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Fundamentally altering the defense because of some vague “lack of focus” would be a very poor decision. Not altering it in the face of a historically bad performance was catastrophic.
How could you call a coach preparing his team for a SB seeing that his players not focused and struggling with picking up the game plan, when the player admits it, vague?
And he did alter it. Just not by bringing the guy you wanted him to.
 
Why does what matter
I would think it seems pretty clear. If there is "No justifying this one" and "little interest in any kind of apology or explanation because none would justify the decision." then why does it matter to you that there has been none?
 
How could you call a coach preparing his team for a SB seeing that his players not focused and struggling with picking up the game plan, when the player admits it, vague?
And he did alter it. Just not by bringing the guy you wanted him to.
He didn’t correct his idiotic decision.
 
I would think it seems pretty clear. If there is "No justifying this one" and "little interest in any kind of apology or explanation because none would justify the decision." then why does it matter to you that there has been none?
It doesn’t.
 
Jesus, Bill could blow a guy’s brains out at the 50 yard line during a prime time, nationally televised game and some of you would still excuse it. Kind of sad, really. This bad boy is really cut and dry. He made a decision that weakened what had been the strength of an underwhelming defensive unit and made that entire side of the ball a weakness. There literally was not one level of the defense that one could point to as a strength because the secondary was now compromised. As a result, they got tuned up. Foles didn’t even break a sweat because his first and second read was routinely open and he was able to get the ball out of his hands quickly. And all Bill had to do was insert one player for one more game before they moved on in the offseason. The name of the game is to WIN SUPER BOWLS. Not have the most disciplined team on the field and hope to God that #12 bails your **** defense out again. His idiocy that night cost Brady what would have been viewed as the all time greatest performance on the biggest stage. Now it will merely be talked about as a footnote in football history with the caveat that the team lost the game. It’s mind boggling that some of you are cool with that and even go to lengths to try to excuse it because, you know, Bill.
 
Should he need to apologize if he and the coaching staff felt that Butler had been looking out of position lately, and that his illness (or whatever it was) had set him back a bit in the game planning and prep? There was even some chatter that they wanted to bench him in the AFC Championship game, so it’s possible that the coaches didn’t evaluate Butler’s play as well as some of the fans did.

I mean, obviously he made the wrong decision by assuming that Eric Rowe could hold his own, and more importantly, not switching Butler at halftime, but I’m sure that Belichick feels pretty lousy about all of his hard work and late nights being completely flushed down the toilet. I’m sure that it stings pretty badly. Justifiable or not, it was a coaching decision that didn’t work out. We’ve seen a ton of examples in all of the major sports over the years that have either been controversial or were simply failures. I don’t remember too many times when a coach apologized to anyone, and the majority of them couldn’t hold Belichick’s jock.

There were a lot of other variables in the game such as only scoring 12 points at the half, allowing a game ending strip sack from Mason, Brady missing a wide open White on the checkdown, Gost missing some kicks, Cooks’ strange decision to try and wedge his penis into the face mask of a defender instead of scoring an easy TD, and at least 2-3 calls that the NFL officials completely botched under their “change the rules on the fly” policy implemented for the postseason.

I’m not saying that Belichick did/didn’t make a mistake. I’m saying that it’s much easier to criticize him in hindsight, and I think some are being a bit hard on him and his decision. Malcolm Butler would’ve increased the odds of winning, but it’s not the sure thing that some here believe that is, either. Any one of those previously mentioned variables falling our way would’ve increased the odds of winning just the same. Ultimately, the absence of Butler was one piece, not the entire puzzle that a lot of people make it out to be.
Of course he does not need to apologize. Though I don't think it reflects well on Bill when he refuses to shed any light on his poor decisions.

Benching Butler was a poor decision...a terrible one that probably cost the team a championship. That is something that a coach should at least try to provide a real explanation for other than the 'tried to do what gave us the best chance to win' non answer.

From the sound of it he never gave his own team a proper explanation, which is even worse.

I don't care if he makes an excuse for the decision, just say something of substance. Otherwise it looks like he is hiding from it and I'd like to think better of the GOAT HC.

IF it was a football decision as has been claimed he should have no problem doing so.
 
