Tom Brady reaffirms plan to play beyond 2019

RobertWeathers · Dec 28, 2018

upstater1 said:
Some years Belichick has been a genius GM and coach. But there is no doubt in my mind that his decisions (starting in the hours before the Super Bowl, to getting rid of Cooks and Amendola without adequately replacing them) have been THE major causes of our doom/gloom-y season. Yes, Gronk has lost a step, and Edelman is experiencing some unusual dropsies coming off an ACL, but this team has lost so many weapons that it had when it beat Atlanta. The WR position definitely needs help--especially as Gronk/Julian's days are numbered here as well.

By the way--those of you watching QB play across the league, I'm sure the performances of young guys like Mahomes are making your mouths water. BUT, remember, people were singing the praises of Matt Ryan, Mariota, Wentz, Carr in Oakland, Rodgers, Stafford, just in the last couple of years, and now these guys have fallen off. Even Jameis Winston was being hyped. Heck, people are slagging Goff lately. Consistency is hard to come by it seems. Case Keenum and Kevin Cousins just signed big contracts for heaven's sake. Dak Prescott is a shell of his rookie self. All around the league you see flavors of the month falling on hard times, while only Brady, Russell Wilson, Brees, Rivers and Ben R. (to a degree) have had any consistency. Rodgers should be in this class too but he is turning into an enigma. Point is, I've just mentioned a bunch of QBs considered stellar at one point in the last 3 years, but now most of them are questions. Heck, Eli Manning and Flacco have gone the way of the dodo bird.

Over a 16 game season Jules would have 100 catches for 1100 yds with the same drop % as other seasons. Jules is not the problem.

The season has been bumpy but how is it gloom and doom? They are getting a 1st Rd bye and a home playoff game?

signbabybrady · Dec 28, 2018

KontradictioN said:
I responded to you in the other thread. Maybe you should quit being a little ***** and actually, you know, respond there? Or I could ask you here - the 1992-1993 Pats... you were on the Super Bowl bandwagon preseason or nah? If not, and I would wager that’s the case, do you think you “quit on the team?”

You totally missed the point of why 92 was brought up and I find it hilarious that you are running with your logic the way you are and don't see how hilarious it is that you compare quitting on the 92 team the same as having quit now.

Kontradiction · Dec 28, 2018

signbabybrady said:
You totally missed the point of why 92 was brought up and I find it hilarious that you are running with your logic the way you are and don't see how hilarious it is that you compare quitting on the 92 team the same as having quit now.

I really didn't..... since I was the one that brought it up. If you didn't like the team's Super Bowl chances back then, you were, by your definition, "quitting on the team" just like both of us "quit on the team" in that thread by questioning their Super Bowl chances to various degrees. The '92 comparison, which once again I brought up, was just one to show you that your silly definition (borne out of being butthurt about the fact that I called the majority of homers front runners and bandwagon fans) doesn't hold water. Hell, I could even use '01 as an example since I'm relatively certain that you weren't calling that a Super Bowl team before the season. You "quit" on that team too, didn't you? I also went with numerous examples of fans of other NFL teams, the majority of which would tell you prior to the season or in-season that they don't like their Super Bowl chances. Bills fans, for example. I guess they "quit on their team" too and selling out the Ralph is just an exercise in futility?

Just stop. You got hammered there, you're getting hammered here, and you're only serving to prove my original point about homers with each and every subsequent post you make that's more of an attempt at an attack on me than my overall point. But if you must continue to embarrass yourself, I would suggest pulling the Gordon thread back up and responding to my last post toward you instead of continuing to carry this one off the train tracks. Hell, @1960Pats can join you, too. I guess he "forgot" about this again.

signbabybrady · Dec 28, 2018

KontradictioN said:
I really didn't..... since I was the one that brought it up. If you didn't like the team's Super Bowl chances back then, you were, by your definition, "quitting on the team" just like both of us "quit on the team" in that thread by questioning their Super Bowl chances to various degrees. The '92 comparison, which once again I brought up, was just one to show you that your silly definition (borne out of being butthurt about the fact that I called the majority of homers front runners and bandwagon fans) doesn't hold water. Hell, I could even use '01 as an example since I'm relatively certain that you weren't calling that a Super Bowl team before the season. You "quit" on that team too, didn't you? I also went with numerous examples of fans of other NFL teams, the majority of which would tell you prior to the season or in-season that they don't like their Super Bowl chances. Bills fans, for example. I guess they "quit on their team" too and selling out the Ralph is just an exercise in futility?

