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Maybe the Bills coach will retire after hearing this trade.
 
He better throw Floyd blocks
 
Josh better not mess this up - you know he's gotta be happy somehow - Going from the Cleveland Browns to the New England Patriots is equivalent to dating Caitlyn Jenner then moving on to dating Hannah Jeter
 
He better throw Floyd blocks

Funny how the Floyd block was the most memorable moment of his tenure here...

That said, Gordon has shown some blocking potential in the past:

 
I watched his highlights, the guy seems great. I’m optimistic
 
In all honesty WR wasn't the issue in sundays game, it was clearly the lack of protection for Brady and the defense not being able to generate any kind of pass rush. Whats the point on having a deep threat if you can barely hold onto the ball for 2-3 seconds.. Early in the Season New England always starts off slow. As long as they fix the line because they are mighty thin, Rivers not playing and Flowers getting a concussion hurt the d-line a lot. Bortles looked like Marino out there... If the offensive line blocks well for Brady expect Gordon to have a great year and hope he stays in New England Belichick should have learned his lesson from cutting and letting all his WRs walk..
 
I was midly against this trade. But I like the trade, if he sucks we get a 7th. Good protection from the risk. Hope it works out and makes that 5th worth it!:)
 
Mixing codeine with soda is very popular in some areas, especially his hometown of Houston. While multiple time per day, everyday prolonged use can cause some withdrawal symptoms (for codeine, which is minor compared to “real” opiates), I don’t know if I’d refer to him as having an actual opiate issue. It sounds more of a bad habit/cultural type of thing.

He did admit to the Xanax use since middle school, though, and we already know about the weed and alcohol stuff.

Certainly codeine isn't on the level of heroin or oxy or even vicodin (I've been prescribed codeine and vicodin, know firsthand that the former is nowhere near the latter's level). But codeine it is by definition an opioid that works in the same basic way (if not degree) that others do, and like any other opioid there's a clear progression to harder stuff that comes from building up a tolerance and chasing the same or better high elsewhere. Most of this forum lives in the northeast, and I'm from rural Maine, which has been hit especially hard by the epidemic. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's watched a lot of people go down this exact path, from 'light' opioids to harder drugs to full-blown addiction and in a lot of cases death.

Combine that with some context clues--he's in a profession where prescription painkillers are readily available and their use is encouraged, plus he spent 3 months in a rehab facility which isn't something you do to kick weed--and I think the evidence points pretty clearly to the likelihood that he became addicted to harder stuff at some point. You show me a guy who started routinely using a 'light' opioid in high school, has had easy access to prescription painkillers for his whole adult life, and spent 3 months in rehab over the last year, and I'll show you a guy with an opiate addiction.
 
Weed is NOT a gateway drug. Lets take your own example as evidence. You state that 90% of the league smokes. If that is true and your statement is true then we should expect that 90% of the league will move up to harder drugs. Seeing as how we have years of evidence to disprove that you would be completely wrong.

To be fair I would bet that prescription painkiller abuse is an epidemic in the NFL even above and beyond what it is in the general population, but yeah weed has nothing to do with that. It's because of the beating their bodies take week in and week out. In fact, to the extent that guys self-medicate with weed that's probably just keeping the painkiller epidemic from being even worse.
 
Agree

Watch him go off on DET ****ty secondary.

Normally I'd say no chance with this kind of turnaround time, but if he and Brady just work on getting the bare minimum of timing down they could probably send him on a dozen deep routes and try to overthrow him if he gets a step of separation on any of them. Could easily turn into a 6 target, 2 catch, 90 yards and 2 TDs performance without him knowing the playbook. And that's probably a more productive use of those 6 targets than trying to force the ball to Hollister, since it would force them to honor Gordon's deep speed.

Definitely not expecting that, but he's a physical freak the likes of which we haven't had here in a decade and the Lions secondary is trash if Slay is out, so it's in play at least. Maybe Gronk might even see single coverage again at some point before week 5.
 
In all honesty WR wasn't the issue in sundays game, it was clearly the lack of protection for Brady and the defense not being able to generate any kind of pass rush. Whats the point on having a deep threat if you can barely hold onto the ball for 2-3 seconds.. Early in the Season New England always starts off slow. As long as they fix the line because they are mighty thin, Rivers not playing and Flowers getting a concussion hurt the d-line a lot. Bortles looked like Marino out there... If the offensive line blocks well for Brady expect Gordon to have a great year and hope he stays in New England Belichick should have learned his lesson from cutting and letting all his WRs walk..

This is the exact flaw that people who dislike this deal don’t understand. The protection was actually decent, but the Jags easily covered the receivers and double or tripled Gronk. That stressed the line because TB held the ball. Gordon doesn’t just “take the top off”, he bleeds coverage away from the others. Thus, guys like Dorsett and Edelman can roam more freely and get open faster underneath. Gronk won't have a LB playing high to deal with.

It’s a trickle down effect that will make everyone better. Period.
 
Good question, I don't have the answer. I think the idea is that he needs to "behave" well enough to remain on the roster for that length of time, but I haven't seen an explanation for why 10 games was designated.

In case he gets benched in the super bowl?
 
Normally I'd say no chance with this kind of turnaround time, but if he and Brady just work on getting the bare minimum of timing down they could probably send him on a dozen deep routes and try to overthrow him if he gets a step of separation on any of them. Could easily turn into a 6 target, 2 catch, 90 yards and 2 TDs performance without him knowing the playbook. And that's probably a more productive use of those 6 targets than trying to force the ball to Hollister, since it would force them to honor Gordon's deep speed.

