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Also from Howe regarding Garcia:
 
OT Tobin is listed at 290 lbs. A little light for a blind side protector.
 
Hopefully this visit has nothing to do with how Garcia, Jelks are doing..

EDIT: well, it seems it does..

 
BB is "getting the band back together" with visits from Casillas, Cleveland and Woodhead. Casillas is a safety-linebacker tweener at 6-1, 230 and also has ST experience. A low cost replacement for Richards? Cleveland is basically a blocking TE. Replacement for Allen?
 
As of last night, we have $15,659,488 of cap space available.

Yes, it always possible to cut players and have more cap space. Of course, you have to replace those players, in addition to paying for the players you sign. Potential cuts mentioned here include Allan, McClellan and Gillislie.
I’d keep Mclellin and cut the other 2, would save 11 mill I believe.
 
I agree with @luuked that Bolden and Develin aren't a part of the "RB count" on the roster.
-- Bolden is, first and foremost, a special teamer who just happens to be a decent, dire-emergency RB reserve, too.
-- Develin is also a core member of the KR and PR blocking units, and, as a blocking FB, he's nearly certain to be on the roster regardless how many "live" RBs the Pats carry for the RBBC, or who they are. Also, since Solder has been lost, I think there's a better chance that "extra blocker" types like Develin (and Allen) will stick almost regardless because the new LT, whoever that may be out of the choices at hand, is likely to need the help.

So, we're really talking about 3-4 spots for "live" members of the RBBC. Whether that ends up being 3 or 4 doesn't necessarily depend solely on WHO they are and/or what different traits they may have, but may also depend on how many QBs and OL the Pats may want/need to carry in 2018. It seems likely that the Pats will acquire a rookie QB this draft and carry 3 instead of 2. Given the OT situation, they may also elect to carry 9 OL instead of 8. Both of these increases would, perforce, affect the roster counts at other positions, possibly including RB (or WR).

It seems that, for now, the Pats are still shooting for a 4-man RBBC (given that they're "interviewing" Hill and Woodhead). They have, IMHO, a good base with three solid contributors (Burkhead/White/Gillislee) who have NFL experience as well as at least a year's experience in the Pats offensive system.

While Gillislee's versatility seems relatively limited (so far), and while he certainly wasn't, in 2017, the dynamic runner that most fans expected (this could change in 2018), he's really not significantly more expensive than a mid-round rookie would be and his NFL/Pats-system experience may be worth the (+/- $1.5M) premium to BB.

If the Pats end up with 4 "live" RBs, Gillislle is certainly not a poor choice for the bench-depth guy who'll be inactive most weeks that there isn't an injury to one of the other three ... and that's assuming that (A) the Pats carry 4 "live" RBs, and (B) that the Gillislee isn't "promoted" to the active-3, with the new guy becoming the inactive bench-reserve in a 4-man committee. Anyway, it seems to me that an inexperienced rookie would need to be something pretty special to knock Gillislee off the roster entirely at this point. Could happen, but I wouldn't count on it.

WRT to Jeremy Hill - I'd be surprised if they sign him if his 2018 cap hit will exceed $2.5M. Given his 2017 performance, he might agree to stay under that on a 2-3 year deal. Woodhead, if the Pats consider him still capable, certainly fits the versatility profile and seems likely to sign for the veteran minimum. There are likely to be other potential NFL-experienced candidates out there (e.g., Zach Zenner - whose cost would likely be close to late-round draftee level), and - with three capable RBs now under contract, the Pats can afford to take their time sifting through the candidates and making a decision at this point.
I don’t really count those players as true RBs either, obviously, but just included them to show that neither Gilleslee or a signed vet are anywhere close to locks to make the team over a rookie—and that’s no matter where we’d draft him.
 
