Curran: Brady has "got a lot of peers this year"

PatsGirl2011 · Dec 17, 2018

robertweathers said:
The NEP do not have a mediocre roster on offense.

They dont but the defense has not been great for several years. It's basically Brady trying to mask the defensive deficiencies and he has to be great all the time for them to win.

RobertWeathers · Dec 17, 2018

PatsGirl2011 said:
They dont but the defense has not been great for several years. It's basically Brady trying to mask the defensive deficiencies and he has to be great all the time for them to win.

They finished #1 in defense two years ago and top 5 in points allowed last year.

PatsGirl2011 · Dec 17, 2018

robertweathers said:
They finished #1 in defense two years ago and top 5 in points allowed last year.

They were not a great defense. Good in spurts...

RobertWeathers · Dec 17, 2018

PatsGirl2011 said:
They were not a great defense. Good in spurts...

There is no such thing as a great defense anymore.

holyredeemer · Dec 17, 2018

reflexblue said:
There was an article (maybe onn this site) that went into the decline of QB's it used Favre and possibly Payaton manning. The crux of the piece was that the decline of qbs isn't physical at first, its cognitive, its a decline in the ability to make quick decsions. As Farve got older it took longer to decide who to throw to and hesitating, just a fraction of a second could throw a timing play off, that could explain some of his throws that are slightly off. Another factor could be that TB well aware that at his age taking a big hit could end his career, therefore rushes his throws.

I’m not a professional athlete. Hell, I probably can’t even be described as a legit arm chair quarterback. So, I feel dirty sometimes for speaking my mind of on some of these guys. Like, WTF do I know? Well, I’ll tell you what I DO know. Brady’s mechanics have been **** most of the year. Throwing off the back foot, raising his elbow too high when stepping up, too many plays where he doesn’t follow through with the torque from his hips. He had a few throws last night where he really had to zip it 15-20 yards downfield and looked great. Other times, if he got moved off his spot, he really had a tough time getting back into form.

Ring 6 · Dec 17, 2018

luuked said:
Where did I say that emotional displays would win games ? I am just saying that CPs short outburst after almost converting stood out to me because of its contrast.

But why does that matter?
You imply acting emotionally is a plus.

Adam Seward · Dec 17, 2018

A lot of strange throws this season. During the second half of one game, he locked into Gordon hard like the old Moss days. He does not look like his cool and calm former self. I get worried when there is pressure around him, until I see the ball land. The feeling used to be pure confidence when the ball left his hand, this season that is not true.

Heavily in retrospect, not resigning DA80 hurt us big time. Matched with JE11, we presented a short space nightmare to defend against. It really took a lot of focus and opened other stuff up or was the exploit to execute.

Our read the defense and exploit what they aren’t defending isn’t as effective with the mix of talent we have. The way I perceive it, we have less short space quickness than we need, or had when we were very successful. Berrios fits a mold but time will tell if he fills the need. Edelman seems to be as up to speed as you could expect him to be after injury, although his deterioration is around the corner.

Gronk is either playing very injured or completely cooked. I can’t say which but if he isn’t injured that cliff came QUICK.

Hogan is a great threat deep if the defense is looking to stop your short yardage scheme, a useful role player who has seen a reduced role this season for clear reasons.

Dorsett was a solid contributor early on who has been silent since week 4. Injury, loss of faith or dynamic shift of the offense with the inclusions of Gordon and Edelman, who knows. Another good in space guy but not a short space player.

Gordon, if he sticks around, could be all sorts of a problem for other teams. I won’t hold my breath until it happens but he could be the guy to help Tom into the golden hour. Not the short space guy, but a hugely exploitable piece if the sport space gets focused on.

aluminum seats · Dec 17, 2018

AndyJohnson said:
But why does that matter?
You imply acting emotionally is a plus.

Well, Belichick thinks it's a good idea, for starters.

