Be honest: Brady’s legacy and another SB loss

Any honest, experienced NFL player will tell you how incredibly hard is to get to the playoffs. Let alone do it consistently.
Add to that, going to, and winning a lot of Super Bowls.

TB is the Greatest. End of story.

fightingirish595 said:

Well winning isn’t the only way to judge somebody in a team sport.

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Of course not, but that is the criterion we are discussing.

AndyJohnson said:

Of course not, but that is the criterion we are discussing.

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So Tom Brady was only worse at winning in those years, not a worse overall player

fightingirish595 said:

So Tom Brady was only worse at winning in those years, not a worse overall player

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This is moronic.
We are talking about the aspect of winning in judging a qb.

IN THAT RESPECT a qb who loses his first playoff game compares unfavorably to one who wins 2 then loses in the Sb.

A QBs who wins 8 conference championships and 5 SBs is better in that respect that one who wins 4 conf championships and can’t get that far the other 4 times and wins 4 sbs. In fact he is better than one who wins 5 conf championships and fails to get there 3 other times but wins all 5 sbs.

A loss after advancing further is not worse than a loss prior to advancing that far.

It’s really simple.

AndyJohnson said:

This is moronic.
We are talking about the aspect of winning in judging a qb.

IN THAT RESPECT a qb who loses his first playoff game compares unfavorably to one who wins 2 then loses in the Sb.

A QBs who wins 8 conference championships and 5 SBs is better in that respect that one who wins 4 conf championships and can’t get that far the other 4 times and wins 4 sbs. In fact he is better than one who wins 5 conf championships and fails to get there 3 other times but wins all 5 sbs.

A loss after advancing further is not worse than a loss prior to advancing that far.

It’s really simple.

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All I’m asking is if for example, joe Flacco was a better player in 2012 than Tom brady, or Ben roethlisberger In 2005

Not gonna read the entire thread so not sure if this has been said already but.....Nope!!!!

And anyone that says it’s better to be 4-0 than 6-3 or 5-4 in Super Bowls must be great friends with Max Kellerman. Stupidest argument ever for multiple reasons.

fightingirish595 said:

All I’m asking is if for example, joe Flacco was a better player in 2012 than Tom brady, or Ben roethlisberger In 2005

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As I said that is a stupid question and is not pertinent to the discussion.

AndyJohnson said:

It’s just being worse than the guy who got there regardless of whether he wins or loses.

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AndyJohnson said:

As I said that is a stupid question and is not pertinent to the discussion.

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It’s not stupid because of that first quote. I was Looking for clarification on that

dannydyn said:

The 2 losses to the giants were more on the defense unable to contain Eli and his receivers in the last moments of the game, than on Brady.

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But the last play in SB46 was the similar penalty that went uncalled as that in SB52

AndyJohnson said:

This is moronic.
We are talking about the aspect of winning in judging a qb.

IN THAT RESPECT a qb who loses his first playoff game compares unfavorably to one who wins 2 then loses in the Sb.

A QBs who wins 8 conference championships and 5 SBs is better in that respect that one who wins 4 conf championships and can’t get that far the other 4 times and wins 4 sbs. In fact he is better than one who wins 5 conf championships and fails to get there 3 other times but wins all 5 sbs.

A loss after advancing further is not worse than a loss prior to advancing that far.

It’s really simple.

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The other part of it for me is the only way Brady could please this argument is by going 8-0 in super bowls, and winning 8 super bowls in 16 years as a healthy starter. Its an absurd thing to hold against him.

fightingirish595 said:

It’s not stupid because of that first quote. I was Looking for clarification on that

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And I answered that multiple times.
You just want to play games. Not interested.

These guys like Kellerman and Rob Parker are paid to generate controversy. Getting mad at them is like getting mad at Andre the Giant for being so mean to Hulk Hogan.

Brady can win the next three SB's and they will still find some way to diminish him because that is their job. There will always be someone fighting for the Pats haters in the media, otherwise no one (including us) would pay attention.

AndyJohnson said:

And I answered that multiple times.
You just want to play games. Not interested.

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I don’t want to play games

Cemented, Done Deal! Anything now is just gravy.

Quest4SixHomie said:

Oh God, please. LeBron constantly choked and ALWAYS switched teams whenever there was a legit opponent to challenge Lebron's all-star team.

Never compare Brady to LeBron.

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My point is that LeBron is considered one of the greats despite losing in the Finals.

Brady is the football GOAT. He's no Championship dominant Bill Russell, but he's the next best thing.

dannydyn said:

The 2 losses to the giants were more on the defense unable to contain Eli and his receivers in the last moments of the game, than on Brady.

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Disagree. The greatest offense in NFL history scored two TD's in the SB. That's flat out not acceptable. Sure, Brady hit Moss with 2:30 left to go ahead by four. But that was one of McD's worst ever game in terms of play calling. The team would not run Maroney. They kept trying to go for the home run pass. It was beyond logic. The defense had manning sacked for a huge loss on 3rd down. Yet the officials missed blatant holding on the Giants OL. That led to a once in a lifetime miracle catch. The game was virtually over after the Tyree catch. Everyone knows it.

SB 46 has a terrible D going in. They held the giants to 14 points until there was a few minutes left in the game. They did their job. The offense went nearly the entire 2nd half without scoring a TD.

Brandon Manning said:

Disagree. The greatest offense in NFL history scored two TD's in the SB. That's flat out not acceptable. Sure, Brady hit Moss with 2:30 left to go ahead by four. But that was one of McD's worst ever game in terms of play calling. The team would not run Maroney. They kept trying to go for the home run pass. It was beyond logic. The defense had manning sacked for a huge loss on 3rd down. Yet the officials missed blatant holding on the Giants OL. That led to a once in a lifetime miracle catch. The game was virtually over after the Tyree catch. Everyone knows it.

SB 46 has a terrible D going in. They held the giants to 14 points until there was a few minutes left in the game. They did their job. The offense went nearly the entire 2nd half without scoring a TD.

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You seem to forget what kind of defense the giants had in SB42!

SB46 would have been a win had Welker caught that ****ing ball!