rumor: Brady not expected to be a regular participant in offseason program

luuked said:

It is clear that Brady changed from a person who took criticism with stride and didn't have an issue that he was just another player for BB to someone who apparently now needs to be shown he is appreciated and wants "fun".

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I don't think Brady cares one bit about whether or not football is made fun by his coach. Unless you can come up with a source that can verify that this is the reason for Brady's supposed unhappiness (I won't hold my breath). Football is fun to him because he loves the game. And, quite frankly, if you honestly believe that it's more likely that Brady just morphed into a diva overnight instead of maybe considering that BB might have made a mistake in how he handled Guerrero and Butler's benching (which I honestly believe has something to do with this), then I can't help you. At that point, you've shown that you're completely incapable of logical thought when it comes to the man.

At the same time BB stayed mostly the same dishing out at everyone the same. Even coaches are not safe from getting chewed out during one of the low lights sessions.

Do the math.

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There is no math to do. This appears to be relatively straight-forward.

And Brady has traditionally accepted that chewing out and came back for more (even taking discounts in the process). He was happy to accept said chewing out as long as he knew coach put the best choices for the team forward and made the best decisions to help the team win. According to Amendola, on top of making a mysterious personnel decision during the Super Bowl, he still hadn't even given an explanation to the team as to why. I could see how that would make a guy angry.

But you're free to think that a guy that has never been a disciplinary problem and has been nothing but a consummate professional for his entire career suddenly mutated into a diva overnight.

Jackson 2 said:

I agree with you about Tom Curran in most cases. But, as I've written here before, Tom is covering this matter from a perspective which isn't entirely neutral. Curran and both of his teenage athlete sons have all been clients of and been treated by Alex Guerrero for sometime now. Curran fully acknowledges that he has both a personal and professional relationship with Guerrero.

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Yes, but I don't see why he would be biased because the crux of the entire issue is not the question whether Guerrero's methods are helpful or not but it is all about authority. Guerrero didn't get kicked out because people were using his methods but because he made players question the exercises that Cabrera designed.

If you have listened to last week's QuickSlants episode you can clearly see that his positive experience with Guerrero doesn't really affect how he approaches the entire debacle.

KontradictioN said:

I don't think Brady cares one bit about whether or not football is made fun by his coach. Unless you can come up with a source that can verify that this is the reason for Brady's supposed unhappiness (I won't hold my breath). Football is fun to him because he loves the game. And, quite frankly, if you honestly believe that it's more likely that Brady just morphed into a diva overnight instead of maybe considering that BB might have made a mistake in how he handled Guerrero and Butler's benching (which I honestly believe has something to do with this), then I can't help you. At that point, you've shown that you're completely incapable of logical thought when it comes to the man.



There is no math to do. This appears to be relatively straight-forward.

And Brady has traditionally accepted that chewing out and came back for more (even taking discounts in the process). He was happy to accept said chewing out as long as he knew coach put the best choices for the team forward and made the best decisions to help the team win. According to Amendola, on top of making a mysterious personnel decision during the Super Bowl, he still hadn't even given an explanation to the team as to why. I could see how that would make a guy angry.

But you're free to think that a guy that has never been a disciplinary problem and has been nothing but a consummate professional for his entire career suddenly mutated into a diva overnight.

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Sorry but how a reasonable thinking problem can blame BB in this entire situation goes beyond anything that makes sense.

He benched Butler because he played like ass throughout the season and practiced like ass in the practices running up to the SB. Anyone who thinks the benching is a mystery is an idiot. It is spelled out with big letters for everyone to see. Now everyone is free to agree or disagree with the decision but don't give me any of the garbage that it is a mystery. If you have half a brain it is obvious what happened.

He kicked out an external guy who had special privileges (locker room access) because he latched on to TB and started to break the internal chain of command. It doesn't matter at all whether what Guerrero advised was good or bad. There is a clear order to things and he was not responsible for basic strength and conditioning. Any player that plays for the Patriots is expected to follow the program set for each position by BB and Cabrera and is free to do additional things on their own time. If they cheat the weight room they better perform excellent or they deserved to be scolded about it.

And finally everything BB did is absolutely in character for the person we have learned him to be over the last almost 20 years. Brady on the other hand has radically changed from a pretty private individual to someone broadcasting his life via Facebook to everyone and selling garbage through his TB12 store. It is mindboggling for me how you blame the person who represents the stable status quo of the last 17 years and not the element that changed for friction.

Lets just end the discussion here because we are not getting anywhere.

luuked said:

Yes, but I don't see why he would be biased because the crux of the entire issue is not the question whether Guerrero's methods are helpful or not but it is all about authority. Guerrero didn't get kicked out because people were using his methods but because he made players question the exercises that Cabrera designed.

If you have listened to last week's QuickSlants episode you can clearly see that his positive experience with Guerrero doesn't really affect how he approaches the entire debacle.