"You should be excited when you make a play," Belichick said in a moment captured for the"A Football Life" documentary. "Hell, look at all the work you put into it, all the time you spent in practice. You should be excited about it, and your teammates should be excited, too."

FCB02062 · Dec 17, 2018

Tom Brady has engineered SEVEN touchdowns in the second half on the road.....SEVEN!!!!! SAD!

JarOfMayo51 · Dec 17, 2018

aluminum seats said:
Like most things, it’s a combination of elements. Some good receivers gone, Gronk decline (permanent or not), etc.

And yeah, maybe part of it is Brady deciding not to be the same off-season guy he was the rest of his career...we had people mocking the idea that Brady skipping OTAs could possibly mean anything. Maybe it didn’t. Or maybe his legendary commitment and focus that we blew him for for 20 years actually did matter.

Brady has missed OTA's before.. what is happening on the field right now in week 15 has absolutely nothing to do with OTAs back in May

cmasspatsfan · Dec 18, 2018

Adam Seward said:
A lot of strange throws this season. During the second half of one game, he locked into Gordon hard like the old Moss days. He does not look like his cool and calm former self. I get worried when there is pressure around him, until I see the ball land. The feeling used to be pure confidence when the ball left his hand, this season that is not true.

Heavily in retrospect, not resigning DA80 hurt us big time. Matched with JE11, we presented a short space nightmare to defend against. It really took a lot of focus and opened other stuff up or was the exploit to execute.

Our read the defense and exploit what they aren’t defending isn’t as effective with the mix of talent we have. The way I perceive it, we have less short space quickness than we need, or had when we were very successful. Berrios fits a mold but time will tell if he fills the need. Edelman seems to be as up to speed as you could expect him to be after injury, although his deterioration is around the corner.

Gronk is either playing very injured or completely cooked. I can’t say which but if he isn’t injured that cliff came QUICK.

Hogan is a great threat deep if the defense is looking to stop your short yardage scheme, a useful role player who has seen a reduced role this season for clear reasons.

Dorsett was a solid contributor early on who has been silent since week 4. Injury, loss of faith or dynamic shift of the offense with the inclusions of Gordon and Edelman, who knows. Another good in space guy but not a short space player.

Gordon, if he sticks around, could be all sorts of a problem for other teams. I won’t hold my breath until it happens but he could be the guy to help Tom into the golden hour. Not the short space guy, but a hugely exploitable piece if the sport space gets focused on.

Almost looks like he has an injury.

Soliel · Dec 18, 2018

cmasspatsfan said:
Almost looks like he has an injury.

I noticed that way he acts. He’s playing hurt and over nursing the thing maybe

supafly · Dec 18, 2018

holyredeemer said:
I’m not a professional athlete. Hell, I probably can’t even be described as a legit arm chair quarterback. So, I feel dirty sometimes for speaking my mind of on some of these guys. Like, WTF do I know? Well, I’ll tell you what I DO know. Brady’s mechanics have been **** most of the year. Throwing off the back foot, raising his elbow too high when stepping up, too many plays where he doesn’t follow through with the torque from his hips. He had a few throws last night where he really had to zip it 15-20 yards downfield and looked great. Other times, if he got moved off his spot, he really had a tough time getting back into form.

Agreed. I think this is where the “how badly is he injured” question starts to pop up. Keeping that in mind, it doesn’t seem as though they’re changing much of the gameplans up to try and mask his deficiencies, and that leads me to believe that while it may be nagging, the team still thinks that he’s in good enough shape to get everything done properly.

We’ve seen plenty of stretches where they’ve been able to run the ball and utilize the halfback passes and screen game, and yet they don’t seem to be leaning on that any more than usual to try and give him a break. If anything it’s less, which is obviously gameplan specific. We’ll see if anything changes moving forward because I think it looks fairly obvious to a lot of people, and that the Steelers game may put the issue on full display. Damn, it would’ve been nice to have that bye in a couple of weeks. It may be even more important this year than it normally is.

luuked · Dec 18, 2018

AndyJohnson said:
But why does that matter?
You imply acting emotionally is a plus.

