OT: TO Declines to Attend Hall of Fame Ceremony

He's absolutely a HOF player. Regardless if he's 1st ballot or not. I think theres a case to be made on both sides of that argument. Anyway he lets people that have no business renting space in his head, to live inside there 24/7. The process is extremely flawed, everyone knows & understands that. To get this upset over it is literally crazy. Sad all that money, resources etc and he's still a mental case.









Btw if its not clear to some, TO is hopping on any wagon he can hitch to at this point and looking get relevant again.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

He's absolutely a HOF player. Regardless if he's 1st ballot or not. I think theres a case to be made on both sides of that argument. Anyway he lets people that have no business renting space in his head, to live inside there 24/7. The process is extremely flawed, everyone knows & understands that. To get this upset over it is literally crazy. Sad all that money, resources etc and he's still a mental case.









Btw if its not clear to some, TO is hopping on any wagon he can hitch to at this point and looking get relevant again.

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Jason Whitlock is a gigantic moron. TO is a head case but at least he has accomplished something (great).

Kdo5 said:

He got screwed over and should have been first ballot. Can't blame him if some resentment is the reason for it,

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Look at which receivers got in first ballot....

lancerman said:

Look at which receivers got in first ballot....

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As a top 3 receiver over the past 30 years (at least), yeah it’s sheer stupidity to think he shouldn’t be first ballot.

Kdo5 said:

As a top 3 receiver over the past 30 years (at least), yeah it’s sheer stupidity to think he shouldn’t be first ballot.

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Not really. 5 WR’s made it first ballot since the merger. Raymond Berry. Paul Warfield. Steve Largent. Jerry Rice. Randy Moss.

Every single one of them was First Team All Decade. TO wasn’t.

Berry retired with the All Time Record for Receptions and TD’s. Both Largent and Rice had all 3 major receiving all time records when they retired. Warfield retired with and still has the All Timr Recird for yards per reception with at least over 300 receptions. Moss retired with the single season TD record. TO retired with zero all time records or single season records.

Berry is largely viewed as the best WR of the 50’s and pre Super Bowl era with Hutson who was before him being the only person in the argument against him. Warfield was considered the best of the 70’s and the best of the early Super Bowl era. Largent was the best of his era and had an argument for being GOAT when he retired. Rice was the best of his era and is largely considered GOAT. Moss is considered the best of his era. TO is considered behind Moss, not the best of his era, and is nearly universally considered 3rd.

The standard for WR’s being first ballot doesn’t favor TO

Kdo5 said:

As a top 3 receiver over the past 30 years (at least), yeah it’s sheer stupidity to think he shouldn’t be first ballot.

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Again, prior to this year only ONE WR who played the bulk of his career after the rules changes in '94 was inducted on the 1st ballot (Rice). Comparing anyone that played their entire career after '94 to anyone who did it before then makes no sense. I think he should have been in on the 1st ballot but it's not 'sheer stupidity' to think he shouldn't have gotten in on the 1st when the yardstick is Jerry F Rice.

maust1013 said:

Again, prior to this year only ONE WR who played the bulk of his career after the rules changes in '94 was inducted on the 1st ballot (Rice). Comparing anyone that played their entire career after '94 to anyone who did it before then makes no sense. I think he should have been in on the 1st ballot but it's not 'sheer stupidity' to think he shouldn't have gotten in on the 1st when the yardstick is Jerry F Rice.

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It is absolutely sheer stupidity. And I don’t like TO any more than the rest of you.

Kdo5 said:

It is absolutely sheer stupidity. And I don’t like TO any more than the rest of you.

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It’s rwally not. You could literally say all 5 first ballot HOF’ers were never considered as low as 3 and all retired with greater accolades than TO.

lancerman said:

It’s rwally not. You could literally say all 5 first ballot HOF’ers were never considered as low as 3 and all retired with greater accolades than TO.

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Did they really retire with greater accolades than TO? Aside from Rice I mean.