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I have watched all of the QS episodes and continue to watch Tom on BST. I like and respect the he'll out of Tom Curran. But, on the subject of his neutrality, I'll have to respectfully disagree. As I've written elsewhere, I believe he, and a few other media members, are being "played" on this one. Now, whether they're being played wittingly, unwittingly or somewhere in between, I don't know. But, in the end it doesn't really matter, at least not to me.

Jackson 2 said:

I have watched all of the QS episodes and continue to watch Tom on BST. I like and respect the he'll out of Tom Curran. But, on the subject of his neutrality, I'll have to respectfully disagree. As I've written elsewhere, I believe he, and a few other media members, are being "played" on this one. Now, whether they're being played wittingly, unwittingly or somewhere in between, I don't know. But, in the end it doesn't really matter, at least not to me.

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Interesting. Played by who and how ?

luuked said:

Sorry but how a reasonable thinking problem can blame BB in this entire situation goes beyond anything that makes sense.

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To someone that can’t bring themselves to fault BB for anything? Sure. That person will talk themselves into believing that he had absolutely nothing to do with a rift in Foxboro. To anyone that can look at the reports coming out objectively and apply reasoning to the situation? Not so much.

He benched Butler because he played like ass throughout the season and practiced like ass in the practices running up to the SB. Anyone who thinks the benching is a mystery is an idiot. It is spelled out with big letters for everyone to see. Now everyone is free to agree or disagree with the decision but don't give me any of the garbage that it is a mystery. If you have half a brain it is obvious what happened.

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Well then apparently Amendola is an idiot. Because he was quoted two days ago as saying, "I have my thoughts about it because I was out there putting my blood, sweat and tears out on the field that night, and one of our best players wasn't on the field," Amendola said, per ESPN.com. "To tell you the truth, I don't know why. I did ask, but I didn't get any answers. I can't make decisions like that, so I don't necessarily worry about it, but I know Malcolm is a great player and he could have helped us win.” There have been multiple players being quoted as saying that Butler could have helped the team win. But, whichever way you want to slice it, this is still, indeed, a mystery. All that we have to go on right now that it was football related, but if that was the case, one would think people like Amendola would have just answered with that.

As for Butler playing like ass the entire season? So your move is to go to Bademosi and Richards and stick with a Big Nickel alignment that was getting torched? Because that defense was STAUNCH. I also liked the way they regularly played McCourty out of position. I was loving watching Patrick Chung cover a wide receiver as well. Yeah, you’re right. Much better idea than just sitting Butler for a quarter then getting out of him what you can in his last game as a Patriot (which just so happens to be the Super Bowl).

He kicked out an external guy who had special privileges (locker room access) because he latched on to TB and started to break the internal chain of command. It doesn't matter at all whether what Guerrero advised was good or bad. There is a clear order to things and he was not responsible for basic strength and conditioning. Any player that plays for the Patriots is expected to follow the program set for each position by BB and Cabrera and is free to do additional things on their own time. If they cheat the weight room they better perform excellent or they deserved to be scolded about it.

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And, again, you have absolutely zero proof that that happened outside of an anonymous source that Curran quoted. Guess what? Edelman is a Guerrero patient and he’s there as we speak working out.

And finally everything BB did is absolutely in character for the person we have learned him to be over the last almost 20 years.

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Actually, he didn’t. If these reports are to be believed, he’s in the process of alienating the GOAT QB and GOAT TE, the former of which has helped him mask huge deficiencies that BB has had from time to time as a GM. Butting heads with his most valuable guys behind the scenes, the leaders of the locker room, over how they receive treatment outside the team is something that BB has never done.

Brady on the other hand has radically changed from a pretty private individual to someone broadcasting his life via Facebook to everyone and selling garbage through his TB12 store. It is mindboggling for me how you blame the person who represents the stable status quo of the last 17 years and not the element that changed for friction.

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This is big time weak sauce. Brady has had a social media presence, particularly with regard to TB12 since 2013. You’ve been shown this time and again here. And it wasn’t a problem up until now. It’s never hurt the team or caused friction behind the scenes until Belichick reportedly decided to make it an issue.

Lets just end the discussion here because we are not getting anywhere.

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There’s nowhere to get. Based on these reports, it seems pretty clear that the fault lies in the way Belichick has handled things.

luuked said:

Interesting. Played by who and how ?

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Guerrero, Brady and Gronkowski. Curran is doing the dirty work for them. I believe all 3 of them would like BB to be gone, but they can't risk the negative backlash. So, they've cleverly found a few media members willing to do it for them. It's brilliant, actually.

Oh, and for anyone that is on the “it’s all Brady/Brady is a diva” bandwagon: should we go ahead and just trade the guy? After all, why would the team want a troublemaking “diva” a the position?

KontradictioN said:

I don't think Brady cares one bit about whether or not football is made fun by his coach. Unless you can come up with a source that can verify that this is the reason for Brady's supposed unhappiness (I won't hold my breath). Football is fun to him because he loves the game. And, quite frankly, if you honestly believe that it's more likely that Brady just morphed into a diva overnight instead of maybe considering that BB might have made a mistake in how he handled Guerrero and Butler's benching (which I honestly believe has something to do with this), then I can't help you. At that point, you've shown that you're completely incapable of logical thought when it comes to the man.



