The Josh Gordon Thread: Pats Officially Acquire Gordon for Fifth-Round Pick

Elijah said:

I dunno. I think lean is a true, seriously addictive and dangerous opiate. People (most visibly, rappers) die from it or related health complications (you generally drink a ridiculous amount of soda to mix) fairly often. It's absolutely a cultural thing that many can quit like a habit, but many aren't so lucky because the physical addiction is there.

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I agree, although I’d gladly take kicking a codeine habit versus any other opiate. I’ve seen some of those large pharmaceutical grade bottles though, so I suppose that it’s like anything else, meaning if you take enough of it you’ll be hooked.

groganbootleg said:

Weed is NOT a gateway drug. Lets take your own example as evidence. You state that 90% of the league smokes. If that is true and your statement is true then we should expect that 90% of the league will move up to harder drugs. Seeing as how we have years of evidence to disprove that you would be completely wrong.

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From Danny Heifetz on theringer.com:

The trade comes less than a month after Gordon, who missed the first three weeks of training camp attending to his mental and physical health, returned to the Browns. Gordon, who has struggled with alcohol, Xanax, cocaine, marijuana, and codeine abuse in the past, was suspended from the league for multiple violations of the NFL’s substance abuse policy for more than 34 months between 2014 and his return in 2017.

As for my claim that weed can be a gateway drug: Is marijuana a gateway drug?

Doesn't mean that all, or even most people, who use it will graduate to hard drugs. But it does make some more susceptible to doing so. This guy is a junkie. An OD is definitely on the table. How likely that is, I have no idea. But it is far more likely in his case than for most NFL players.

Jackson 2 said:

I'll bet Hoyer' s overjoyed at being anyone's "baby sitter".

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He’s kinda lucky he’s still in the League.

People keep saying the media is declaring us done, but I haven’t actually seen anyone saying this lol.

Can't wait to see this.

A lot of us have been wondering if he can still play. Not sure if this has been posted in 62 pages and counting but his highlight reel from 2017 is indeed impressive. And as Deus pointed out earlier today he was on pace to break 1,000 yards after 5 games last year with a bad QB throwing to him.

Dragda said:

I’m an addict (Which may explain things to some of you). I’ve been in recovery for over 20 years. Any sip of booze, puff of weed, pain pill other than prescribed will likely kill me. Getting clean is hard, but I worked my ass off for it. Getting clean each subsequent time I relapsed was exponentially more difficult.

I have talent in my chosen field of employment. It wasn’t until I was no longer employable that I finally stopped for good. This isn’t everyone’s story. Many people quit before it gets to the level of dereliction. I hope Gordon is that guy, but odds are against him.

I’m hoping he somehow gets it and my team benefits. Moreso, as a fellow sufferer, I hope he loses the obsession to use and finds peace. Our record at year end pales to the insanity of addiction.

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I love this post.

My stepfather was an addict. Greatest person you'd ever meet, but couldn't kick it. Ended up dying of liver failure pretty young. I'm glad to hear you've come that far, and it makes me extremely frustrated to see the Patriots fans that are acting like Gordon is a moral monster or appear to be actively rooting against him. Hell, I was rooting for him when he was with the Browns. Now? I hope he'll end up with a bust in Canton.

Bradyking12 said:

Can't wait to see this.

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Wait, Jabar Gaffney is coming back too?

Froob said:

Wait, Jabar Gaffney is coming back too?

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Courtesy of NFL. Guess they got image wrong correct me if I'm wrong.

Bradyking12 said:

Courtesy of NFL. Guess they got image wrong correct me if I'm wrong.

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Nah I’m just messing around because he’s wearing 10 in that image lol. Gaffney was low key one of the better receivers we had.

Can he return punts?

Froob said:

Nah I’m just messing around because he’s wearing 10 in that image lol. Gaffney was low key one of the better receivers we had.

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Oh never really got a good look at em, just highlights lol, and recent artwork from today.

TomPatriot said:

He’s kinda lucky he’s still in the League.

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We're kinda lucky to get him.

Patjew said:

Can he return punts?

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If my memory serves, I think he can.

PatsFan2 said:

We're kinda lucky to get him.

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Gordon? Maybe. Hoyer? No.

Ole Bret farce was strung slap out on OxyContin and Vicodin, he played several years hooked through the nut bag

Patjew said:

Can he return punts?

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Can he stop the run too?

Dragda said:

I’m an addict (Which may explain things to some of you). I’ve been in recovery for over 20 years. Any sip of booze, puff of weed, pain pill other than prescribed will likely kill me. Getting clean is hard, but I worked my ass off for it. Getting clean each subsequent time I relapsed was exponentially more difficult.

I have talent in my chosen field of employment. It wasn’t until I was no longer employable that I finally stopped for good. This isn’t everyone’s story. Many people quit before it gets to the level of dereliction. I hope Gordon is that guy, but odds are against him.

I’m hoping he somehow gets it and my team benefits. Moreso, as a fellow sufferer, I hope he loses the obsession to use and finds peace. Our record at year end pales to the insanity of addiction.

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I tip my hat to you. Been around a lot of people whom have suffered. You made it because you are one strong SOB.
It pains me in my occupation to see kids suffer. Josh I believe is one of them. Maybe he is at that stage where it is not constant but lingering. Being around a stable environment and the threat that could be his last chance to stabilize his life mentally and monetarily empowers him like it did yourself. Stay strong my friend

dafoe2016 said:

From Danny Heifetz on theringer.com:

The trade comes less than a month after Gordon, who missed the first three weeks of training camp attending to his mental and physical health, returned to the Browns. Gordon, who has struggled with alcohol, Xanax, cocaine, marijuana, and codeine abuse in the past, was suspended from the league for multiple violations of the NFL’s substance abuse policy for more than 34 months between 2014 and his return in 2017.

As for my claim that weed can be a gateway drug: Is marijuana a gateway drug?

Doesn't mean that all, or even most people, who use it will graduate to hard drugs. But it does make some more susceptible to doing so. This guy is a junkie. An OD is definitely on the table. How likely that is, I have no idea. But it is far more likely in his case than for most NFL players.

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On the scale of gateway drugs, Alcohol is an 8 and THC is maybe a 3 or 4. Focus on the booze.

THC is a gateway to good music, a bag of Funyuns and a pint of Ben and Jerry’s.

As for ODing on THC, good luck. The LD50 value for it is something like a gram per kg of body weight.

So a 225 lb guy (102kg) would have to consume 102g of pure THC. That’s 3.6oz (not weed oz, pure THC oz).

Now the pharmas? Ya he could OD. But so could any other guy in the NFL popping pain meds. It’s why big pharma hates THC and CBD so much. Mother Nature beat em.

EDIT TO ADD - My point here isn’t to ignore his illness. He has a sick demon in him and needs all the support he can get to keep it at bay. I wish him nothing but success in that endeavor, regardless of what happens on the field.

My point is more with the 1950s Reefer Madness you seem to be peddling