bumping this back up to the front page.
 
The tackling thing intrigues me. I agree, it seems we’ve been phenomenal at it this year. But if it’s just superior coaching.... it really felt like last year’s Super Bowl would’ve been won if the defense (especially the secondary) did even a decent job of tackling. Mostly the same coaches are here, unless somehow we think Matty p was unable to teach tackling.

Am I right that they struggled some last year, or am I just thinking that because it came on crucial plays (I remember 3rd downs... one brutal one with bademosi missing)
 
Sadly, Ken, I fear that the Mediots are well named. The primary narrative we are most likely to hear in any week of football is the trial balloon that gathers the most clicks, reinforces itself, and becomes the "Narrative".

That is precisely why I ignore the noise and start my Patriots day, every day, right here on this excellent board. :)

Regarding The Game, I like the Pats quite a bit in this one. It looks like a good match up for us. On offense, I think we will run hard and often, preferably away from Donald. This is the best run game we've had in years. We will keep using it and tire the Rams D in the fourth quarter.

On defense, we will play as physical as the refs allow. Goff and McVay are very talented and will likely have a good game. I expect the Pats to assume Gurley is 100% and highly motivated.

I only hope that Goff doesn't catch SB lightning as Foles and E. Manning have done in years past! :mad:

Go Pats!

Better to run at the quick players; just double-team Donald when so doing. The Rams have given up a lot of yards rushing in the interior...
 
Better to run at the quick players; just double-team Donald when so doing. The Rams have given up a lot of yards rushing in the interior...
Yes I recalled that Rams have given up good running yardage inside, so why run away from Donald? Just use his strengths against him, let him commit then redirect him to open a lane, double team or wham as needed.
 
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