The PATS Are One Of The Worst Teams Drafting Players.

RONDO · Apr 28, 2018

Yes, here and there they hit on one or two but overall they are terrible. I was watching Boston Sports Tonight and they hit the nail on the head: they don’t draft for need but for the best player available. So, if the best players available are offensive lineman they will draft them no matter whether they have holes at Safety, Linebacker, CB, DL, etc. If they need a safety because McCourty not only got torched in the Superbowl but is in his 30’s and slowing down they won’t move up to get someone who will improve the position over time.

They needed a DL who is a force? They needed a cover corner? They needed a Linebacker who can cover running backs? They needed our future QB?

So, what they do is when the football season starts if they are getting their asses kicked in the regular season they start giving away draft picks for other teams’ throwaways. Sometime they hit and sometimes they don’t.

They had four picks in the top 64. They should have gotten four rookies who will either start or get in the games in their first season given the holes on this team. Instead, they pick of an OL who might not be a LT, a running back in the first round with medical history, trade back twice in the second with basically not using one of these picks until next year, and drafting a CB who can’t cover man to man downfield. And no QB backup.

I watched teams like Tennessee trade up and get quality players ahead of the PATS. When Brady is gone, it’s over. BB will run to the hills. If we had a good, but not great QB we would be lucky to win 10 games every year because we lack talent in many positions.

Now we can look forward to drafting for our needs in rounds 4-7. Excited? U kidding me????????????? Atrocious.

WaterfallJumper · Apr 28, 2018

Unsubstantiated hot take. Of course they have misses and bad picks. Everyone does. By the numbers, however, they're top 5 over Belichick's tenure for expected value in terms of production vs draft slot. Highly recommend you do some research before reacting emotionally to something that isn't even true.

As for need: we lost a starting LT, starting RB, and starting CB. What were our first three picks again?

bakes781 · Apr 28, 2018

Trolling from someone who clearly joined here for that sole purpose.

That said I was disappointed with a RB at 31. He probably won’t even last the 5 years. Not to mention there are several RBs that can be had today that are just as qualified to fill a role on this rbbc.

I like the OL & CB selections and there are so many edge rushers still available today.

You can only give it an INC thus far.

RONDO · Apr 28, 2018

With due respect I disagree with your assessment. Yes, we need a left tackle, but based on the OL physical attributes many believe he is a guard. RB? We have five on the roster that are serviceable. As for a CB this person can't cover deep routes. As far as expected value, you might be right but expected value doesn't mean anything if you draft someone in the 5th round who should have been taken in the 4th and they don't improve your team.

scout · Apr 28, 2018

I'm thinking BB has done "ok" in the draft considering the Super Bowl appearances the Patriots have been in since he took the job. I assume the draft has a lot to do with getting to or winning the Super Bowl? BTW, the trade for the Bears 2nd pick was huge as that most likely will be a great pick next year.

WaterfallJumper · Apr 28, 2018

Show me why Wynn can't play tackle. Michel is instantly our best all around RB. We had bodies but no real starter. Dawson excels in press man and can certainly carry routes vertically. I watched every game and I can update with clips from tape to support my claims. Can you?

RONDO · Apr 28, 2018

Two first round and two second round picks and a defense last year that was ranked as one of the worst in terms of yards allowed/game. In the SUPERBOWL they not only couldn't cover anybody aside from Gilmore but generated very little pressure on the passer. We couldn't have drafted a safety, corner, and linebacker that would be starting or eventually getting into the games and making a difference?

WaterfallJumper · Apr 28, 2018

RONDO said:
As far as expected value, you might be right but expected value doesn't mean anything if you draft someone in the 5th round who should have been taken in the 4th and they don't improve your team.

Equivocating over rounds is a waste of time. You at least got the second half sort of correct: does the player help the team? That's all that matters. And the Patriots are consistently toward the top of the results for snaps played by draftees. It's actually a disconnect from reality if you think they're poor drafters.

They're not immune to criticism, but over a long period of time, they consistently find enough contributors to win. That's the goal. Who cares about the rest? It's humanly impossible to get every pick right every single year.

Consider also that the average team has 7 slots per draft, but must bring in 90 players to camp. Factoring in turnover from previous years, that means that any given season, nearly half the roster is new. Let's say 42 instead of 45 new players to keep the numbers easy. So a new player has only a 1/6 chance to be a draftee vs a free agent acquisition. That tells me that the draft is highly overrated. Fun to follow, but overrated.

Belichick consistently fields championship teams.

