Patriots future QB and their path to him

PatriotsNumero1Fan · May 1, 2018

I predict bill will say that the draft prospects suck and trade for 2020 picks. He has already done it two consecutive years

Sfpat · May 1, 2018

lancerman said:
To get someone good we need it to be a draft where QB doesn't have 5 or more desperate teams. Basically.

This was a hot class and Cleveland/New York/Arizona/Buffalo NEEDED a QB desperately. Broncos might NEED a QB next year and if they do they will be positioned ahead of us. As will the New York Giants.

Aside from that.

Pittsburgh-not going first round with Ben still there.
Cleveland- not going first round again
Baltimore- not going first round
Cincinatti- depends on Dalton

Jets- not with Darnold there
Buffalo- not with Allen there.
Miami- possibly depending on how Tannehill and the team do.

Chargers-doubtful unless Rivers craps the bed
Kansas City- can't with the situation.
Denver- very possible
Raiders- not with Carr

Indianapolis- not with Luck
Tennessee- not with Mariota
Houston- not with Watson
Jacksonville- only if the team severely underperforms

Packers- lol
Bears- maybe
Vikings- no way
Detroit- Stafford will prevent this.

Seahawks- they have Wilson
Niners- they have Jimmy G
Arizona- they can't after Rosen
Rams- Goff

Eagles- Wentz
Cowboys- Dak
Giants- big possibility
Redskins- they will roll with Smith

Carolina- not with Cam
Tampa Bay- I think they will role with Winston
New Orleans- committed to Brees right now
Falcons- not with Ryan

So you are looking at a situation where Denver if Keenum doesn't pan out, Cincinatti if Dalton has a bad year, Miami depending on how they do, Chicago almost definitely, and NYG most likely.

That's 5 teams you will likely contend with for a top round QB next year. If those teams pick in the top 15 I think they will almost definitely take a QB. If they make the playoffs I think they won't.

I think you do need to spend a first rounder to gaurantee quality. However I think there will be less urgency than this year.

So you don't think the Bears will give Trubinski a 2nd year?

supafly · May 1, 2018

lancerman said:
To get someone good we need it to be a draft where QB doesn't have 5 or more desperate teams. Basically.

This was a hot class and Cleveland/New York/Arizona/Buffalo NEEDED a QB desperately. Broncos might NEED a QB next year and if they do they will be positioned ahead of us. As will the New York Giants.

Aside from that.

Pittsburgh-not going first round with Ben still there.
Cleveland- not going first round again
Baltimore- not going first round
Cincinatti- depends on Dalton

Jets- not with Darnold there
Buffalo- not with Allen there.
Miami- possibly depending on how Tannehill and the team do.

Chargers-doubtful unless Rivers craps the bed
Kansas City- can't with the situation.
Denver- very possible
Raiders- not with Carr

Indianapolis- not with Luck
Tennessee- not with Mariota
Houston- not with Watson
Jacksonville- only if the team severely underperforms

Packers- lol
Bears- maybe
Vikings- no way
Detroit- Stafford will prevent this.

Seahawks- they have Wilson
Niners- they have Jimmy G
Arizona- they can't after Rosen
Rams- Goff

Eagles- Wentz
Cowboys- Dak
Giants- big possibility
Redskins- they will roll with Smith

Carolina- not with Cam
Tampa Bay- I think they will role with Winston
New Orleans- committed to Brees right now
Falcons- not with Ryan

So you are looking at a situation where Denver if Keenum doesn't pan out, Cincinatti if Dalton has a bad year, Miami depending on how they do, Chicago almost definitely, and NYG most likely.

That's 5 teams you will likely contend with for a top round QB next year. If those teams pick in the top 15 I think they will almost definitely take a QB. If they make the playoffs I think they won't.

I think you do need to spend a first rounder to gaurantee quality. However I think there will be less urgency than this year.

This is predicated on the thought that there will be no new teams who are looking for QBs, which seems to be a stretch in my opinion.

Players get hurt. Teams suck. Quarterbacks have bad years. There will be a couple/few more teams in there who are interested in drafting a QB, which will be the same as most other years. You could be right that it will be less in 2019, though.

long distance · May 2, 2018

BobDigital said:
When will they pick the future guy and how likely is it they get one without having the mortgage everything? It's looking more likely after last draft. When a team drafts a guy in round 1 the general rule is generally for at least the next 2 drafts they don't try again after investing so much. Even longer if they sit him for a year.