This is the longest stretch they didn't draft RB since BB is here (last time they passed for 3 consecutive years they drafted 2 high) . but it is so hard to economically justify drafting RB esp. for NE O if you can have a very solid and versatile 4-man committee + backup/insurance for less than 10M..
But that’s kind of the reason as to why they’d draft a RB to begin with, isn’t it? A guy like Gilleslee or Hill are going to have cap hits over 2m dollars, where a rookie can provide similar production for much less.
 
But that’s kind of the reason as to why they’d draft a RB to begin with, isn’t it? A guy like Gilleslee or Hill are going to have cap hits over 2m dollars, where a rookie can provide similar production for much less.

So you “save“ 2M here. If you draft f..e. a G there you “save“ 5-10M etc..
I have a feeling they will draft a RB as well though, good class
 
First post in this thread ( I think)..
Butler was a street free agent when he signed w the Pats.
D. Lewis had been cut/traded by 3 or 4 teams when he signed w the Pats..
Amendola was a decent though not spectacular WR when he signed w the Pats. The team maximized their talents and coached them into what they are...
Haven't we seen enough to believe that it's possible that although we'll miss them and their production, the Patriots can find other 'diamonds in the rough" and coach them up????

I didn't forget Solder but if another team blows to blow up their cap and give a 30 year old left tackle mad money and make him the highest paid LT in the league, good for him to take it..... He will be hard to replace but if he got that money form the Pats, other players would have to be cut or midlevel players not signed...... The Pats' financial philosophy ha allowed them to be at the top of the league for 17 years and always in contnetion for the Super Bowl.. (7 AFCCGs in a row anyone??)
 
Hopefully this visit has nothing to do with how Garcia, Jelks are doing..

EDIT: well, it seems it does..



Not that I have any expectations for whoever that is but given how people went apeshit over them signing Cannon to an extension after 2015 and what happened then I would suggest to give the coaching staff and especially the OL staff some rope here to do their work. Scar has turned a couple of players around into semi-competence...
 
Damn, really wanted him. I guess he's not the priority.

Patriots probably doing the opposite of advertising their priorities. Anyway, Breaux may still be available after the weekend. May not be any need to pull the trigger right away, while other teams are still making cuts.
 
First post in this thread ( I think)..
Butler was a street free agent when he signed w the Pats.
D. Lewis had been cut/traded by 3 or 4 teams when he signed w the Pats..
Amendola was a decent though not spectacular WR when he signed w the Pats. The team maximized their talents and coached them into what they are...
Haven't we seen enough to believe that it's possible that although we'll miss them and their production, the Patriots can find other 'diamonds in the rough" and coach them up????

I didn't forget Solder but if another team blows to blow up their cap and give a 30 year old left tackle mad money and make him the highest paid LT in the league, good for him to take it..... He will be hard to replace but if he got that money form the Pats, other players would have to be cut or midlevel players not signed...... The Pats' financial philosophy ha allowed them to be at the top of the league for 17 years and always in contnetion for the Super Bowl.. (7 AFCCGs in a row anyone??)
Fans are often like the teenager with his first job. As soon as they get a paycheck they blow it on something they don’t need or even really want that much then when there is something they really want or need they can’t afford it and all those shiny new things aren’t even being used any more.
Everyone loves the result but don’t accept that a sacrifice has to be made to get it.
 
I don’t really count those players as true RBs either, obviously, but just included them to show that neither Gilleslee or a signed vet are anywhere close to locks to make the team over a rookie—and that’s no matter where we’d draft him.

I don't think that Gillislee is a "lock" for the 53-man, by any means. Just that he's part of a decently strong base to build on. Gillislee will be competing to retain his spot, certainly, but his experience gives him a head start on rookies.

In any case, it's the open spot, not Gillislee's spot, that's the first concern. They need to get a guy for THAT spot who's good enough to relegate Gillislee to bench reserve. THEN they can look for a guy who can take Gillislee's roster spot.
 
WOW - transition tag leaking . now have to match or left w 0

 
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