Sony Michel Injury (update: Expected to Play Week 10 vs Titans)

nabwong said:

Definitely run behind Develin. Otherwise you go on IR.

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Hill probably has that tattooed on his forearms now.

I'd wait and let him play "sparsely" against the Titans. Since they have a BYE week afterwards...

IMO

zipster9 said:

I'd wait and let him play "sparsely" against the Titans. Since they have a BYE week afterwards...

IMO

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Id play him as soon as he is ready. Because winning is important.

turkeyneck said:

Check him out at 0:23. He and Develin could wreck the whole team.

Love the stiff -arm at 0:19.

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At 0:25, hes taking out his own teammates as well....

With all the speculation about the need for a RB and BB comments he is concerned about only 75 yards gained against Buffalo. Could it be that Sony Michel's imjury is worst than stated?

Brewskies said:

Could it be that Sony Michel's imjury is worst than stated?

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Maybe, but you’d think he would have picked up some sort of RB yesterday...not only that, but why would he return to practice already?

maineman209 said:

Hill probably has that tattooed on his forearms now.

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Didn't Develin put him on IR?

This analysis would be fine IFF Barner or Farrow could be counted on for anything at all. Both are behind Patterson in the RB depth chart. Barner was active and presumably healthy. I believe he carried twice.

If both Michel and Bulkhead are expected to be counted on after the bye, then Belichick must see SOMETHING in Barner or Farrow. Obviously, he thinks less of anyone that he could bring in, even as an emergency back brought in now for after the bye.

With everyone healthy, we would have Michel, White, Burkhead, Develin, Patterson and Barner/Farrow. I understand that the Barner/Farrow position is low priority but I would think that someone could be signed that would be an upgrade to Barner/Farrow as a backup. I certainly HOPE that this is NOT the case, and Barner or Farrow will be an adequate backup if called upon.

maineman209 said:

Like Barner, Farrow appears to be a runner who knows how to follow his blocking, and who doesn't crumple on first contact. With a very good run-blocking OL - plus Develin, Gronk and Allen - that much could be more than enough to get the job done.

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The Brandon Five said:

Didn't Develin put him on IR?

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James Develin will not allow his roster spot to be jeapordized.
Now we know why Brady is so complimentary of him.
He's scared
Develin won't rest til he is the only back on the team.

Brewskies said:

With all the speculation about the need for a RB and BB comments he is concerned about only 75 yards gained against Buffalo. Could it be that Sony Michel's imjury is worst than stated?

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Belichick was asked a question about RB depth. He responded:

“We just got back a few hours ago,” Belichick said, “so we’ll kind or recalibrate here and see where we’re at relative to who’s available and how we want to structure our game plan and what we want to do there. That’s one of the things we’re going through (Tuesday). But it’s a consideration, and I’d say it’s a concern.”

AFAIK, Belichick didn't specifically express any concern over "only 75 yards gained against Buffalo", just about the depth at the position.

The Bills have a very good, though inconsistent, run-D. The Pats had only 82 rushing yards against JAX, and only 89 the following week against the Lions' abysmal run-D (Michel played in both those games).

WRT Michel's injury status, the report ("official" or not) has been that he's week-to-week. The fact is that he missed the first two practices last week, but then was only "limited" on Saturday (along with nine other guys).

The Brandon Five said:

Didn't Develin put him on IR?

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Yeah, that was kinda the point of the joke.

I think Michel plays on sunday. Bills was a win with or without him, sunday not so much.
Short week vs Packers, then Titoons and bye-week. So you play him on sunday or give him the bye to rest.
They also have the option to activate Rex, should be around bye aswell?

I wouldn't bring him back so quick against a Needy Green Bay Team. Bring Sony back against the Titans and sign one of those FA's like Gilly or somebody to help with those Tough yards.

mgteich said:

This analysis would be fine IFF Barner or Farrow could be counted on for anything at all. Both are behind Patterson in the RB depth chart. Barner was active and presumably healthy. I believe he carried twice.

If both Michel and Bulkhead are expected to be counted on after the bye, then Belichick must see SOMETHING in Barner or Farrow. Obviously, he thinks less of anyone that he could bring in, even as an emergency back brought in now for after the bye.