CLV, NYJ, BUF AZ and BLT got their guys in round 1 so they are out the QB business for the next 2 years.

Counting trades and other QBs who will be getting their shot with teams or who have established themselves the teams who I believe are solid or stay with what they got at the spot the next 2 drafts are...

AFCE - NYJ, Buf
AFCN - Balt, Clv, Cin? Pit? (Pit may believe Mason is worth developing & I think Cinci likes Dalton)
AFCS - Ind, Ten, Hou Jax? (Lots of talk about Bortles but maybe they think he is worth keeping)
AFCW - KC, Oak
NFCE - Phi, Dal, Wash? (Maybe they are okay with Smith for a while)
NFCN - Min, Det, GB (Chicigo invested high in Trubisky but i think he's out in the next 2 years)
NFCS - Car, Atl, TB
NFCW - LAR SF AZ SEA

Pats, Mia, Cin? Pit?, Jax?, LAC, Den, NYG, Wash?, Chi., NO. So 7-10 teams will be looking in the next 2 years. Alot depends how teams feel about guys like Bortles, Smith, Rudolph and Tannehill as well how the Chargers sense of urgency when it comes to Rivers. If he plays to play to 40 they have 4 years to make a move. If not it's much sooner. Also with AZ I imagine they will look to trade Bradford to a QB needy team after this year. Maybe that takes 1 more off the list for a while.

All in all it be reasonable to assume only 8 teams will be looking for QB in the draft next 2 seasons.

Of those potential QB needy teams a few of them besides the Pats shouldn't be picking in the top 10 (Pit, NO, Jax, LAC). This makes trading up if they choose a lot less expensive and other teams may not feel the pressure to draft their guy in round 1 if they are okay with their situation that year and feel they are can a more developmental prospect.

While predicting the future is hard particularly in football the Patriots will probably in the next 2 drafts find themselves in a situation where higher rated QB prospects are falling late into round 1 and into round 2.

Overall I am hopeful a target we may want falls in our range over the next 2 drafts.

Was thinking some of the same things yesterday. A 2 year window seems most likely by most accounts (although with TB-BB you never know) and hopefully it is 2 full years. BB&co are not panicking of course but have no doubt they will turn every stone, not only Draft but FA and trade as well.

I agree the rush on QBs (Draft and FA) this year should give NE better chance to find their future QB . esp. if most of them stay healthy. Price tags in general - both Draft and FA - should be more affordable.

1. Less QB needy teams
2. Teams projected at the top of the draft already paid the price for their QB of the future in last 2 years
3. Spillover in FA from this years loading up

Here is a look at QB depth charts across the league and many are 4 QB deep.. (w plenty former high picks on the way out):

2018 NFL Depth Charts By Position | Ourlads.com

And while pats fans might not like most of the FA to be . we have no idea how BB & co feel about them.. Nobody (incl. Keenum) would bet Keenum would be such a solid pick up a year ago etc..

Of course drafting your future QB a year before you need him is a dream scenario but BB will not be dreaming..

PatsFanInVa · May 2, 2018

ChrisR2223 said:
Drew Lock baby
I have a feeling Cincy is our biggest obstacle to get him.

That's why all the stockpiling of picks.

Stock for lock.

PatsFanInVa · May 2, 2018

I joke there, btw.

Bourne Again Christian · May 2, 2018

Stock for lock has a ring to it

DSting · May 2, 2018

Stockpiling OL talent a step toward post-Brady? Take the pressure off a young QB by having a dominant OL seems like a good plan.

maineman209 · May 2, 2018

Personally, I think the Pats may need to resort to kidnapping a guy.

"This just in! The Browns #1 overall pick, QB Baker Mayfield, has gone missing! In other football news, the Patriots had a new QB throwing in OTAs today - Jake R. Hayfield."

long distance · May 2, 2018

DSting said:
Stockpiling OL talent a step toward post-Brady? Take the pressure off a young QB by having a dominant OL seems like a good plan.

