JC Jackson penalties in the 4th...

launch forearm to the head against a defenseless receiver after and INT, clearly against the rules

JayNM said:

Dude...

Gronk gets hold AT least 10 Yards... It's freaking unbelievable... I hate complaining about referees, but Appearently the rules don't apply to Gronk, because it's on EVERY MATCH

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The funny thing is fans of the other 31 all agree Gronk pushes off every target.

PATSYLICIOUS said:

They all technically could have been called but consistency is the issue.

If they didn’t think dorsett was interefered with in the end zone or his comeback route later, or gronk a couple plays after the rtp call, then they had no business flagging jcj on at least 2-3 of those calls. Horse sh**

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well, that is the problem right there. If they are calling it both ways you just take the good with the bad. But when one team is allowed to hold all day and create illegal picks and the other is getting called for ticky tack stuff it is frustrating.

Elijah said:

The funny thing is fans of the other 31 all agree Gronk pushes off every target.

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Yep. I mean they have arms around the guy, and but I guess as long GRONK doesnt use his arms, it's a fair fight

The hold against Jackson was totally legit. The sideline one was totally illegit. The Kelce one probably technically was DPI but was super duper ticky tack.

MrNathanDrake said:

Anyone else think at least one of them was very, very ticky tacky. I can't remember the exact sequence of events. There was a lot going on at the time. I just remember it was a big play in a big moment towards the end of the game.

Lets talk about it. Gifs, videos?

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Both calls were complete BS.
The first call was Defensive Holding. What actually happened was the receiver got tripped up by the turf and fell into Jackson who was playing man. One of the announcing duo claimed that Jackson held the receiver down. The REPLAY clearly showed that Jackson did no such thing..

EDIT: Still looks like the receiver engaged Jackson and tripped on the turf and that Jackson didn't hold the receiver down..

The second call was for Defensive Pass Interference. It was a BS call because by the time the contact happened (which was minor and didn't actually alter the receiver's route), the ball was already over-thrown and just about to hit the ground. The receiver had ZERO chance to make a play on the ball.

Dr Pain said:

launch forearm to the head against a defenseless receiver after and INT, clearly against the rules

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I thought that was Hitchens but wasn't certain until you posted the replay. That angle makes it look even more blatant.

QuantumMechanic said:

The hold against Jackson was totally legit. The sideline one was totally illegit. The Kelce one probably technically was DPI but was super duper ticky tack.

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I agree. Yeah, the receiver's momentum had something to do with it, but he doesn't hit the deck if Jackson doesn't put him there.

Dr Pain said:

launch forearm to the head against a defenseless receiver after and INT, clearly against the rules

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This non-call pissed me off the most. Especially when you consider the potential severity of injury and the ticky tack nature of some of the other calls.

DaBruinz said:

Both calls were complete BS.
The first call was Defensive Holding. What actually happened was the receiver got tripped up by the turf and fell into Jackson who was playing man. One of the announcing duo claimed that Jackson held the receiver down. The REPLAY clearly showed that Jackson did no such thing..

EDIT: Still looks like the receiver engaged Jackson and tripped on the turf and that Jackson didn't hold the receiver down..

The second call was for Defensive Pass Interference. It was a BS call because by the time the contact happened (which was minor and didn't actually alter the receiver's route), the ball was already over-thrown and just about to hit the ground. The receiver had ZERO chance to make a play on the ball.

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I agree about the pass interference, but I don't see the holding the same way. I think he had his feet until contact.

But I think it could have been let go. I just don't think it was egregious. Now, when you add in the lack of a call on tbt pick play by KC and the call for a pick on Dorsett that was pretty bad and then I have more of a problem with it.

EddardSnow67 said:

I agree about the pass interference, but I don't see the holding the same way. I think he had his feet until contact.

But I think it could have been let go. I just don't think it was egregious. Now, when you add in the lack of a call on tbt pick play by KC and the call for a pick on Dorsett that was pretty bad and then I have more of a problem with it.

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The contact occurred and was initiated by the receiver within 1 yard of the LOS. When the receiver cuts, his right foot plants way wide because he was already off-balance and falling..

