The Josh Gordon Thread: Pats Officially Acquire Gordon for Fifth-Round Pick

JackBauer said:

Again: I brought up Haynesworth because he's an example of BB bringing in someone with a less-than-sterling (putting it mildly) reputation. An example that, using Ninkovich's logic, would also "send the wrong signal."

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Right so haynesworth is your argument that it does send the right signal? You are disagreeing with someone saying this was a bad move by showing that another bad move for what you consider to be similar reasons didn’t work.

Your response, of course, was oh well how did that work out, which is completely irrelevant to the questions of a.) what signal this sends and b.) what the probability is that Gordon pans out.

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You are the one introducing haynesworth into the discussion. Apparently you are saying haynesworth is proof that nink is wrong this sends a good message. Not sure what mental gymnastics got you there.

You're quite right, though. Haynesworth only had a lengthy college and pro history of getting in physical confrontations (aka beatdowns) with his teammates; was suspended for stomping the crap out of a guy; totally quit on the Redskins after having cashing in on a $100 million deal; was suspended by a team that would rather pay him to do nothing than put him on the field; crashed his Ferrari while driving >100MPH, partially paralyzing another driver; and beat a guy during a traffic altercation.

Oh, and then he was charged with reckless endangerment for trying to run another driver off the road (charges dropped), was sued for not paying child support, and was indicted for sexual assault after groping a waitress.

You know, after further examination, I think that Haynesworth might actually be worse than Gordon. Gordon may be an addict but Haynesworth was just a POS with no discernible redeeming qualities whatsoever.

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I’m not sure where this became a character assessment. It’s about football and availability.
If you seriously think haynesworth at the time he was brought in had a greater chance of losing eligibility or not showing up than Gordon then you are lying to yourself.

Tuck said:

The trade still hasn't shown up on the NFL's transaction wire. I have a hard time believing we'll see him play in a Pats uniform this week.

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O man I swear if they drug test him and he fails dear god.

Coolade2 said:

Wow .. this thread is all over the place..!! Addiction? Weed? Speculation on his other issues.? Judgemental comments by nink..?

Here's my take on the guys career.

Great player who liked to puff weed as self medication.. so what? Enjoyed a few cooktails ..so what?

He gets suspended for drug test for entire season.. huh.? Thc in your system could be a couple hits from 3 days ago. It's not addiction . So his great young career is screwed by NFL policy. Sucks and he has to deal with that stupid penalty.. I have empathy for the guy. Seems he just kept getting screwed since the penalties compound the situation and he's living his life on NFL "probation". For a tiny bit of weed in his system. Pump the brakes. If you're the guy getting treated this way , he probably felt persecuted like he couldn't do anything right. Prejudged, NFL heavy handed policy.. can't shake it.. never goes away.

So now.. move on and change the scenery. Absolutely can alter the course of guys career. New focus , new people, new playbook. He can use this opportunity to restart almost like a rookie with fresh attitude . He can basically erase the Cleveland experience if he wants to. He's still young enough.

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I would agree with that except for 3 facts you leave out.
1) he knew he was subject to suspension and numerous tomes smoked a banned substance any way. That’s not a comment about drug use that’s a comment about how important playing football seems to be to him.
2) after being reinstated to play after 2 years, he checked himself into a facility, reportedly to hide from a paternity test. He showed up in tone to play 5 games. That’s not about paternity, that’s about how important football
seems to be to him.
3) this year he decided not to report to camp, citing the stress of a child custody case. He showed up a week before the opener. Then reportedly showed up late for practice. That’s not about custody that’s about how important football is to him.

It’s hard for me to imagine the chances are very good that he can make it 5 more months without something happening in his life that either causes a relapse or has him walk away from football again.

ChrisR2223 said:

O man I swear if they drug test him and he fails dear god.

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That has to be what is going on. Other than a physical fail there is no other reason this thing is hanging out there.

ChrisR2223 said:

O man I swear if they drug test him and he fails dear god.

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Here’s an intetesting thought. Gordon was on the commissioners banned list until he was reinstated last year, and his reinstatement involved a specific rehabilitation and maintenance plan. I am not sure how long the plan was to be in effect, but what if roger goodell jumps in and says playing for the patriots is not deemed conducive to Gordon’s long term recovery and he will not allow the trade?
I’m not saying this because of my opinions about Gordon but because of my opinions about goodell.

AndyJohnson said:

Here’s an intetesting thought. Gordon was on the commissioners banned list until he was reinstated last year, and his reinstatement involved a specific rehabilitation and maintenance plan. I am not sure how long the plan was to be in effect, but what if roger goodell jumps in and says playing for the patriots is not deemed conducive to Gordon’s long term recovery and he will not allow the trade?
I’m not saying this because of my opinions about Gordon but because of my opinions about goodell.

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I find this totally believable.

robertweathers said:

That has to be what is going on. Other than a physical fail there is no other reason this thing is hanging out there.

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IDK, I suppose its reasonable that the physical hasn't happened because the guy had to pack his things and fly out here or the league hasnt pushed through the necessary paperwork yet. I have absolutely no idea how that all works but 24 hours still seems reasonable IMHO.

AndyJohnson said:

Here’s an intetesting thought. Gordon was on the commissioners banned list until he was reinstated last year, and his reinstatement involved a specific rehabilitation and maintenance plan. I am not sure how long the plan was to be in effect, but what if roger goodell jumps in and says playing for the patriots is not deemed conducive to Gordon’s long term recovery and he will not allow the trade?
I’m not saying this because of my opinions about Gordon but because of my opinions about goodell.

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Maybe I'm naïve, but Goody hasn't ****ed with us in a few years now. Seems a tad bit farfetched. I think he'll leave well enough alone.