Kdo5 said:

It is absolutely sheer stupidity. And I don’t like TO any more than the rest of you.

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Well since you said it twice and with such added cogent reasoning to back it up the second time I will be sure to reconsider my opinion of the leg those that disagree stand on.
Personally I think the only people that should be passing judgement on TO as a team mate are the guys that played with him and not the Ron Borges and Peter King types I believe his production merited a 1st ballot selection. The process is so inherently flawed we are in fact arguing about the merits of the decision making process of guys we'd just as soon punch in the head. I'd rather the HoF selection committee be made up exclusively of HoF'ers, then even if we disagree with their selection we might be able to at least say they're credible selectors.

Kdo5 said:

Did they really retire with greater accolades than TO? Aside from Rice I mean.

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Yes. Rice and Largent had all 3 major WR stats. Berry had 2 of 3. Warfield still owns the yard per reception record to any reasonable standard. Moss owns the single season TD record. All 5 were First Team All Decade (TO wasn’t). There’s not a single one that was considered as low as third of all time when they retired. Also none of them had a peer in their era considered superior to them.

Kdo5 said:

Did they really retire with greater accolades than TO? Aside from Rice I mean.

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Absolutely, not to mention no one breathed a sigh of relief when they departed. It's worth keeping in mind that all of them chose retirement, they didn't have it thrust on them.

maust1013 said:

Absolutely, not to mention no one breathed a sigh of relief when they departed. It's worth keeping in mind that all of them chose retirement, they didn't have it thrust on them.

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None of this means squat.

lancerman said:

Yes. Rice and Largent had all 3 major WR stats. Berry had 2 of 3. Warfield still owns the yard per reception record to any reasonable standard. Moss owns the single season TD record. All 5 were First Team All Decade (TO wasn’t). There’s not a single one that was considered as low as third of all time when they retired. Also none of them had a peer in their era considered superior to them.

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I think TO was a tremendous receiver and without doubt one of the greatest of all time. If you want to argue that some of those guys (other than Rice or Moss) were better, you may be right although it's not as if TO is far behind at all.

Also just because someone wasn't the best of his era doesn't mean a lot. It just speaks to the fact that the two greatest of all time just happened to play in or around the same era.

TO is deserving of the HOF. Whether he shows up or not is beside the point.

#3 all time in TDs behind only Rice and Randy Moss.

NFL Receiving Touchdowns Career Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Kdo5 said:

None of this means squat.


I think TO was a tremendous receiver and without doubt one of the greatest of all time. If you want to argue that some of those guys (other than Rice or Moss) were better, you may be right although it's not as if TO is far behind at all.

Also just because someone wasn't the best of his era doesn't mean a lot. It just speaks to the fact that the two greatest of all time just happened to play in or around the same era.

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Yeah all I'm saying is the standard for being a first ballot WR is incredibly. So it's not insane that he waited a little

goheels22002 said:

TO is deserving of the HOF. Whether he shows up or not is beside the point.

#3 all time in TDs behind only Rice and Randy Moss.

NFL Receiving Touchdowns Career Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

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And he's in

BaconGrundleCandy said:

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In this case, Whitlock is 100% correct.

Feck to.

I would never, Ever vote for him...or for ANY of the steroid cheats in baseball.

The HoF is apparently having no trouble getting down to T.O.'s level
Hall of Fame will largely ignore Terrell Owens during enshrinement ceremony

maust1013 said:

The HoF is apparently having no trouble getting down to T.O.'s level
Hall of Fame will largely ignore Terrell Owens during enshrinement ceremony

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Like him or not (I was never a big fan of T.O.), this is so petty from the HoF. They need to get over themselves.

maust1013 said:

The HoF is apparently having no trouble getting down to T.O.'s level
Hall of Fame will largely ignore Terrell Owens during enshrinement ceremony

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Great move. That will eat away at him like there's no tomorrow.