Just stop. You got hammered there, you're getting hammered here, and you're only serving to prove my original point about homers with each and every subsequent post you make that's more of an attempt at an attack on me than my overall point. But if you must continue to embarrass yourself, I would suggest pulling the Gordon thread back up and responding to my last post toward you instead of continuing to carry this one off the train tracks. Hell, @1960Pats can join you, too. I guess he "forgot" about this again.

You write lots of words and like to say that you own people but it doesn't change the fact you think this team has the same chance as the 92 team. I didn't answer your last post because it seemed like a good spot to let it die. But then I see you spewing your garbage here too.

Kontradiction · Dec 28, 2018

signbabybrady said:
You write lots of words and like to say that you own people but it doesn't change the fact you think this team has the same chance as the 92 team.

I didn't say that. That would be a straw man created by you. I said I didn't and don't like either team's chances. The '92 team, teams like the Bills, the Browns, and now the '01 team were just examples to show you that your definition badly needed some work. In this instance, the 2018 team gets more of a chance, obviously, because they're in the postseason. Doesn't mean I think they're going to win it.

With... each... subsequent... response, you prove my original point. You're totally incapable of having an honest conversation about the team's issues without losing your head. There's only one reason why that could possibly be.

signbabybrady · Dec 28, 2018

KontradictioN said:
I didn't say that. That would be a straw man created by you. I said I didn't and don't like either team's chances. The '92 team, teams like the Bills, the Browns, and now the '01 team were just examples to show you that your definition badly needed some work. In this instance, the 2018 team gets more of a chance, obviously, because they're in the postseason. Doesn't mean I think they're going to win it.

With... each... subsequent... response, you prove my original point. You're totally incapable of having an honest conversation about the team's issues without losing your head. There's only one reason why that could possibly be.

No straw man just how facts work.
You said the season is over. That means you think there is %0 chance.

upstater1 · Dec 28, 2018

primetime said:
Ryan's having a tremendous season and has far outplayed Brady this year, so his inclusion is a bit odd. Rodgers' struggles are overhyped, just like Brady's, because of the heights he was at previously and similarly are partly the reault of injury.

That said, we've grown so accustomed to historically good quarterback play over the last decade-plus that merely top-10 QB play strikes us as terrible. You're right that finding a Mahomes is rare. You're more likely to end up in QB mediocrity death spiral when you start fishing for QBs. Even if Brady's never again going to be MVP, there's no reason to rush him out while he's still a top-10 QB.

Agree with almost all of what you wrote.

But, I'm not specifically talking about Ryan this year, but about his inconsistency over a 3 or 4 year period. Indeed over his career. He is hot and cold. As for Rodgers being an enigma, he's playing great--but Brady with lesser talent has never experienced the kind of losing seasons these 2 QBs are going through.

I look at this Patriots team as talent bereft. It's the coaching and QB who are keeping them afloat.

They are good in the defensive backfield--and that's about it. They don't need to work on their OL or RBs either, even if I have qualms about Trent Brown.

But they need to overhaul the LBs, the DL, the TEs and WRs. Not to mention a young QB.

Yeesh--this will be very difficult work for them.

gitgronked82 · Dec 28, 2018

upstater1 said:
Some years Belichick has been a genius GM and coach. But there is no doubt in my mind that his decisions (starting in the hours before the Super Bowl, to getting rid of Cooks and Amendola without adequately replacing them) have been THE major causes of our doom/gloom-y season. Yes, Gronk has lost a step, and Edelman is experiencing some unusual dropsies coming off an ACL, but this team has lost so many weapons that it had when it beat Atlanta. The WR position definitely needs help--especially as Gronk/Julian's days are numbered here as well.

