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Last December it wasn't so much Cutler it was Brady playing his worst game of the year by far. Wasn't Miami also the place where Brady threw a game losing INT while he was almost on the ground being sacked?

Weird things happen there but the Dolphins are a lousy team and I expect a Patriots win and clinch this Sunday.

That was the first game in which Brady was playing with his "Achilles issue". He was also short a couple receivers while trying to use Hogan in his first game back after his shoulder separation (and Hogan's ONLY game until the post season, IIRC).

And that Miami run-D was pretty good. Not so much this year.
 
The Pats record against Miami in previous seasons really has little or no bearing on this season. The 2018 'Fins are a different team. The 2018 Pats are a different team.

Yes these are different teams but I am not sure that is a sound argument. Since it is always different teams each year, can't it be argued there is a losing trend in Miami due to issues other than the personnel? If the teams were the same for the 5 years and we lost 4 times in Miami, wouldn't we look at the team's makeup? Are you arguing that each event is independent and there are no common issues affecting the game? That does not seem plausible as there are common outside influences. With the same personnel variables, in Buffalo the NEP are dominant and in Miami the NEP are not dominant. So can't there be other variables outside of team makeup influencing the outcome? Those who can not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
 
Last December it wasn't so much Cutler it was Brady playing his worst game of the year by far. Wasn't Miami also the place where Brady threw a game losing INT while he was almost on the ground being sacked?

Weird things happen there but the Dolphins are a lousy team and I expect a Patriots win and clinch this Sunday.

Yeah, but Cutler played his best game ever against the Pats that year. The Pats don't play well in Miami. They just don't. Same with Denver. Hoping they win, but expecting a tight game. I am hoping last years loss still stings and they come out and reverse it.
 
Bill hasn't seemed in one of his nicer moods this week...that's bad news heading into an already extremely uncomfortable environment.
 
Yeah, but Cutler played his best game ever against the Pats that year. The Pats don't play well in Miami. They just don't. Same with Denver. Hoping they win, but expecting a tight game. I am hoping last years loss still stings and they come out and reverse it.

Every bit of logic tells me you're wrong.

But you're not - sports are weird that way.
 
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Yes these are different teams but I am not sure that is a sound argument. Since it is always different teams each year, can't it be argued there is a losing trend in Miami due to issues other than the personnel? If the teams were the same for the 5 years and we lost 4 times in Miami, wouldn't we look at the team's makeup? Are you arguing that each event is independent and there are no common issues affecting the game? That does not seem plausible as there are common outside influences. With the same personnel variables, in Buffalo the NEP are dominant and in Miami the NEP are not dominant. So can't there be other variables outside of team makeup influencing the outcome? Those who can not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Sure. "Outside" (non-football) factors can have an influence on the game - noise (Seattle, KC), elevation (Denver), temperature differences, travel time. But there are so many in-game, football-related variables that can have a much bigger influence (personnel health for both teams being a huge one), that believing that the outside factor is the determining factor in a series of losses just because it's an easily identifiable common factor, simply isn't logical. It certainly isn't truly a testable hypothesis because there's no way to isolate it as a variable.

Plus, there's one other common factor to the Pats' December and January losses in Miami, other than location. It's always the second time the two teams have met that season, which actually is a football-related factor. It makes just as much sense (perhaps more sense) to hypothesize that the Pats lose in their second meetings with Miami.

So, yeah, you really do need to evaluate each game as an independent event, and each within its own context and sets of football-related circumstances.

WRT to your example with the Bills, the common factor there is also football-related: they always seem to suck at football. :)
 
Every bit of logic tells me you're wrong.

But you're not - sports are weird that way.

I know, that is what is crazy. I still to this day, picture Tatupu's fumble in Denver and Eason getting sacked in 86.

But you are right. The Dolfools stink. They gave up over 450 yards of offense to the Bills. To the BILLS!
 
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The Pats don't play well in Miami. They just don't. Same with Denver.

2016 (and a few other seasons) disagree about Miami. Blew them out by 3 TD in '16. In their last 8 games in Miami they are 4-4

As for Denver Pats are 2-0 in their last 2 games in Denver.
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Sorry, but I am still not buying all the confidence in this thread.

I fully expect an ugly game and likely a loss on Sunday.

I can't explain it one bit...it's just..MIAMI!
 
Xavien Howard out for the Dolpins. Not sure how good he is though
 
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