WaterfallJumper · Apr 28, 2018

RONDO said:
We couldn't have drafted a safety, corner, and linebacker that would be starting or eventually getting into the games and making a difference?

We did. You complained that he can't cover deep without any supporting evidence. So, want to post some game tape?

reflexblue · Apr 28, 2018

Watching BB draft is like watching someone make sausage, while it may look horrible the end result is usually pretty tasty.

Snooky97 · Apr 28, 2018

reflexblue said:
Watching BB draft is like watching someone make sausage, while it may lookk horrible the end result is usually pretty good.

This is the greatest message and description of BB I’ve ever seen

Snooky97 · Apr 28, 2018

RONDO said:
Yes, here and there they hit on one or two but overall they are terrible. I was watching Boston Sports Tonight and they hit the nail on the head: they don’t draft for need but for the best player available. So, if the best players available are offensive lineman they will draft them no matter whether they have holes at Safety, Linebacker, CB, DL, etc. If they need a safety because McCourty not only got torched in the Superbowl but is in his 30’s and slowing down they won’t move up to get someone who will improve the position over time.

They needed a DL who is a force? They needed a cover corner? They needed a Linebacker who can cover running backs? They needed our future QB?

So, what they do is when the football season starts if they are getting their asses kicked in the regular season they start giving away draft picks for other teams’ throwaways. Sometime they hit and sometimes they don’t.

They had four picks in the top 64. They should have gotten four rookies who will either start or get in the games in their first season given the holes on this team. Instead, they pick of an OL who might not be a LT, a running back in the first round with medical history, trade back twice in the second with basically not using one of these picks until next year, and drafting a CB who can’t cover man to man downfield. And no QB backup.

I watched teams like Tennessee trade up and get quality players ahead of the PATS. When Brady is gone, it’s over. BB will run to the hills. If we had a good, but not great QB we would be lucky to win 10 games every year because we lack talent in many positions.

Now we can look forward to drafting for our needs in rounds 4-7. Excited? U kidding me????????????? Atrocious.

Even though this is a troll my god your an idiot..

BB has got us an extra pick for next year season already. Please tell me who you would of taken from pick 43? There was no value in staying there and there wasn’t a stand out player that was worth it and I was high on a lot of players.

Have you seen how many of our players have come from the 4-7th rounds?!

Trey flowers, Thuney, Mason, Andrews.. the sheer volume is crazy..

Personally for me the first two picks looking at them now is brilliant! Worse case Wynn turns out to be a pro bowl G!

Michel is a monster and will excel in this offensive scheme!

BTTA · Apr 28, 2018

RONDO said:
Two first round and two second round picks and a defense last year that was ranked as one of the worst in terms of yards allowed/game. In the SUPERBOWL they not only couldn't cover anybody aside from Gilmore but generated very little pressure on the passer. We couldn't have drafted a safety, corner, and linebacker that would be starting or eventually getting into the games and making a difference?

Two things that don't matter and nobody who knows anything cares about. The team won't be built to perform well statistically or because of one game last year against a very hot NFC team. It will be built to deny points, score points, win the turnover battle, and win against the AFC East, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Baltimore, and Houston.

scout · Apr 28, 2018

Snooky97 said:
Even though this is a troll my god your an idiot..

BB has got us an extra pick for next year season already. Please tell me who you would of taken from pick 43? There was no value in staying there and there wasn’t a stand out player that was worth it and I was high on a lot of players.

Have you seen how many of our players have come from the 4-7th rounds?!

Trey flowers, Thuney, Mason, Andrews.. the sheer volume is crazy..

Personally for me the first two picks looking at them now is brilliant! Worse case Wynn turns out to be a pro bowl G!

Michel is a monster and will excel in this offensive scheme!

I don't think there has been enough posts regarding the extra pick next year. I'm not a huge fan of Trubisky (Bear's QB) and they are in a tough division (Vikings, Bears, Detroit?). That pick could be a dynamic player, Brady's replacement, traded for picks, traded for a future #1, or traded up. Who freakin' knows. Although, I like the trade!

TomPatriot · Apr 28, 2018

I swear Ian pays people to post garbage to gin up this forum.

Hammer of Thor · Apr 28, 2018

RONDO said:
Yes, here and there they hit on one or two but overall they are terrible. I was watching Boston Sports Tonight and they hit the nail on the head: they don’t draft for need but for the best player available. So, if the best players available are offensive lineman they will draft them no matter whether they have holes at Safety, Linebacker, CB, DL, etc. If they need a safety because McCourty not only got torched in the Superbowl but is in his 30’s and slowing down they won’t move up to get someone who will improve the position over time.