There is no math to do. This appears to be relatively straight-forward.

And Brady has traditionally accepted that chewing out and came back for more (even taking discounts in the process). He was happy to accept said chewing out as long as he knew coach put the best choices for the team forward and made the best decisions to help the team win. According to Amendola, on top of making a mysterious personnel decision during the Super Bowl, he still hadn't even given an explanation to the team as to why. I could see how that would make a guy angry.

But you're free to think that a guy that has never been a disciplinary problem and has been nothing but a consummate professional for his entire career suddenly mutated into a diva overnight.

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This sort of thing never happened with Bledsoe. B.B. the GM blew it...

KontradictioN said:

Oh, and for anyone that is on the “it’s all Brady/Brady is a diva” bandwagon: should we go ahead and just trade the guy? After all, why would the team want a troublemaking “diva” a the position?

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Both Bill and Brady are products of Guerrero’s system. I’d get what I can for them and move on from the drama.

Are people actually letting this totally speculative article color their opinions of Brady? Anyone who thinks the Brady is leading a revolt against BB should have their head examined. I’ve read the Curran article; it offers nothing to substantiate this claim. So Gronk isn’t showing up for the start of voluntary workouts. Is this Brady leading a revolt - or a Gronk play for more money, or something else. I don’t have any idea what Gronk is thinking, but to ascribe his actions to Brady leading a revolt is nonsensical.

And BTW, one of us the message board could easily write an article that BB is leading a revolt against TB. Not resigning his LT? Check. Not resigning his 2017/2018 leading playoff receiver? Check. Not resigning the team’s leading rusher and dual-threat RB? Check.

Just to be clear, I think the latter scenario is equally absurd as the former. This just isn’t one of Curran’s best works. He barely puts forward any argument and just tops it off with a splashy headline. It certainly generated a lot of buzz for Curran but he hasn’t exactly doubled down on it recently. Who knows, maybe he saw the headlines ESPN/ Wickersham received for the whole Patriots rift story (which Curran had first without all the accompanying ESPN gossip) and decided it was his turn in the spotlight.

Brady's back home from Qatar today

I still think some players are flabbergasted and angry at how the butler decision went down in the super bowl.

PatriotsNumero1Fan said:

I still think some players are flabbergasted and angry at how the butler decision went down in the super bowl.

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Well, if any of them were on the defensive side of the ball during that game, they need to take some long looks in the mirror. Because by and large and with very few exceptions, they SUCKED.

Brady is pissed that Belichick cost him a superbowl and has decided to show that if BB can have it his way then Brady can have his own way too.

I've had this thought for a while and didn't search through 7 million pages of threads but could another reason Brady was pissed last year was garoppolo was traded to the 49ers? The one team he probably saw as his only other place he'd want to play? So belichick completely blocks him from really wanting to go anywhere else . Maybe far fetched but another slight perhaps.

I do not see an issue here with Brady ...
He'll be ready to go and he'll play 1 or 2 more years in top form.

Brady has been a consummate professional his entire career, willing to take criticism at every turn. No teammate or coach has ever spoken of him in a different light.

Belichick, while being the GOAT coach, is known to be arrogant and set in his ways.

The whole thing is wrought with rumors, speculation and hot takes but I have a hard time giving Belichick the benefit of the doubt over how he handled this. Clearly he pissed off several of his own players with his actions (on and off the field) and probably led to a Super Bowl loss, despite the incredible efforts of Brady, Gronk, Dola who nearly covered Belichick's ass for the Butler decision.

Jackson 2 said:

Maybe, but if Brady and Gronk cause Belichick to leave, this team is going to a very dark place for longer than awhile.

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I would rather brady gronk leave and keep the coach. im not a big fan of those two anymore. that tom vs time crap didn't do him any favors. and the retirement games gronk is playing annoys the crap out of me. if they arent happy. the poor babies should gtfo.

KontradictioN said:

There’s nowhere to get. Based on these reports, it seems pretty clear that the fault lies in the way Belichick has handled things.

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Like I said. I am done correcting you on all the silly assumptions you have. It all goes in a circle wasting my time.

I disagree with every single point you made. The fact that you can't see Brady's approach radically changing since 2016 is astounding. It is like sitting in a green room with another person arguing it is blue.

Whatever I am done with this.

Also stop the ridiculous assumption that I dont critizise BB. Nothing is farther from the truth. Give me an actual valid reason and I am the first one to do it (like the handling of OL succession in 2014).

But I will definitely not join the hypocritical bozos here who whine about dropkicks or his arrogance when we lose games only to jerk off over the very same things when the end result coincidentally is positive.

This entitled **** stain of a fanbase deserves about 10-15 years of Browns like life so maybe we can get away from a point where a making a SB is not even a joyous occasion anymore but seems more like relief to many.