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brady
hannah
gronk
ty law(this was real close with tippet,but i just love a guy that can shut down a side of the field)
Nice second post in 7 years. Love your name, too. Don't be a stranger!
 
Players only:

Brady
Hannah
Tippett

Stanley Morgan, Ty Law, and Gronk are my choices for #4. Gronk is probably the right answer, but Stanley Morgan is so underrated, my heart chooses him.
 
Just a little off topic BUT...there were a couple of years when Tip was All Pro when visiting players and coaches would say after a game.."yeah, Andre is a great player but the guy you gotta watch out for is that # 55". Don Blackmon was a supreme talent whose career was seriously damaged by unfortunate knee injuries.

Yes, yes, yes. Blackmon was my favorite player as a kid. Anyone who is too young to have seen him, just watch the '85 AFCCG in Miami. The player of the game. Dominant.
 
ESPN (I know, I know) is doing Mt. Puckmore for the NHL teams. I found it pretty interesting. For you Bruin’s fans, it was: Bergeron, Orr, Bourque and Milt Schmidt (old time defenseman)..

So I thought, who would be my Patriot’s Mt. Rushmore ? Though the Pats have had a lot of greats during the Dynasty years, they had some greats during the so-so years. So I found it pretty tough figuring out who my 4 should be. Here are mine:

Brady
Gronk
Tippett
Hannah

It was a really tough thing to think about, with so many greats, and leaving out some guys like Mike Haynes, Gino Cappelletti, Stanley Morgan, Sam Cunningham, Randy Moss, etc. But those are my 4, who is on your Mt. Rushmore of the Patriots ?

P.S. If it wasn’t a player only thing, obviously Belichick would be on my Mt. Rushmore.
Why is this called Pat's edition? Isn't your name Scott? :confused:
 
Well since MT Rushmore is just presidents, I'm going just QB's since it seems clear, obvious and perfect...
Brady, Bledsoe, Grogan, Capelleti
Could put Plunkett there laying in front after a sack for good measure... ; )
 
Well since MT Rushmore is just presidents, I'm going just QB's since it seems clear, obvious and perfect...
Brady, Bledsoe, Grogan, Capelleti
Could put Plunkett there laying in front after a sack for good measure... ; )
Cappelletti was a wide receiver and kicker, not a QB.
 
Cappelletti was a wide receiver and kicker, not a QB.
Patriots Quarterbacks Mount Rushmore:

Tom Brady
Steve Grogan
Babe Parilli
Jim Plunkett
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Had he stayed here, Flutie would have easily passed Plunkett


Bledsoe might rank just ahead of Eason...maybe
 
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Brady and Hannah are the obvious two. The other 2 spots are debatable, but the list is short. Tippett is understandably given strong consideration in this thread and deservedly so. Ditto Gronk. I'm just surprised how little notice Bruce Armstrong is getting. 2nd most games played in franchise history, whole career with the Pats. Guy was a multi-Pro Bowler and considered by Bruce Smith the best LT he faced. He just suffered the worst timing a career could possibly face and I think gets overlooked because of that.

Regards,
Chris
 
Three have to be Brady, Hannah, and Tippett. Brady is obvious and how can you not pick two pro football HoFers who spent their entire careers here?

The 4th is tough, though. Could make a good argument for quite a few different people.
 
Three have to be Brady, Hannah, and Tippett. Brady is obvious and how can you not pick two pro football HoFers who spent their entire careers here?

The 4th is tough, though. Could make a good argument for quite a few different people.
I love Andre, but it's tough to put him ahead of Houston, Gino, or Bruce.
 
Steve Grogan needs some advocacy here, even though he toiled on many teams that sucked. On second thought after reviewing his stats do not think so.. sometimes things seem rosier and brighter in the rear view mirror, it is that freaking facts thing..

Steve Grogan Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com
 
I think the list starts with Brady and Hannah. If you are including coaches BB obviuosly is on. Gronk IMHO is the best TE I've ever seen play the game and Tippet if not for LT would might be talked about in a different regard on a league scale. I think the one player people may be overlooking is Mike Haynes. He was one of the smoothest corners, could cover any type of receiver big, physical, tall, fast it didn't matter the guy was one of the all time greats.

All that said...
Brady
Hannah
Tippet
Gronk
 
I think the list starts with Brady and Hannah. If you are including coaches BB obviuosly is on. Gronk IMHO is the best TE I've ever seen play the game and Tippet if not for LT would might be talked about in a different regard on a league scale. I think the one player people may be overlooking is Mike Haynes. He was one of the smoothest corners, could cover any type of receiver big, physical, tall, fast it didn't matter the guy was one of the all time greats.

All that said...
Brady
Hannah
Tippet
Gronk

Haynes was excellent.
 
Steve Grogan needs some advocacy here, even though he toiled on many teams that sucked. On second thought after reviewing his stats do not think so.. sometimes things seem rosier and brighter in the rear view mirror, it is that freaking facts thing..

Steve Grogan Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Numbers do not tell the whole story.

Two seminal and earth-shaking events destroyed Super Bowl aspirations for the Pats in the 70's: Ben Dreith and his crew, and Jack Tatum. Both occurred at the same venue within 19+ months of each other. Imagine the Pats this century, minus Troy Brown. We also had the misfortune of losing Julius Adams in Game 1 for the season in '78. Not to mention Billy Sullivan screwing us in '77 in the Hannah/Gray holdout.

We played on a concrete surface at old Schaefer Stadium, and Steve suffered a plethora of injuries to rival anyone's in the sport. And mostly, he played through them. Six interceptions at Candlestick in '80 comes to mind. He even signed an insurance waiver to play at the end, wearing that huge neck brace.