Jesus, Bill could blow a guy’s brains out at the 50 yard line during a prime time, nationally televised game and some of you would still excuse it. Kind of sad, really. This bad boy is really cut and dry. He made a decision that weakened what had been the strength of an underwhelming defensive unit and made that entire side of the ball a weakness. There literally was not one level of the defense that one could point to as a strength because the secondary was now compromised. As a result, they got tuned up. Foles didn’t even break a sweat because his first and second read was routinely open and he was able to get the ball out of his hands quickly. And all Bill had to do was insert one player for one more game before they moved on in the offseason. The name of the game is to WIN SUPER BOWLS. Not have the most disciplined team on the field and hope to God that #12 bails your **** defense out again. His idiocy that night cost Brady what would have been viewed as the all time greatest performance on the biggest stage. Now it will merely be talked about as a footnote in football history with the caveat that the team lost the game. It’s mind boggling that some of you are cool with that and even go to lengths to try to excuse it because, you know, Bill.
I don't think anyones cool with it. You put all the blame on BB. I put all the blame on Butler. But get the hell out of here with your blow a guys brains out analogy even if I take your stance that it was completely BBs fault hasn't he earned way more good will than a murderer. This might be your worst post of all time.
 
I don't think anyones cool with it. You put all the blame on BB. I put all the blame on Butler. But get the hell out of here with your blow a guys brains out analogy even if I take your stance that it was completely BBs fault hasn't he earned way more good will than a murderer. This might be your worst post of all time.

You seem to either have completely missed the point, while at the same time Confirmed what Kontrarian said by defending BB in this completely made up scenerio.

Bravo.
 
I don't think anyones cool with it. You put all the blame on BB. I put all the blame on Butler. But get the hell out of here with your blow a guys brains out analogy even if I take your stance that it was completely BBs fault hasn't he earned way more good will than a murderer. This might be your worst post of all time.
It’s called hyperbole. It’s worthwhile to use from time to time. The point is that there’s not a whole lot Bill can do to turn the opinion of the run of the mill homer and standard Belichick fan. You just proved that. And Butler didn’t bench himself. That call was made by Bill and Bill stuck with it even after it was painfully obvious that he needed Butler’s services back there. But hey, at least the team was disciplined. They didn’t win the Super Bowl or anything, but at least they can say they were the most disciplined team on the field that night. Maybe there’s a banner for that? We can ask the Colts. They’re good at taking pride at being the runner up just like a few posters around this place are.
 
You seem to either have completely missed the point, while at the same time Confirmed what Kontrarian said by defending BB in this completely made up scenerio.

Bravo.
That might be the most apt and hilarious misspelling of my username yet.
 
I have little interest in any kind of apology or explanation because none would justify the decision.

I typically appreciate your balanced take, but no justifying this one. And it’s not hindsight and it’s so much worse than the examples you cited...it’d be like Cooks taking his moronic leap over and over and over again until the Pats lost.
Fair enough. It’s quite the controversial subject. As I said, I think not putting Butler in at the half was a mistake, but I don’t see a need for anyone to “apologize,” which is the comment that I was responding to.

That said, I still think that some are being too hard on a coach whose passion it is to win games, especially without knowing what the actual truth is. We’re all just speculating. On field, off the field, illness that week—who knows? I also think while having Butler in there would’ve increased the odds of winning, I personally don’t feel that it was the slam dunk that some believe it to be. He’s not Deion in his prime FFS. Butler played poorly plenty of times during his time here, and last year was the worst year of his career. I still think he was much better than Rowe and I think that’s where the mistake was made, but Belichick apparently disagreed.

Also, I’m not sure why you’d look past the other examples of mistakes made by players that contributed to the loss. There’s plenty of blame to go around besides benching Butler. It was a big piece of the puzzle, but it most certainly wasn’t the entire puzzle, and all of the talk about Belichick throwing the game etc is silly. You win some and lose some. Players don’t perform to the standard and are replaced all of the time. It wasn’t a good move in my opinion, but I’m not Belichick and I don’t have all of the facts. Neither does anyone else posting here.
 
Damn, this horse is dead.
When all is said and done- we only have the facts- the posters who are 100% blaming BB are basing that SOLELY on conjecture and specualtion.
Some of that conjecture and speculation MIGHT be right- or wrong- but WE DON'T KNOW.
I think Supa and Andy's stances are more reasonable since they're based only on the known facts.
Look, we can all agree on one thing: that SB loss was painful. Not as painful as some others(2007!!!!), but painful nonetheless.
I think I have a different view than pretty much everyone else in this thread, which is why I've mostly stayed out of the thread.
Im a huge Malcolm Butler fan. I'm a huge BB fan. Neither has changed because of the SB. To me, neither one is to blame. I have big respect for both.
We don't know why what happened, happened. Guess what? I don't care. I don't need to know. And I'm not gonna torture myself with wondering why. I don't need an explanation.
I know the Pats will have a serious shot of winning #6 this year. I know they'll be fun to watch. I KNOW I'm gonna enjoy the HELL outta watching em this year.
Brady. Gronk. JE. High. Gilmore. The Rooks. Flowers. C'mon y'all, get over it.
We're lucky as ****. Imagine being a sorry-ass jests fan reading this thread, thinking what a bunch of spoiled babies.
Other fans might call us cheaters but every freakin' one of em would give their left nut to be in our shoes.
 
