The Josh Gordon Thread: Pats Officially Acquire Gordon for Fifth-Round Pick

Elijah said:

Why are we still referring to it as a "weed addiction" on page 74 when it's been clearly established he's had problems with harder drugs?

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When was that clearly established? Has he been suspended for something else?

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Rob Ninkovich on Josh Gordon trade: 'I think it just sends the wrong messag | Boston.com

Please, Please, Please let this kid get it together immediately. This is a game changer.

AndyJohnson said:

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Rob Ninkovich on Josh Gordon trade: 'I think it just sends the wrong messag | Boston.com

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How does Nink's logic not apply to malcontents the Patriots have signed in the past?

JackBauer said:

How does Nink's logic not apply to malcontents the Patriots have signed in the past?

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True. Its possible he is only commenting on what he witnessed which was a Moss that wore out his welcome on the Pats. Nikno was not on the team in 07 and 08 when Moss was on his best behavior. Still, the Pats have shown they can take guys like Moss and Dillion and make it work well.

JMC00 said:

What game did you watch? Protection would have been fine if they had Edelman and a guy like Gordon out there with Gronk.

Hogan and Dorsett are solid #3 and #4 WRs and Brady can probably beat most defenses with them as the #1 and #2 but against the best pass defenses it's a tall order

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Yeah Hogan is 7/11 against the 3rd CB. But the dude is not a world beater against better coverage corners.

I'm gonna argue vs Nink.

“There’s guys that fit and guys that don’t,” Ninkovich told WEEI. “There’s a certain personality that has to be considered when you play for the Patriots. I question his love for the game if you’ve been suspended so many times or you hurt your hamstring doing a video for some type of endorsement when you’ve practiced all week. Isn’t that letting down your teammates?”

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Response: He has an addiction and emotional problems. Nink thinks that translates into a lack of passion for football. Nink does not buy the fact that the "hamstring" injury was a way to shoot himself out of CLE.

“First of all, receiver isn’t a plug-and-play position,” Ninkovich said. “It’s not like, ‘OK, here’s the phone book of Tom’s plays and you’re ready to go on Sunday.’ It’s going to take somebody at least a month to like really understand the offense. So you bring a guy in, you’ve got to take another guy off the roster. At what point does your talent hide everything else like your issues?”

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Response: A month? So what? That takes us to early October. They will throw Josh out there sooner than later and figure out if he can help them. If he can't then they go to Britt or some other WR.

“Why would the Browns let go of one of their best players when they haven’t won a game in a year and two weeks or whatever?” he said. “It tells me he’s not dependable. You can’t depend on that guy.”

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Response: I don't have one. No question he was not dependable. I think he was trying to shoot his way out of CLE.

“I think there’s a certain amount of pressure and stress that come with playing with the Patriots — and expectations,” Ninkovich said. “He’s in a place where, really, if they win one game, it’s a celebration. There’s no playoff hopes. There’s no win your division. There’s no failure if you don’t win your division. The Patriots here, I mean, it’s definitely a stressful environment. It’s not easy to play here."

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Response: Thats my biggest concern. Players here need to be mentally tough. Not sure Josh is. If this place gets the best of him he might relapse.

Bruins29 said:

True. Its possible he is only commenting on what he witnessed which was a Moss that wore out his welcome on the Pats. Nikno was not on the team in 07 and 08 when Moss was on his best behavior. Still, the Pats have shown they can take guys like Moss and Dillion and make it work well.

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Ninko was an awesome player and the quintisential Pat. But at the end of the day, some guys just need that structure in their life until they grow up. The Pats can provide that. Moss even looks back and wishes he acted differently towards the end. If Gordon has any self awareness at all, he will be greatful for the chance and fall in line.

Josh Gordon expected to play Sunday

JackBauer said:

How does Nink's logic not apply to malcontents the Patriots have signed in the past?

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There were no other players with the level
of issues Gordon had. Who are you trying to compare him to?