With everyone healthy, we would have Michel, White, Burkhead, Develin, Patterson and Barner/Farrow. I understand that the Barner/Farrow position is low priority but I would think that someone could be signed that would be an upgrade to Barner/Farrow as a backup. I certainly HOPE that this is NOT the case, and Barner or Farrow will be an adequate backup if called upon.

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Prior to Monday night, Barner had 16 carries for 63 yards for the Pats in 3 games (just 32 total snaps). That's 3.94 ypa - more than adequate for a backup. And I still maintain that concluding that Barner is "behind Patterson" in the RB hierarchy, based on Patterson's one-off game as the "lead RB" against Buffalo, is a bit of a reach.

Again, since Michel at least participated in Saturday's practice on a "limited" basis, until I hear otherwise, I'm guessing that further RB depth might be needed for only another game or two.

I'm also sufficiently confident in the Pats pro-personnel scouting to guess that, IF there was an RB available ...
-- whose potential to contribute immediately (coming into the Pats system "cold") was certain to be superior to that of Barner (with five weeks of practice with the Pats)
-- AND who would be willing to sign with the Pats for what might turn out to be only a week or two of work
... then the Pats would probably already have him on the roster.

My guess is still that, if Michel isn't likely to play against the Packers, and that RB depth is a "concern", the most likely possibility is that the Pats promote Farrow (and his experience in the system) into the roster spot vacated by Rowe.

Luxusdk said:

I think Michel plays on sunday. Bills was a win with or without him, sunday not so much.
Short week vs Packers, then Titoons and bye-week. So you play him on sunday or give him the bye to rest.
They also have the option to activate Rex, should be around bye aswell?

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The BYE is wk-11.

Burkhead is eligible to resume practicing with the team (on a roster exemption) as early as Nov. 5th (wk-10). He's eligible to be activated for the wk-13 game against MIN on Dec. 2nd.

maineman209 said:

Belichick was asked a question about RB depth. He responded:

“We just got back a few hours ago,” Belichick said, “so we’ll kind or recalibrate here and see where we’re at relative to who’s available and how we want to structure our game plan and what we want to do there. That’s one of the things we’re going through (Tuesday). But it’s a consideration, and I’d say it’s a concern.”

AFAIK, Belichick didn't specifically express any concern over "only 75 yards gained against Buffalo", just about the depth at the position.

The Bills have a very good, though inconsistent, run-D. The Pats had only 82 rushing yards against JAX, and only 89 the following week against the Lions' abysmal run-D (Michel played in both those games).

WRT Michel's injury status, the report ("official" or not) has been that he's week-to-week. The fact is that he missed the first two practices last week, but then was only "limited" on Saturday (along with nine other guys).

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Thanks for the reply as I posted "informative." I just read this morning BB response re: 75 yards, he was probably misquoted. Your info doesn't suggest it was a minor injury. I hope he gets better we need him this week vs GB.

maineman209 said:

Yeah, that was kinda the point of the joke.

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Brewskies said:

Thanks for the reply as I posted "informative." I just read this morning BB response re: 75 yards, he was probably misquoted. Your info doesn't suggest it was a minor injury. I hope he gets better we need him this week vs GB.

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Well, we don't really know the degree of injury that Michel suffered, because the Pats almost never discuss player injuries in any detail. All we have are speculations from the media that are based on "sources".

However, we can reasonable guess that Michel's knee injury is closer to "minor" than to "major" based on a couple of actual facts: 1) Michel is not on IR (yet), 2) He was officially reported by the Pats to have participated in practice this past Saturday on a "limited basis".

What that means wrt his availability to play in the next game is speculation at this point. However, beginning this afternoon, three more official practice reports will be issued by the Pats between now and Sunday that will provide more information. Also, if there's a brand new player wearing an RB number at today's practice, that would be another actual fact that we can use. OTOH, if the Pats intend to promote Farrow from the PS for Sunday, we won't know about that until it happens, since he's going to be at practice regardless.

The Brandon Five said:

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Follow the comment links back to nabwong's original response. But be forewarned, it could go either way.

maineman209 said:

Follow the comment links back to nabwong's original response. But be forewarned, it could go either way.

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I did. Still didn't get it. I agree with running behind Develin to gain yards, but in terms of avoiding IR, umm, not so much.