By the way--those of you watching QB play across the league, I'm sure the performances of young guys like Mahomes are making your mouths water. BUT, remember, people were singing the praises of Matt Ryan, Mariota, Wentz, Carr in Oakland, Rodgers, Stafford, just in the last couple of years, and now these guys have fallen off. Even Jameis Winston was being hyped. Heck, people are slagging Goff lately. Consistency is hard to come by it seems. Case Keenum and Kevin Cousins just signed big contracts for heaven's sake. Dak Prescott is a shell of his rookie self. All around the league you see flavors of the month falling on hard times, while only Brady, Russell Wilson, Brees, Rivers and Ben R. (to a degree) have had any consistency. Rodgers should be in this class too but he is turning into an enigma. Point is, I've just mentioned a bunch of QBs considered stellar at one point in the last 3 years, but now most of them are questions. Heck, Eli Manning and Flacco have gone the way of the dodo bird.

I like this post, but “Kevin Cousins” definitely made me laugh

Kontradiction · Dec 28, 2018

signbabybrady said:
No straw man just how facts work.
You said the season is over. That means you think there is %0 chance.

Oh for God's sake. For the '92 team, a successful season was finishing above .500. For the 2018 team, a successful season means winning the Super Bowl. This team has the GOAT QB and the GOAT HC. That team did not. That means that one team doesn't have as much of a realistic chance as the other because one team is in the dance and the other team was not. Now, if you're trying to ask me whether or not I, personally, think that the results of the season will be the same - that neither team will have hoisted the Lombardi when it's all said and done - then yes, I don't think the 2018 squad has enough to do it even in a wide open AFC. That doesn't mean that they don't have a mathematical chance. It just means they have personnel issues that typically get exploited at some point in the postseason. If I were to make a bet, I would bet heavily on said issues getting exploited. Therefore, since I have that opinion, the season is, effectively, over.

Hell, you yourself didn't even give them a 100% chance. You added in the qualifier of *maybe* they come a game or two short. I've asked multiple times now and have never gotten a straight answer, so I'll ask again: Why did you feel the need to add that qualifier?

Gronkowski123 · Dec 28, 2018

Someone else needs to pick the players. Last couple of drafts have sucked.

signbabybrady · Dec 28, 2018

KontradictioN said:
Oh for God's sake. For the '92 team, a successful season was finishing above .500. For the 2018 team, a successful season means winning the Super Bowl. This team has the GOAT QB and the GOAT HC. That team did not. That means that one team doesn't have as much of a realistic chance as the other because one team is in the dance and the other team was not. Now, if you're trying to ask me whether or not I, personally, think that the results of the season will be the same - that neither team will have hoisted the Lombardi when it's all said and done - then yes, I don't think the 2018 squad has enough to do it even in a wide open AFC. That doesn't mean that they don't have a mathematical chance. It just means they have personnel issues that typically get exploited at some point in the postseason. If I were to make a bet, I would bet heavily on said issues getting exploited. Therefore, since I have that opinion, the season is, effectively, over.

Hell, you yourself didn't even give them a 100% chance. You added in the qualifier of *maybe* they come a game or two short. I've asked multiple times now and have never gotten a straight answer, so I'll ask again: Why did you feel the need to add that qualifier?

Blah blah blah. Do you think the season is over or not?
I never added any qualifier because I never said %100 but you've made it perfectly clear you give them %0.

RobertWeathers · Dec 28, 2018

Gronkowski123 said:
Someone else needs to pick the players. Last couple of drafts have sucked.

Michel, Jackson and Bentley have sucked.

You are hanging out with Tennisballhead too much.

SHOWTIME15 · Dec 28, 2018

robertweathers said:
Michel, Jackson and Bentley have sucked.

You are hanging out with Tennisballhead too much.

The drafts from 2014 to 2017 leave a lot to be desired...2018 looks promising.

RobertWeathers · Dec 28, 2018

TommyBrady12 said:
The drafts from 2014 to 2017 leave a lot to be desired...2018 looks promising.

Drafts take time to evaluate and the evaluation can be modified depending on which point in time you select.

If you apply Ron Wolff's 2 starters/2 reserves rule is a successful draft.