I mean, BB and Goody are best buds now according to Wickersham, they'll probably go to Bdubs and have a few Tedy Bruschi's and laugh about it all.

condon84 said:

Cautiously optimistic. Excited for the talent he brings but potheads generally aren't known for their precision, so I hope he can gain Brady's trust.

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Pleeze srr, i begg to diffr.

AndyJohnson said:

Here’s an intetesting thought. Gordon was on the commissioners banned list until he was reinstated last year, and his reinstatement involved a specific rehabilitation and maintenance plan. I am not sure how long the plan was to be in effect, but what if roger goodell jumps in and says playing for the patriots is not deemed conducive to Gordon’s long term recovery and he will not allow the trade?
I’m not saying this because of my opinions about Gordon but because of my opinions about goodell.

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Interesting thought. I wouldnt put this past him but I would find it incredibly brazen and even a little foolish to further antagonize Kraft. I also have a hard time envisioning the upside for Goodell.

AndyJohnson said:

Here’s an intetesting thought. Gordon was on the commissioners banned list until he was reinstated last year, and his reinstatement involved a specific rehabilitation and maintenance plan. I am not sure how long the plan was to be in effect, but what if roger goodell jumps in and says playing for the patriots is not deemed conducive to Gordon’s long term recovery and he will not allow the trade?
I’m not saying this because of my opinions about Gordon but because of my opinions about goodell.

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Keep trying Andy. A bit disingenuous at the end.

Froob said:

Maybe I'm naïve, but Goody hasn't ****ed with us in a few years now. Seems a tad bit farfetched. I think he'll leave well enough alone.



I mean, BB and Goody are best buds now according to Wickersham, they'll probably go to Bdubs and have a few Tedy Bruschi's and laugh about it all.

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Goodell has been pretty much absent from the public eye since last season, hasn't he? Starting to wonder if Jerry Jones kidnapped the guy and stashed him in his closet or something.

robertweathers said:

I find this totally believable.

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Id hate Goddell so much

BradyFTW! said:

Goodell has been pretty much absent from the public eye since last season, hasn't he? Starting to wonder if Jerry Jones kidnapped the guy and stashed him in his closet or something.

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Probably wore himself out from all the fun the last few years.

luuked said:

Sounds like some people are just uninformed assholes and calling this "school of thought" is a joke. Lets call it what it is.. "********". Might as well call flat-earthers people that follow a "school of thought" then.

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I must have missed the photos from space proving addiction has a physiological foundation and not a character or psychological one. I don’t claim to be an expert on this topic, but what I’ve read leads me to believe research is still in the “theory” stage.

Everyone wants to downplay poor character as the cause of addiction or mental illness, but the people I’ve observed who’ve made the most progress in their struggles have done so when something or someone has entered their life motivating them to be a stronger more determined person.

I suffer from depression. There have been a couple of episodes in my life where it was so overwhelming that I nearly took my life. My experience with battling depression is that it is when my resolve and determination are at their highest my depression is at it’s lowest. Character is not morality with which it is often confused rather it is the skills we all need to cope with life. Strengthening or teaching those skills is the best treatment for mental illness and addiction issues if you ask me.

Never thought I’d ever defend Nancy Reagan as one who saw her “just say no to drugs” campaign as laughable back in the day. But, when I look back at it with hopefully wiser eyes, people just saying no to drugs is really the only answer to this epidemic. We’ve spent decades and billions trying to fight it on the supply side to no avail. Maybe, we should fight it on the demand side. No reefer madness nonsense is needed. The facts of alcohol and drug use are scary enough.

I’m rooting for Josh Gordon. I was even before yesterday.

Kenneth Sims said:

I must have missed the photos from space proving addiction has a physiological foundation and not a character or psychological one

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I think at this point we have enough research demonstrating the physiological aspect of addictions in many organisms including human. If you don't believe that then you might as well argue that the earth is flat. Science is not an opinion and willpower is not enough.

And conflating depression with substance abuse won't help your argument.

Jangles said:

Slow your roll turbo

I don’t care that he smokes weed. I think it’s funny that’s called a disease.

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Hit the gas Prius, he's admitted to worse, and more dangerous, drugs than weed.

Not sure if this was already posted, but Gordon lying to the Browns is the reason he was traded. He told the Browns he was going to do a photo shoot at the team facility for his clothing line Flash on friday night but instead did a “hype video”’ where he ran a 40 yard dash and pulled his hamstring. He then shows up late for work the following day. I’m not liking this - why lie to the team that is helping you get back on track?

https://nypost.com/2018/09/18/the-final-straw-that-got-josh-gordon-shipped-to-patriots/

A breakdown of trust between the Browns and troubled receiver Josh Gordon ultimately led to his departure Monday, after he allegedly misled the team and sustained an injury while shooting a commercial at the Berea, Ohio, facility, sources tell The Athletic.

Originally given the green light by the club to conduct a photo shoot for his clothing line, Gordon instead participated in what was said to be a “hype video,” which included football drills and was set to debut on social media. Participating in a slew of drills Friday night, including the 40-yard dash, Gordon grabbed at his hamstring and limped on set, an insider said.

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TommyBrady12 said:

Not sure of this was reported, but Gordon lying to the Browns is the reason he was traded. He told the Browns he was going to do a photo shoot at the team facility for his clothing line Flash on friday night but instead did a “hype video”’ where he ran a 40 yard dash and pulled his hamstring. He then showed up late for work the following day. I’m not liking this - why lie to the team that is helping you get back on track?

https://nypost.com/2018/09/18/the-final-straw-that-got-josh-gordon-shipped-to-patriots/

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I'm happy I've wanted Gordon on the Pats forever.

ChrisR2223 said:

I'm happy I've wanted Gordon on the Pats forever.

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He seemingly needed a massive change of scenery.