Because we are human beings and not robots.

That burst of adrenaline when celebrating something (a sack, a PBU or a hard fought first down) sincerely -- and not in the fake way that is common -- can give you and your team a boost and sense of confidence. Also given all the work players and coaches put into game prep each week it can be very cathartic and reduce tension.

Will it win you the game by itself ? Not really. But it can definitely provide a boost for 1-2 plays which as we all know might be the difference in the end.

Caretaker · Dec 18, 2018

I don't like when press, social media, former players and court of public opinion acknowledge TB12 as GOAT.

When he played in 2014 playoffs there was none of that, comparisons to Montana were largely laughed at, and he played with fire. Brady against Baltimore, Indianapolis, Seattle; the stretch between W1-W10 in 2015 (win @giants), or that short-lived revival of Boston TE Party (Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh in 2016)... that guy was methodical, precise, scary AF.

This year we look like 8-8 or 9-7 team, we're not blowing out any team anymore, and I don't even remember the last solid game on both sides of the ball... maybe vs IND. But there is still hope and I try switching from "enjoy Pats in the Super Bowl" to "enjoy your QB still playing at decent level".

Ring 6 · Dec 18, 2018

luuked said:
Because we are human beings and not robots.

That burst of adrenaline when celebrating something (a sack, a PBU or a hard fought first down) sincerely -- and not in the fake way that is common -- can give you and your team a boost and sense of confidence. Also given all the work players and coaches put into game prep each week it can be very cathartic and reduce tension.

Will it will you the game by itself ? Not really. But it can definitely provide a boost for 1-2 plays which as we all know might be the difference in the end.

Ok thanks for explaining your point. I don’t really agree but I get where you are coming from.

Kontradiction · Dec 18, 2018

As if it's not enough that Gronk's injuries may be catching up to him, he has to deal with this too. That's PI. Without it, Gronk is able to possibly make a play on the ball.

aluminum seats · Dec 18, 2018

JarOfMayo51 said:
Brady has missed OTA's before.. what is happening on the field right now in week 15 has absolutely nothing to do with OTAs back in May

OK. Maybe. If so people here and elsewhere sure wasted a lot of time praising Brady for his maniacal focus over the years, not missing work outs, getting the best parking space for being the top practice guy, etc. I don’t know. I do know that sometimes there are butterfly effects, that sometimes just a couple of grains of sand in the gears can make complex machinery not work the way it should.

But you’re saying categorically that skipping workouts absolutely positively has nothing to do with anything. OK.

Kontradiction · Dec 19, 2018

aluminum seats said:
OK. Maybe. If so people here and elsewhere sure wasted a lot of time praising Brady for his maniacal focus over the years, not missing work outs, getting the best parking space for being the top practice guy, etc. I don’t know. I do know that sometimes there are butterfly effects, that sometimes just a couple of grains of sand in the gears can make complex machinery not work the way it should.

But you’re saying categorically that skipping workouts absolutely positively has nothing to do with anything. OK.

It doesn't have anything to do with what we're seeing right now. The OL struggling in pass-pro and Edelman and Gronk being on the back nine of their careers has far more to do with it. Otherwise, how are you explaining Brady's performances in October?

aluminum seats · Dec 19, 2018

KontradictioN said:
It doesn't have anything to do with what we're seeing right now. The OL struggling in pass-pro and Edelman and Gronk being on the back nine of their careers has far more to do with it. Otherwise, how are you explaining Brady's performances in October?

It’s a team effort for sure. (Slightly OT, I think Edelman’s been more or less fine.)

But Brady has contributed to the suck too. Not saying why, am saying it seems funny to praise a guy to the heavens for his work ethic for 20 years, and then say a change in that approach “absolutely” isn’t related to shaky play the same year. But the guy’s older too. Who knows.

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