2018- Starters: Sony, Jackson, Bentley. Wynn TBD
2017- Starters: Wise in the 4th round. #1 was Cooks which got the team Wynn and cap space. They only had 4 picks total.
2016- Starters: Thuney and Roberts, Reserves: Brissett and Karras. VV and Mitchell contributed well but didn't last.
2015- Starters: Brown, Flowers, Mason. Reserves: Cardona, Richards -good STers
2014- Starters: Jimmy, White, Stork , Malcolm (didn't last but started) Reserves: Fleming

To say a lot was to be desired isn't accurate.

Based on where they pick, they are at a disadvantage in getting blue chip talent.

Deus Irae · Dec 28, 2018

signbabybrady said:
Blah blah blah. Do you think the season is over or not?
I never added any qualifier because I never said %100 but you've made it perfectly clear you give them %0.

You're getting the ever loving **** kicked out of you. Again

TB_Helmet · Dec 28, 2018

robertweathers said:
Drafts take time to evaluate and the evaluation can be modified depending on which point in time you select.

If you apply Ron Wolff's 2 starters/2 reserves rule is a successful draft.

2018- Starters: Sony, Jackson, Bentley. Wynn TBD
2017- Starters: Wise in the 4th round. #1 was Cooks which got the team Wynn and cap space. They only had 4 picks total.
2016- Starters: Thuney and Roberts, Reserves: Brissett and Karras. VV and Mitchell contributed well but didn't last.
2015- Starters: Brown, Flowers, Mason. Reserves: Cardona, Richards -good STers
2014- Starters: Jimmy, White, Stork , Malcolm (didn't last but started) Reserves: Fleming

To say a lot was to be desired isn't accurate.

Based on where they pick, they are at a disadvantage in getting blue chip talent.

I hadn’t heard of the 2 starters 2 reserves rule of thumb but it’s a good one. Could be amended to “1 top 10 starter 1 average starter” maybe?

Also would be interesting to see how many teams achieve the 2/2 rule each year.

Kontradiction · Dec 28, 2018

Deus Irae said:
You're getting the ever loving **** kicked out of you. Again

Yeah, I'm not bothering anymore. Complete waste of time. For the record, I hope I'm wrong on this and end up looking like an idiot.

PatsFan92 · Dec 28, 2018

KontradictioN said:
Yeah, I'm not bothering anymore. Complete waste of time. For the record, I hope I'm wrong on this and end up looking like an idiot.

You will be wrong. Pats over Saints in SB53.

SHOWTIME15 · Dec 28, 2018

robertweathers said:
Drafts take time to evaluate and the evaluation can be modified depending on which point in time you select.

If you apply Ron Wolff's 2 starters/2 reserves rule is a successful draft.

2018- Starters: Sony, Jackson, Bentley. Wynn TBD
2017- Starters: Wise in the 4th round. #1 was Cooks which got the team Wynn and cap space. They only had 4 picks total.
2016- Starters: Thuney and Roberts, Reserves: Brissett and Karras. VV and Mitchell contributed well but didn't last.
2015- Starters: Brown, Flowers, Mason. Reserves: Cardona, Richards -good STers
2014- Starters: Jimmy, White, Stork , Malcolm (didn't last but started) Reserves: Fleming

To say a lot was to be desired isn't accurate.

Based on where they pick, they are at a disadvantage in getting blue chip talent.

some of our starters couldn’t crack some NFL teams. what about if you modify Wolf’s criteria to 2 quality starters?

RobertWeathers · Dec 28, 2018

TB_Helmet said:
I hadn’t heard of the 2 starters 2 reserves rule of thumb but it’s a good one. Could be amended to “1 top 10 starter 1 average starter” maybe?

Also would be interesting to see how many teams achieve the 2/2 rule each year.

I don't know if it's right or wrong. I heard Wolf say that during an interview. It made sense to me. He certainly has the street cred (60s-early/mid 80s Raiders, late 70s Bucs, 90s Packers) to give it weight.

If you look at the Pats drafts from 2000-2018. Hes ahead of the game.

I looked at jerkstore Bill Polian's drafts when he was at BUF, CAR and Indy and he was also ahead of the game.

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