They needed a DL who is a force? They needed a cover corner? They needed a Linebacker who can cover running backs? They needed our future QB?

So, what they do is when the football season starts if they are getting their asses kicked in the regular season they start giving away draft picks for other teams’ throwaways. Sometime they hit and sometimes they don’t.

They had four picks in the top 64. They should have gotten four rookies who will either start or get in the games in their first season given the holes on this team. Instead, they pick of an OL who might not be a LT, a running back in the first round with medical history, trade back twice in the second with basically not using one of these picks until next year, and drafting a CB who can’t cover man to man downfield. And no QB backup.

I watched teams like Tennessee trade up and get quality players ahead of the PATS. When Brady is gone, it’s over. BB will run to the hills. If we had a good, but not great QB we would be lucky to win 10 games every year because we lack talent in many positions.

Now we can look forward to drafting for our needs in rounds 4-7. Excited? U kidding me????????????? Atrocious.

Prior to this year, Belichick has made 15 first round selections. To date:

- 1 was cut after year 2 due to bad culture fit; immediately picked up by another team and playing decently when healthy (his other problem) and signed a 2nd NFL contract this offseason
- 1 was cut after camp of year 5 due to freelancing; immediately picked up by another team and started for several more years. Pro Bowler with the Pats
- 1 was traded during 5th year and flamed out, never earned a 2nd NFL contract.
- 1 is still a starter for the Pats on his rookie contract.
- All 11 others, plus the two cuts above for 13 total, earned a 2nd NFL contract, 8 with the Patriots.
- 8 of the players made the Pro Bowl while a Patriot, with a 9th being a Pro Bowl alternate.
- the 15 players consisted of 2 top 10 picks, 2 picks in the teens, and 11 at pick 21 or later including 3 at pick 32.

Picking best available value to team (which does include a need component) versus reaching for need? I'll stack that record above versus anyone else this millennium.

They've also drafted Pro Bowlers in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds plus from UDFA.

It ain't perfect and we (those who know what they're talking about, anyway) should critique each pick. But this is not the record of, "one of the WORST teams at drafting players."

DaBruinz · Apr 28, 2018

RONDO said:
Yes, here and there they hit on one or two but overall they are terrible. I was watching Boston Sports Tonight and they hit the nail on the head: they don’t draft for need but for the best player available. So, if the best players available are offensive lineman they will draft them no matter whether they have holes at Safety, Linebacker, CB, DL, etc. If they need a safety because McCourty not only got torched in the Superbowl but is in his 30’s and slowing down they won’t move up to get someone who will improve the position over time.

They needed a DL who is a force? They needed a cover corner? They needed a Linebacker who can cover running backs? They needed our future QB?

So, what they do is when the football season starts if they are getting their asses kicked in the regular season they start giving away draft picks for other teams’ throwaways. Sometime they hit and sometimes they don’t.

They had four picks in the top 64. They should have gotten four rookies who will either start or get in the games in their first season given the holes on this team. Instead, they pick of an OL who might not be a LT, a running back in the first round with medical history, trade back twice in the second with basically not using one of these picks until next year, and drafting a CB who can’t cover man to man downfield. And no QB backup.

I watched teams like Tennessee trade up and get quality players ahead of the PATS. When Brady is gone, it’s over. BB will run to the hills. If we had a good, but not great QB we would be lucky to win 10 games every year because we lack talent in many positions.

Now we can look forward to drafting for our needs in rounds 4-7. Excited? U kidding me????????????? Atrocious.

Hey SFBs. Pats, under Belichick, are one of the better teams at Drafting. Clearly you're a Ron Borges lover. Please do us all a favor and learn something about the game before you grace us with any more ridiculous posts.

BTW, Not sure what garbage site you use for learning about players, but clearly you don't understand the versatility that Dawson brings. He's played on Special teams and at safety and been a nickel corner as well as an outside corner. He could, very well, be the replacement for Jordan Richards and eventually McCourty.

As for Wynn, he brings versatility. He can play Guard or Tackle. This gives the Patriots leverage in the event that Mason or Thuney decide they want larger contracts than the Pats are willing to give. Let's not forget that Cannon is 30 and has an injury history..

BTW, I noticed that you couldn't be bothered to mention that the Pats also added Trent Brown. A veteran starter who is only 25.

The PATS Are One Of The Worst Teams Drafting Players.

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