Just read the history in Boston.com of Gordon abusing himself with drugs. Pills and alcohol since being a kid. I still think the Pats made the right move re: him. It a try and buy program. Also probably giving him his last chance. I sincerely hope it works out for both him and the Pats.

Go Pats

Bruins29 said:

True. Its possible he is only commenting on what he witnessed which was a Moss that wore out his welcome on the Pats. Nikno was not on the team in 07 and 08 when Moss was on his best behavior. Still, the Pats have shown they can take guys like Moss and Dillion and make it work well.

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He was here when Talib was brought in too. That dude was a mess. Guns, fights, Adderall, missing meetings....Once he got here he became a model citizen.

AndyJohnson said:

There were no other players with the level
of issues Gordon had. Who are you trying to compare him to?

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How about Albert Haynesworth? Just thinking of a name that hasn't already been mentioned.

JackBauer said:

How bout Albert Haynesworth?

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Great example how did that work out.

And hayneswieth has nowhere near the amount of issues as Gordon.

robertweathers said:

He was here when Talib was brought in too. That dude was a mess. Guns, fights, Adderall, missing meetings....Once he got here he became a model citizen.

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Talibs issues were a lot less than Gordon’s as far as being available for football.
Gordon literally chose not to show up the last 2 seasons.

AndyJohnson said:

Talibs issues were a lot less than Gordon’s as far as being available for football.
Gordon literally chose not to show up the last 2 seasons.

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Of course.

Nink was trying to correlate a lack of commitment to the team and football to off the field issues.

Talib's off the field issues contributed to him not being available. Is that to be interpreted as not being committed to the team?

AndyJohnson said:

Great example how did that work out.

And hayneswieth has nowhere near the amount of issues as Gordon.

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Sounds like you’re rooting hard for the guy to fail. If/when that happens, you can lay the blame at the feet of BB for letting that position group get to the point where this move had to be made out of desperation. Doing more at the position would have made trading for Gordon a luxury as opposed to a necessity. But let this be shown that it’s not only the chicken littles who root for a move to fail so they can be right. The homers can be just as guilty.

Andy, with all due respect, you're speculating about Gordon is ways that I don't think you're well enough informed to do. You're making a lot of assumptions about Gordon based on what is ultimately a small number of facts surrounding the situation. I hate to use the cliche but only Gordon truly knows what he's dealing with and where he's at psychologically.

If Gordon is mentally/psychologically better off than it appears then I expect this will be a great trade.

If things are dire then I hope he can get it together, partially for the Pats' sake, but mostly for his own. I'm not sure if he's a good guy (ethically speaking) but I'm really rooting for him.

AndyJohnson said:

We can’t chalk up josh Gordon destroying his career by smoking weed to addiction because weed is not addictive, it’s a choice.

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No, we can't chalk up Josh Gordon destroying his career by smoking weed to addiction because he didn't destroy his career just by smoking weed, he also was addicted to and/or abused alcohol and some harder drugs.

dreighver said:

Andy, with all due respect, you're speculating about Gordon is ways that I don't think you're well enough informed to do. You're making a lot of assumptions about Gordon based on what is ultimately a small number of facts surrounding the situation. I hate to use the cliche but only Gordon truly knows what he's dealing with and where he's at psychologically.

If Gordon is mentally/psychologically better off than it appears then I expect this will be a great trade.

If things are dire then I hope he can get it together, partially for the Pats' sake, but mostly for his own. I'm not sure if he's a good guy (ethically speaking) but I'm really rooting for him.

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I don’t know where I claimed to know what is in his head. I am only assessing the facts that are available.

It doesn’t trouble you that last year as soon as he was cleared to play he entered a facility reportedly to avoid a paternity test and this year he didn’t show up for camp because he was unable to handle football while he was dealing with a custody case?

Maybe it’s me but devoting time and commuting to this guy will be a big mistake if he flakes out at the wrong time. I don’t know how that is arguable and I don’t know how his track record makes anyone think it is unlikely.