While Jim Plunkett put us on the map in '74 - look at the game results, you'll see that was a very good team that very narrowly lost four games by a total of twelve points, and two others by only a touchdown - it was Grogan who led the Pats to national prominence, with an offense as good as any in the league. It was much harder to make the postseason then, and the Pats played in the dominant AFC.

Steve played hurt. Enough that by the time Tony Eason was drafted, the organization, along with everybody else in football, wrote him off as being, in his own words, "old and beat up."

But after piling up a record number of sacks and interceptions, Eason finally got knocked out of a game vs. the Bills on 10/13/85, and Grogan creaked onto the field, and led the young talented Pats to six straight wins, calling his own plays. After breaking his leg at the Meadowlands, Steve was active and ready for Super Bowl XX. But coach Raymond Berry, who overlooked the fact that the Patriots would need more than an advantage in turnovers, and would need a controlled, steady, grinding effort led by the quarterback with far more experience, savvy and knowledge than Eason - or McMahon, for that matter - to have a chance to pull off one of the major sports upsets in history; and who devised a game plan that required Eason to magically transform into Dan Marino; and/or who decided it was more important to spare the kid's feelings after the team won four straight games facing elimination.

The next season, Grogan once again was brilliant when called upon, but Berry once again started Eason (when he was healthy) and the team once again was eliminated in Denver.

By the time Eason was finally released (after legend Doug Flutie was also benched in favor of him, destroying the 1988 season), Grogan was very close to retirement.

Steve Grogan led the Patriots to a total of 75 wins. The percentage of those wins which qualify as "huge", and "clutch", and against favored teams under challenging circumstances rivals that of any other quarterback, period. And, he has more career wins than Lamonica, Jurgensen, Morrall, Conerly, Namath, & Kilmer.

Steve Grogan - Wikipedia

At the time of his retirement, Grogan led the franchise as the all-time leader in passing yards (26,886) and passing touchdowns (182). He is third in passing yards and passing touchdowns behind Tom Brady and Drew Bledsoe. His 16 seasons are the second most ever for a Patriots player, behind Tom Brady. He also held the Patriots previous single-game record with a 153.9 quarterback rating, achieved by completing 13-of-18 passes for 315 yards with five touchdowns and no interceptions against the New York Jets on September 9, 1979, before Drew Bledsoe posted a perfect 158.3 rating against the Indianapolis Colts on December 26, 1993.

Statistically, Grogan's best season was the Patriots 1979 season, when he completed 206 of 423 passes for 3,286 yards and 28 touchdowns, rushing for 368 yards and 2 touchdowns. His 28 touchdown passes led the league, tied with Brian Sipe of Cleveland, and his rushing yards led the league for quarterbacks

Grogan rushed for 2,176 yards (4.9 per carry) and 35 touchdowns during his career,[19] a mark which places him as the Patriots' fourth overall in rushing touchdowns.[19] With Grogan, the Patriots made the playoffs five times (1976, 1978, 1982, 1985, and 1986 as a backup). Before Grogan was drafted, the Patriots made the playoffs just once from 1960-1974.

Grogan's injuries and his toughness in response to them are also part of his legacy. One sports writer for the Boston Globe, wrote of the "Grogan Toughness Meter" in 2003. The writer, Nick Cafardo, gave a partial listing of Grogan's injuries over his 16-year career: "Five knee surgeries; screws in his leg after the tip of his fibula snapped; a cracked fibula that snapped when he tried to practice; two ruptured disks in his neck, which he played with for 1 1/2 seasons; a broken left hand (he simply handed off with his right hand); two separated shoulders on each side; the reattachment of a tendon to his throwing elbow; and three concussions."
 
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Haynes was excellent.
And he always took the high road.

He was as gracious off the field, as he was graceful on it.

Including just days after the debacle in Oakland, at Christmas 1976, accepting the UPI AFC and NFL Rookie of the Year honors.
 
Numbers do not tell the whole story.

Two seminal and earth-shaking events destroyed Super Bowl aspirations for the Pats in the 70's: Ben Dreith and his crew, and Jack Tatum. Both occurred at the same venue - snip -

We loved Grogan, he was the crown favorite for his toughness, but having witnessed it first hand, Eason was a better passer. Look at his 84 and 86 Seasons, especially 86 since he posted a solid season with no running game to speak of. Crowd hated him because of Hannah's comments and that he wasn't Grogan, still a better passer though.
He's in my top 4, buy Brady obviously is 1 with Bledsoe solid at 2 IMHO.
 
We loved Grogan, he was the crown favorite for his toughness, but having witnessed it first hand, Eason was a better passer. Look at his 84 and 86 Seasons, especially 86 since he posted a solid season with no running game to speak of. Crowd hated him because of Hannah's comments and that he wasn't Grogan, still a better passer though.
I'm glad to hear a Pats fan who appreciates Tony's effort and ability.

But...Ryan Leaf is a better passer than Tom Brady.

In every category, Eason was never in Grogan's league. Awareness, avoiding sacks and picks, timing, clutch plays at clutch times in games, leadership. Oh, and rushing. In '84 Eason set a record for being sacked. We will never know how far Steve would have taken us in '86, if he'd been allowed to stay in there.
Brady obviously is 1 with Bledsoe solid at 2 IMHO.
Bledsoe, like Eason (and John Elway) was a #1 pick, paid a lot of money, given the starter's job with no competition, had a good arm, threw for a lot of yards and...well...he's a good guy, very well liked...

...would I ever start Drew ahead of a healthy and active Jim Plunkett, or Steve Grogan, or Doug Flutie in a game I was interested in winning?
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Lol, tell me how you really feel! Great post.
 
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