Going Michel is a significant step in that direction as well incl. his smarts and strength in pass protection. (Caserio . in a slip of tongue . said /other/ RBs coming from college don't have a clue what PP is).

Adding 3-down potential O star in the Draft that can PP also prepares you better for the possible life after Gronk..

PatsFanInVa · May 2, 2018

Those thoughts are no doubt definitely in BB's head... if there's truth to ANY of the offseason reports of "friction"/distractions in Patslandm, I'm not a genius like Norman Einstein*, but I'd hazard a guess that BB wants to coach a few more years after Brady & burnish his legacy.

You can either be the coach who rode Brady, or you can prove that you had something to do with all those rings... in fact, we know the direction the arrow of authority points, and Brady knows there's much more in it for him going with that flow than resisting it... IN FACT, his ability to do so despite his self-evident ability to say "screw you I am the one true king" says volumes about why he's Brady and not a flash in the pan.

But what about Belichick? A little "Sympathy for the Devil," please. Without Brady, so goes the "BB's-not-a-great-coach" theory, he's done nothing (and can do nothing).

Classic Joker/Batman scenario... "You made me... You made me first... why argue about who made who..."

The irony. They're human like everybody else. They both bought into the mantra that the team wins or loses, not the individual. They both spread that gospel.

And at the end here they are trying to outlast each other, because ever since the one original billy badass micro-organism, everything alive has wanted to win.. some organisms more than others. In fact, the JETE cannot be explained using the standard logic of evolution.

But yeah I think BB is building for the future and I think it's a future he intends to be around for.

*I know it's Albert Einstein. When Joe Theisman (sp.) tied to say Albert Einstein, it came out "Norman Einstein." Apparently Joe knew a Norman Einstein in high school.

tasmlab · May 2, 2018

Ras-IR Dowling said:
Nick foles should also be a FA after the season.

SB MVP is still a back up. What's a poor slob gotta do to win a starting position these days? A third of the league is probably starting rookies...

maineman209 · May 2, 2018

PatsFanInVa said:
In fact, the JETE cannot be explained using the standard logic of evolution.

I recently read an article in Nature noting that certain species of pond scum haven't evolved in over a million years.

Ras-IR Dowling · May 2, 2018

tasmlab said:
SB MVP is still a back up. What's a poor slob gotta do to win a starting position these days? A third of the league is probably starting rookies...

He would be starting somewhere had he been a FA this offseason or if the eagles lowered their price tag on a possible trade.

broadwayjoe · May 2, 2018

I just wanted to add the Jets will be releasing one or more QB's sometime before the start of the regular season. And since the Pats usually pick up players within the division. What do you think about the following quarterbacks.

Christian Hackenberg

Bryce Petty

Teddy Bridgewater

VectorPrime · May 2, 2018

broadwayjoe said:
I just wanted to add the Jets will be releasing one or more QB's sometime before the start of the regular season. And since the Pats usually pick up players within the division. What do you think about the following quarterbacks.

Christian Hackenberg

Bryce Petty

Teddy Bridgewater

Teddy is the only one there with any value. And it isn’t much.

ivanvamp · May 2, 2018

I think the QB of the future is someone like JG - a quality player that slips to the 2nd or 3rd round, that, under the tutelage of BB and McDaniels, becomes a real legit upper level NFL starting QB. Of course, finding those guys aren't easy. Maybe we'll all be completely shocked and Etling actually is good. Who knows. But I don't see their next QB being a guy they trade up to get in the 1st round, or another team's castoff.

PatsFanInVa · May 2, 2018

maineman209 said:
I recently read an article in Nature noting that certain species of pond scum haven't evolved in over a million years.

Yes, but that is because they are successful in their niche.

Leaving the JETE still unexplained.

maineman209 · May 2, 2018

PatsFanInVa said:
Yes, but that is because they are successful in their niche.

Leaving the JETE still unexplained.

I'm guessing their population is artificially maintained by the various and sundry rules against actually killing and eating them. Otherwise, they'd have been extinct for about 40 years.

Big Bucks · May 2, 2018

I think there would be every chance that we could in the next three years spend two firsts on signing a franchised QB.

Will be interesting say if Mariota, Winston, Prescott, Wilson in 2020 and Wentz, Cousins and Newton in 2021 are franchised.

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