DaBruinz said:

The contact occurred and was initiated by the receiver within 1 yard of the LOS. When the receiver cuts, his right foot plants way wide because he was already off-balance and falling..

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That's very possibly what happened, I'm just saying I haven't seen it that way yet. But I'll be watching these plays a lot, so I very well could see it that way eventually. I'm just saying I wasn't that upset about it because it was a penalty that gets called a lot because of the view of the back judge and the positioning of the players involved.

Dr Pain said:

launch forearm to the head against a defenseless receiver after and INT, clearly against the rules

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I saw this and yelled at home

Berry was holding onto Gronk's elbow brace like it was a handle.

Spiral said:

Berry was holding onto Gronk's elbow brace like it was a handle.

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It’s become common practice for refs just to ignore any kind of contact on Gronk. I’d be willing to bet money that he has drawn no more than maybe 5 pi calls the whole season. Although if you exclusively put a camera on just him, you would see every type of pass interference on just about every play.

I agree with fnodcircle. That DPI in the endzone was a bad call. Kelce had to turn around since Mahomes threw it behind Kelce.

The holding call was warranted but is probably a 50/50 call anyway. It's not a no-brainer, but I can't really complain about it. The PI was ticky tack as hell, to the point I'm inclined to call it bogus, but we committed RTP on the same play. The PI gave them extra yardage, but with the way they moved the ball in the 4th I'm not sure that extra yardage would've made too big of a difference. The DPI in the end zone was a bad call, for the same reason the RTP on Brady was a bad call: the ref called what he thought happened rather than what he saw happen. He saw Kelce get turned around and for whatever reason assumed Jackson must not have done it, rather than realize that Kelce was going for the ball that had been thrown well behind him.

By far the most egregious officiating mistake, IMO, doesn't involve Jackson directly, but was failing to call the obvious pick on the pass that got the Chiefs down to the 2. Other than that, the Chiefs got generally favorable officiating in that they were given significantly more leeway in the secondary than we were, but that's part of having home field for better or worse. We've benefited from it in past years, and it's part of why from 2013-2018 no away teams won conference championship games IIRC. That Jackson was the primary victim of that trend mostly has to do with the assignments he was drawing I think. Luckily, the Pats were up to the challenge of overcoming that and all of the other pitfalls associated with being the road team yesterday.

fnordcircle said:

The no-call on the pick play from the 40 that ended with Watson at the 2 was even worse. Conley straight up obliterates Jackson and is blocking McCourty at the 32 and a half yard when the ball is in the air and not even halfway to Watkins.

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Conley just stops on his route to get in the way. Straight BS. I mean it's clearly unnatural. WTF are you doing refs?

For whatever reason, JC had an officiating bullseye on him Sunday.

Since the playoffs started the general position has been to 'let them play' - generally letting DBs make contact as long as they don't knock down a WR or pull and arm away during the catching motion.

Kelce, not once, but twice (on the TD and the DPI in the EZ) got away with a full arm extension push off on JC - there was a huge fuss about Gronk doing the same in the last few years - we were told; fully extend the arm and it's OPI. Just not if it's Kelce doing it.

The holding call perhaps looked like holding (so I can see how the call was made) but Watkins was stumbling almost as soon as he came off the line and was basically falling into JC - is JC expected to help him stay upright and then give him a pat on the ass and a nice release upfield?

Sideline PI definitely ticky tack - the last couple of seasons this has been consistently referred to as 'hand fighting' and seems to be allowed. Watkins wasn't even looking for a flag on this one and the ball was massively overthrown.

Generally speaking, when the refs were given the chance to take their time and review things (Hogan catch/ Edelman muff) they did a very solid job. Basically, the game moves way too fast for the old dudes in stripes - time to make a change.

Wheelman said:

I agree with fnodcircle. That DPI in the endzone was a bad call. Kelce had to turn around since Mahomes threw it behind Kelce.

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I disagree Jackson makes contact stopping Kelce getting back to the ball. It was PI. Of course the refs ignored the Kelce push off to get that open as I said in another thread. No way it’s PI if Kelce doesn’t push him away to separate.

That is the same push off gronk was called for last season a bunch.

Overall Jackson did well especially for a Rookie UDFA.