Official Free Agency 2018

TommyBrady12 said:

As long as wentz can play, he’ll play. They are not benching him.

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Agreed, but they won't trade Foles until Wentz is back. Foles in the right system and head on straight is a solid QB, Wentz isn't amazing either, the Eagles were amazing.

maineman209 said:

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Solid move it seems like maybe the Jets are being ran competantly.

maineman209 said:

I'm guessing this means no Pats comp pick for RJF, for now.

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Pardon my ignorance (no jokes please), but why would it effect the comp formula?

maineman209 said:

If Gronk is traded, it seems to me more likely that it happens after the draft - after the Pats have at least some sort of replacement(s) under contract. So, the Pats would be getting a pick or picks in 2019.

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That's what should've happened in 2014 if Bill (& Lombardi?) didn't have an inexplicable hard-on for Dom Easily: they could've drafted Joel Bitonio at 29, and they would've then had their in-house replacement for Mankin$ before he was exiled to Tampa.

maineman209 said:

The NYG-TBY deal for JPP might be a template for any trade of Gronk. Given Gronk's most recent season of production, such a deal might involve the Pats getting a 2nd-rounder and exchange of 3rd-rounders.

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That looks more like a Cookie trade template than a Gronk one, the latter of which would automatically involve receiving a 1st-round pick, for starters.

chasa said:

With only 8ish mil in cap space there is almost no chance we get Suh.

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I could have $80M in cap space, and I still wouldn't want Suh.

captain stone said:

I could have $80M in cap space, and I still wouldn't want Suh.

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I’m surprised at how often he was blocked effectively last year.

HawaiianPatsfan said:

I’d use his position to leverage a cheap long term, say 3 years like the original Chung deal, but allow us a easy out that doesn’t affect us long term if things go aray.

He has so much potentional. People need to remember Chungs turn around. The only thing is, Reid has actually had a pretty good career playing well all over the field. Can plays FS, SS, slot and LB, all fairly effective. His value is almost there in his ability to cover all 4 positions as a back. Very similar player to Chung, just much more athletic. He’s only 26 also

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Even if I didn't despise Eric Reid the person, it now appears that we're stuck with Chung & his new extension for at least 3 seasons, including 2018. So Reid-to-Pats isn't happening anyway.

captain stone said:

I could have $80M in cap space, and I still wouldn't want Suh.

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TomPatriot said:

I’m surprised at how often he was blocked effectively last year.

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He just takes WAY too many plays off. That spells locker-room poison.

captain stone said:

Even if I didn't despise Eric Reid the person, it now appears that we're stuck with Chung & his new extension for at least 3 seasons, including 2018. So Reid-to-Pats isn't happening anyway.

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Jesus.. Chung is one of the league best in the role he plays. We are as much stuck with him as we are stuck with Edelman, Gilmore or Slater.

TomPatriot said:

I’m surprised at how often he was blocked effectively last year.

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I cant wait for him to sign a his damn contract with the Rams or whoever just so the speculation from a certain segment here stops. Move him into the NFC and let him be a problem for everyone else with his occasional elite snaps and extra-curricular moves.

ChrisR2223 said:

Solid move it seems like maybe the Jets are being ran competantly.

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I think I'll reserve judgement about the Jets making any turn toward competence until I see how that plays out for them this season.

captain stone said:

Pardon my ignorance (no jokes please), but why would it effect the comp formula?

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No biggie. RJF was reportedly in negotiations to sign with the Lions. They apparently signed Williams instead. Had they signed RJF, that would've been another UFA lost by the Pats and, hypothetically, another comp pick credit.

luuked said:

Jesus.. Chung is one of the league best in the role he plays. We are as much stuck with him as we are stuck with Edelman, Gilmore or Slater.

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Chung is so underrated player right now. He had so many roles in a previous season and in my opinion he was a very bright spot in our defense. Assuming Pats' playbook as one of the most difficult Chung should be called more than just " a good student ". I am fine right now with DMAc and Chung as our starters but to me it is also a good moment to grab some fresh blood from draft or FA and drill him int the system systematically.

captain stone said:

That looks more like a Cookie trade template than a Gronk one, the latter of which would automatically involve receiving a 1st-round pick, for starters.

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Well, JPP and Gronk are both 29-year-old "superstars" with significant injury histories, coming off very productive seasons, and carrying ~$11M salaries that will be paid by their "new" teams - who might get as little as another two seasons out of them.

The Giants got a 3rd and moved up in the 4th in exchange for JPP. Because Gronk is an offensive weapon and, arguably, "better" at his position than JPP, I'm guessing that the Pats might see an offer of a 2nd and a move up in the 3rd.

I'm not saying that the Pats should accept that, I'm merely suggesting that it's a realistic estimate of what the market will bear - especially since "the market" is likely to be limited to the 16 NFC teams (it's possible, but doubtful, that the Pats would trade him in the conference). But I seriously doubt that an offer of a 1st rounder for Gronk is anything like "automatic".

As for Cooks ...

He's 24, consistently very productive, and with the bulk of his career ahead of him. And his only "injury history" is a broken thumb he suffered as a rookie. He's also carrying a cap hit of only $8.5M at the moment.

I don't know of a recent trade that might be considered comparable. The Jarvis Landry trade really doesn't apply very well, since Miami was under the gun to shed that $16M cap expense - which will now be absorbed by the Browns.

While I expect that offers for Cooks would be considerably more than the 4th and 7th that the Browns traded for Landry, I also strongly doubt that Cooks would fetch a 1st-rounder. Maybe a 2nd.

maineman209 said:

Well, JPP and Gronk are both 29-year-old "superstars" with significant injury histories, coming off very productive seasons, and carrying ~$11M salaries that will be paid by their "new" teams - who might get as little as another two seasons out of them.

The Giants got a 3rd and moved up in the 4th in exchange for JPP. Because Gronk is an offensive weapon and, arguably, "better" at his position than JPP, I'm guessing that the Pats might see an offer of a 2nd and a move up in the 3rd.

I'm not saying that the Pats should accept that, I'm merely suggesting that it's a realistic estimate of what the market will bear - especially since "the market" is likely to be limited to the 16 NFC teams (it's possible, but doubtful, that the Pats would trade him in the conference). But I seriously doubt that an offer of a 1st rounder for Gronk is anything like "automatic".

As for Cooks ...

He's 24, consistently very productive, and with the bulk of his career ahead of him. And his only "injury history" is a broken thumb he suffered as a rookie. He's also carrying a cap hit of only $8.5M at the moment.

I don't know of a recent trade that might be considered comparable. The Jarvis Landry trade really doesn't apply very well, since Miami was under the gun to shed that $16M cap expense - which will now be absorbed by the Browns.

While I expect that offers for Cooks would be considerably more than the 4th and 7th that the Browns traded for Landry, I also strongly doubt that Cooks would fetch a 1st-rounder. Maybe a 2nd.

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Neither Gronk nor Cooks would yield a first round pick. This is all wishful thinking from some posters here..

TomPatriot said:

I’m surprised at how often he was blocked effectively last year.

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Suh just turned 31. If he's been successful during his career primarily because of his size, strength and athleticism rather than football awareness and technique, as he ages his success may decline rapidly.

maineman209 said:

Suh just turned 31. If he's been successful during his career primarily because of his size, strength and athleticism rather than football awareness and technique, as he ages his success may decline rapidly.

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I think it has already started.

maineman209 said:

No biggie. RJF was reportedly in negotiations to sign with the Lions. They apparently signed Williams instead. Had they signed RJF, that would've been another UFA lost by the Pats and, hypothetically, another comp pick credit.

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They signed rjf