Definitely not expecting that, but he's a physical freak the likes of which we haven't had here in a decade and the Lions secondary is trash if Slay is out, so it's in play at least. Maybe Gronk might even see single coverage again at some point before week 5.

I was thinking along similar lines. If they can get together on a dig and a hitch and go, pretty basic stuff, he might be productive as soon as this Sunday.
 
This is the exact flaw that people who dislike this deal don’t understand. The protection was actually decent, but the Jags easily covered the receivers and double or tripled Gronk. That stressed the line because TB held the ball. Gordon doesn’t just “take the top off”, he bleeds coverage away from the others. Thus, guys like Dorsett and Edelman can roam more freely and get open faster underneath. Gronk won't have a LB playing high to deal with.

It’s a trickle down effect that will make everyone better. Period.

You’re generally right but the OL play was subpar much of the game. Watch some of the rewind and you’ll see.
 
When Gordon hits and plays like the All Pro he is Brady will actuplay till he’s 45
 
Certainly codeine isn't on the level of heroin or oxy or even vicodin (I've been prescribed codeine and vicodin, know firsthand that the former is nowhere near the latter's level). But codeine it is by definition an opioid that works in the same basic way (if not degree) that others do, and like any other opioid there's a clear progression to harder stuff that comes from building up a tolerance and chasing the same or better high elsewhere. Most of this forum lives in the northeast, and I'm from rural Maine, which has been hit especially hard by the epidemic. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's watched a lot of people go down this exact path, from 'light' opioids to harder drugs to full-blown addiction and in a lot of cases death.

Combine that with some context clues--he's in a profession where prescription painkillers are readily available and their use is encouraged, plus he spent 3 months in a rehab facility which isn't something you do to kick weed--and I think the evidence points pretty clearly to the likelihood that he became addicted to harder stuff at some point. You show me a guy who started routinely using a 'light' opioid in high school, has had easy access to prescription painkillers for his whole adult life, and spent 3 months in rehab over the last year, and I'll show you a guy with an opiate addiction.
All excellent points. I’m just not ready to throw him in the “addicted to opiate” category just because he’s admitted to mixing codeine cough syrup in his soda back in high school, that’s all. There are areas like his hometown of Houston where this is totally normal behavior. I’ve seen some documentaries where drinking lean/sizzurp is basically our equivalent of drinking beer under the bleachers in high school. It sounds absurd, I know, but its popularity down there is absolutely through the roof.

If he is/was addicted to opiates, here’s hoping that the light of recovery guides his way and that the NFL’s substance abuse system is helping to get him the right kind of counseling, testing, and deterrence factors that he needs to get past it. In the meantime, I wish him the best. And I certainly know all about the epidemic. The western PA/WV area has been dealing with this kind of emergency level for a long time. Those two states were in the mix for the highest mortality rates in the country for awhile. I know that a couple of the New England states were right up there, too, although I think they were a couple/few years behind. I lost my only brother to a heroin overdose back in 2012 at the age of 31. He had been clean for several months and was doing well, but the dealers had inundated the local NA/AA meetings so heavily that they were targeting those who were alone before and after the meetings, usually hanging around smoking cigarettes outside. Eventually, after about 100 or so days clean he had a bad day and used about 20 dollars worth, and because his tolerance was so low again, a “small” shot ended up being fatal.

On the plus side...the medical MMJ programs are up and running and I think that is helping the issue. I know that I’m using the drops under my tongue every day now, and that’s allowed me to limit by daily pain pill to just one at night. I’m expecting to cut that down to half, soon, and I hope that others who deal with everyday chronic pain are able to take advantage as well. The doctors have also cut down their prescriptions to about 60-65% of where they were only five years ago. That should have an effect. FBI/DEA task force has been very busy here in Pittsburgh. That’s also helping.

In our situation with Josh Gordon, we obviously hope that he’s able to continue his sobriety (however long that’s been), but from a football standpoint, we have to hope for two years on the cheap. If he can do that, he’s got the chance to parlay this opportunity into a multi-million dollar deal.
 
You’re generally right but the OL play was subpar much of the game. Watch some of the rewind and you’ll see.
Hoping that Cannon’s calf injury will improve, because I’m not too high on Waddle. He’s a weak link on that OL.

Yes, Gordon will help to shift coverage and open up some underneath routes, but the loss of Lewis has been felt a bit, too. They’re going to have to get the running game going for this offense to excel.
 
I might be cluless on this so bear with me, but couldn't the Patriots purposely use him for 9 games only then get a 7th back?

You dont do business like that to a friend who just did you a huge favor.

I do not buy for a second that a conditional 5th was the highest offer out there. I mean this deal basically gives up a Browns 7th and Gordon to take him off their hands. They traded him to a direct competitor for the AFC Championship too.

Nope, who is the only AFC team that can take out the Chiefs and Steelers in the conference?

Dorseys former AFC employer treated him rather shabbily at the end. Dorsey basically built that team you see now. Any Brown worth his salt never wants to see Pittsburgh win another Lombardi.
 
Hoping that Cannon’s calf injury will improve, because I’m not too high on Waddle. He’s a weak link on that OL.

Yes, Gordon will help to shift coverage and open up some underneath routes, but the loss of Lewis has been felt a bit, too. They’re going to have to get the running game going for this offense to excel.
The players who left to get paid:

Amendola
Lewis
Solder
 
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