Kareem the Hunt(er)

KontradictioN said:

You be a superior parent. My generation grew up with this version of the NFL and somehow most of us made it out okay. The ones that didn’t either had **** or nonexistent parenting or were bad seeds to begin with. But as a parent you take responsibility for how your child grows up. You don’t pass the blame to an organization just because it employs less than perfect individuals.

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I agree with you, but when it's there constantly, it's hard not to be influenced by it sub consciously. Eventually if it's shoved down your throat constantly, you will change slowly.

KontradictioN said:

This must be making your average liberal’s head explode.

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Nah, not really, it's pretty simple. She's a crap person if she did indeed drop the n bomb on him, and whether she did or not he's an enormous scumbag who doesn't deserve to play in the NFL given that his response was to beat her. They're both trash (if the claims about what she said are true), and neither's actions excuse the other.

His response is so far from proportionate to even the worst possible case of what she could have said that what she said doesn't move the needle for him. If he'd hastily shoved past her or pushed her out of the way and that was the extent of it, sure, maybe I could get on board with what she allegedly said being a real factor in assessing blame, since while it would be a disproportionate response it's at least a minimal physical response. But he went so nuclear here that I don't see how it could even matter what she said.

Patsgofor4 said:

Great take, if you want to ignore logic, precedent and reality.

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Thank you for your asinine comment. I'll use it as the measuring stick for all others in this thread.

douchebag Irae is posting again. Time to hit the ejecto seat!

KontradictioN said:

She could have walked away as well. She put her hands on him too and tossed out a racial slur. Hitting her is not something I personally would have done but other men are different. Other men are like Hunt. Hunt was wrong for putting his hands on her but she also put herself in a situation where her physical safety was left in the hands of a stranger that was bigger and stronger than she was and she had her own actions to largely thank for it.

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I look at it this way- if someone who is probably half your weight& has probably 25% of your strength hits or shoves you, and calls you names, is it Ok to strike back, continue with the physical beat down, and then when the smaller person is somewhat helpless on the ground, kick them? If a 120 lb woman does this to a 70 pound person, lock her up & throw the book at her.

luuked said:

I don't get your point. I don't think anyone is claiming she is innocent in how the situation came to be but none of this excuses or even lightens what Hunt then did by even 0.0001%.

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Who is excusing Hunt? I can quote the post again where I said he shouldn’t hit her if you’d like. It’s a discussion on how we handle these things as a society. If women truly have equal rights to a man, they should expect an equal response if they put themselves in this situation, yes? Or are we ready to admit that they don’t truly have equal rights?

She is responsible for her actions and he is for his. He escalated a scuffle into full blown assault. It doesn't matter if he hit a woman or a man in this case either. It is all about being proportional and reasonable in the response to being called the n-word.

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Of course. They’re both wrong. She’s a woman. She’s weaker, smaller, and slower than he is. No need to hit her. A simple spit in the face would have done if he wanted to make a physical statement.

You are edging towards victim blaming here.

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Lmao. I’m doing nothing of the sort.

Lol! he strikes again! I love this guy!



EDIT: But then he goes too far


Bro, I'm crying. This is the type of kick I give my dog when I want him to get off the couch. Ben Baldwin on Twitter

— Barry McCockiner ���� (@SportsTalkBarry) November 30, 2018

Deleted tweet. **** that guy.

Arialgg said:

I look at it this way- if someone who is probably half your weight& has probably 25% of your strength hits or shoves you, and calls you names, is it Ok to strike back, continue with the physical beat down, and then when the smaller person is somewhat helpless on the ground, kick them? If a 120 lb woman does this to a 70 pound person, lock her up & throw the book at her.

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Of course not. Most of you seem to think I’m excusing Hunt here. I’m not. Because I’m operating on the belief that a woman is simply not a man’s physical equal (save for instances where one is trained and one is not like Ronda Rousey and your average 160 pound virgin video gamer).

KontradictioN said:

She also put her hands on him though. Let’s not forget about that. And no, I’m not excusing Hunt. I think women are equal to men in a variety of ways (ability to do certain jobs, cognitive ability, etc.), but physical strength isn’t one of them. If that’s the case, they’re not fully equal and therefore shouldn’t ask for “equal rights.” If you want equal rights with men, you need to take the good with the bad and not just cherry pick the good when it suits you. But these questions need to be asked. You call a black dude that word and put your hands on him, you’re putting yourself in a losing situation because he may not be so honorable.