He didn’t correct his idiotic decision.
How does that make it vague?

He made a decision and stuck to it.
As I laid out the scenario it was neither idiotic or something a coach would typically reconsider.

You said there had been no reasonable explanation offered and I gave you one, and now you are just crying.
 
You have to love how people want to end a debate when they know they’ve lost.

Two things: First, no one should ever concern themselves with what a Jets fan might think. Secondly, there are many people incarcerated tonight based on circumstantial evidence only.

The preponderance of evidence leads a reasonable person to believe Belichick benched Butler not because it gave his team the best chance to win which is his job but out of a fit of anger against a player he obviously didn’t like or, as I suspect, as an act of revenge against an owner who for the first time in 17 years didn’t let him have his way.

Why does it matter? Well, bad judgement leads to more bad judgement especially when emotions govern those decisions. Who knows maybe Belichick would trade another all-pro LB for another conditional 3rd rounder, or a possible franchise QB for only a 2nd rounder. Then, he can trade the GOAT TE for a 3rd rounder to a team he trusts. What!
 
How does that make it vague?

He made a decision and stuck to it.
As I laid out the scenario it was neither idiotic or something a coach would typically reconsider.

You said there had been no reasonable explanation offered and I gave you one, and now you are just crying.
No, but you deciding not to block me anymore makes me feel like crying.

You didn’t offer a reasonable explanation. Not playing your starting quarterback who played 98% of the snaps throughout the season and watching your team put on a historically bad defensive performance on the notion of “lack of focus” is vague and moronic. It’s sad you don’t think so but you’ve got blinders on.
 
Two things: First, no one should ever concern themselves with what a Jets fan might think. Secondly, there are many people incarcerated tonight based on circumstantial evidence only.
1. Who is the Jets fan that responded in this thread?

2. Some of those people who are incarcerated based purely on circumstantial evidence are most certainly innocent, so I’m not understanding the analogy.
 
Jesus, Bill could blow a guy’s brains out at the 50 yard line during a prime time, nationally televised game and some of you would still excuse it. Kind of sad, really. This bad boy is really cut and dry. He made a decision that weakened what had been the strength of an underwhelming defensive unit and made that entire side of the ball a weakness. There literally was not one level of the defense that one could point to as a strength because the secondary was now compromised. As a result, they got tuned up. Foles didn’t even break a sweat because his first and second read was routinely open and he was able to get the ball out of his hands quickly. And all Bill had to do was insert one player for one more game before they moved on in the offseason. The name of the game is to WIN SUPER BOWLS. Not have the most disciplined team on the field and hope to God that #12 bails your **** defense out again. His idiocy that night cost Brady what would have been viewed as the all time greatest performance on the biggest stage. Now it will merely be talked about as a footnote in football history with the caveat that the team lost the game. It’s mind boggling that some of you are cool with that and even go to lengths to try to excuse it because, you know, Bill.
It's amazing this thread continues to go on about an ex-player. I wonder how long this will continue? The fact that there's people on here that actually support BB's decision is beyond ridiculous. As the days go by, I believe more and more that this was the tip of the iceberg for Brady after he found out after the game Butler didn't play. This reminds me of LeBron's towel on the face reaction to Tyron Lue when asking how many timeouts they had before the end of regulation in game 1 of the Finals. LeBron was defeated. Despite Bulter's "drop off" in play, there was nobody on the team that was better than him. NOBODY! That's why it was such a stupid a** move by BB. To think he could't have...I don't know make a play like he did to win the game for them in 2014? In my opinion, benching Butler in the biggest game of the year, after playing 17 games is the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen a coach do. Especially since Butler bailed them out against the Seahawks a few years back. That move flat out sabotaged the entire team, not just Brady. If it weren't for Butler's miracle play, I think they get routed against Atlanta and we'd still be wondering if Brady will ever win a 4th Super Bowl.

I don't think anyones cool with it. You put all the blame on BB. I put all the blame on Butler. But get the hell out of here with your blow a guys brains out analogy even if I take your stance that it was completely BBs fault hasn't he earned way more good will than a murderer. This might be your worst post of all time.
Last time I checked, BB decides who plays. Your statement proves Kontra's point.
 
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