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It's a terrible word. But if you can't control yourself because someone is being racist then you need help. Racism is part of this world and no matter what the color or your skin you have to deal with it. You're not going to please everyone on this planet. If someone doesn't like you and they call you a name, then move on with your life.

KontradictioN said:

Lmao. I’m doing nothing of the sort.

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Of course you are:

Hunt was wrong for putting his hands on her but she also put herself in a situation where her physical safety was left in the hands of a stranger that was bigger and stronger than she was and she had her own actions to largely thank for it.

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It is literally right there. At no point did she do anything where a proportional response is being shoved or kicked. So, no, she did not have to reasonably expect to get physically assaulted for calling someone the n-word.

You claiming otherwise is pretty similar to saying someone put themselves into a situation where they got sexually assaulted and they had only their own actions (e.g. dressing slutty, flirting) to largely thank for it.

TommyBrady12 said:

It's a terrible word. But if you can't control yourself because someone is being racist then you need help. Racism is part of this world and no matter what the color or your skin you have to deal with it. You're not going to please everyone on this planet. If someone doesn't like you and they call you a name, then move on with your life.

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And FWIW if someone punches a guy for calling him that ****, I wouldn't blame the guy but I also wouldn't say that should somehow free him from the consequences of his actions. It's like punching neo-nazis: you can be all for it while also acknowledging that the rule of law basically requires that it have consequences.

Jerok said:

How could there be a suspension NOW when the NFL and Chiefs had the video the whole time?

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You're almost there Chiefs fan! You can do it! Connect the dots!

XLIX said:

Violations of the law are matters for the general public.

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Not just that, but if my pocketbook is taking a hit because of the extracurricular activities of an employee, I'm damned well going to cut him loose. I'm not going to suffer for his bad judgement -- that's idiotic. And especially if what the employee did is highly likely to be an azzholish move at a minimum. And for all his caterwauling, I bet our resident DV minimizer would do exactly the same thing if his wallet was taking a hit.

Wheelman said:

douchebag Irae is posting again. Time to hit the ejecto seat!

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You should put me on ignore. That will mean that you won't be able to click <disagree> in your typical cowardly fashion, but at least you won't be exposed to thoughts that you can't handle.

Or you can stick to such pathetic actions as a lame-ass insulting of my screen name, which is nothing more than the title of a book (which you should read in order to broaden your mind).

She supposedly used the n word....maybe it was in response to him using a similar derogatory word at her....we will probably never know

KontradictioN said:

Of course not. Most of you seem to think I’m excusing Hunt here. I’m not. Because I’m operating on the belief that a woman is simply not a man’s physical equal (save for instances where one is trained and one is not like Ronda Rousey and your average 160 pound virgin video gamer).

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More to the point, nobody seems to be providing any context to other potential actions. Was it an isolated case? Was Hunt the target of other actions/commentary before the fact? None of these questions seem to be asked nor addressed.

The simple fact is nobody appears to be condoning Hunt's actions but the context of the full night haven't been adequately explained by anyone.

luuked said:

Of course you are:



It is literally right there. At no point did she do anything where a proportional response is being shoved or kicked. So, no, she did not have to reasonably expect to get physically assaulted for calling someone the n-word.

You claiming otherwise is pretty similar to saying someone put herself into a situation where they got sexually assaulted and they had only their own actions (e.g. dressing slutty, flirting) to largely thank for it.

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You realize the part of the post you quoted also said “Hunt was wrong for putting his hands on her” yes? Your accusation holds no water. There’s no excuse for what Hunt did to her. There’s no excuse for her putting her hands on him and lobbing that word at him. They’re both wrong and she can point the finger both at him and herself for that situation. Not that hard to understand and it’s very far from “victim blaming.” It’s merely acknowledging a truth. That you’re having to make it personal by accusing me of something that I’m clearly not doing instead of attacking what the point actually is should tell you all you need to know about how flimsy that argument is.

As for your example? Do I even need to tear that one apart or do you want to re-read it and see how ridiculous that comparison is. I’m game for either. Just let me know.

Chiefs are thugs. Kelce is a ticking time bomb set to go off. I would antagonize him in the playoffs.

Tyvek Hill has a history of female abuse too. Does Andy Reid look like he runs a tight ship?