Giardi: Patriots Players are Miserable

upstater1 said:

Brady would not even be playing right now if not for that special treatment.

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What special treatment?

holyredeemer said:

What special treatment?

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Winning Patriot of the week for 16 weeks straight....

upstater1 said:

Brady would not even be playing right now if not for that special treatment.

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Same guy who is coming off arguably the greatest Super Bowl performance of all time..?

There definitely is tension with with all of them. Gronk’s not so subtle be FREE and HAPPY post to Amendola shows he’s not coming back without a raise.

Question: Is there ever a media report that has bad news in it that isn't immediately labeled as fake news by patsfans.com posters?

Seriously, if Brady and Gronk thought things were going along just fine this would be nipped in the bud ages ago. It's telling that it wasn't. I'm not saying the situation isn't fixable, and I could buy that it is being overstated but to just immediately default to 'this guy is making it all up' when he works for a major news outlet and is citing a source just seems like wishful thinking.

Funny how you guys don't require a signed affidavit and grand jury testimony from named sources when it is good news.

But we like our delusions more than reality

fnordcircle said:

Question: Is there ever a media report that has bad news in it that isn't immediately labeled as fake news by patsfans.com posters?

Seriously, if Brady and Gronk thought things were going along just fine this would be nipped in the bud ages ago. It's telling that it wasn't. I'm not saying the situation isn't fixable, and I could buy that it is being overstated but to just immediately default to 'this guy is making it all up' when he works for a major news outlet and is citing a source just seems like wishful thinking.

Funny how you guys don't require a signed affidavit and grand jury testimony from named sources when it is good news.

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kool-aid guzzlin yahoos

holyredeemer said:

Here’s the deal though. Brady should understand why he can’t have his own trainer hanging around the facility with his own special treatment. Allowing that would create a big problem within the locker room. It would also create a problem with the training staff. Open up the door to legal issues, privacy concerns. If Brady wants to be treated differently than his peers and receive special treatment, then it would appear he has lost touch with what made this team so great all of these years. They run out of that locker room as a team, they don’t run out carrying Brady. My boss tears into me in front of my peers whenever he feels the need to. I’m at the top of my game, and I don’t complain or get upset about it. I get it. As a leader I understand it. Moss’s testimony to his own reaction is a perfect example.

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The difference between you and Brady is that Brady can walk out tomorrow and every company in his industry would pay top dollar for a one year contract and Brady's new team would instantly be several magnitudes better for it and Brady's old team will be several magnitudes worse for it.

People shouldn't forget that Belichick went 5-11 and was 0-2 staring down another mediocre season when Brady showed up.

lancerman said:

The difference between you and Brady is that Brady can walk out tomorrow and every company in his industry would pay top dollar for a one year contract and Brady's new team would instantly be several magnitudes better for it and Brady's old team will be several magnitudes worse for it.

People shouldn't forget that Belichick went 5-11 and was 0-2 staring down another mediocre season when Brady showed up.

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and where do you think Brady would be if it weren't for BB drafting him? probably ringless

bormio said:

Brady being under appreciated has less to do with Belichick not saying thanks, and more to do with him not accepting Brady’s approach to preparing himself physically.

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I don't think that's true at all. The issue, as I understand it, is Guerrero's approach conflicting with the training staff generally (and involving multiple players), not BB opposing Gurerrero working on Brady specifically. Brady should understand this and just work around it. He hasn't been prohibited from getting treatment from Guerrero, just not in team training facilities.

bormio said:

Ultimately the players do the winning - the coach at times does have to adapt if he wants to win. There has to be a team effort - includes the coach and players.

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Maybe there's a happy medium that can be reached between the training staff and Guerrero, I don't know. But the training staff are team employees and certified in what they do, Guerrero is an outside entrepeneur who is not certified and is unconventional. It makes sense that the team wants its own people working on players they have many millions invested in.

With Gronk, it's about the stupid money flying around now and his lack of guaranteed $$$. He wants a raise.

He's also miserable because he gets mauled on every play and flagged when he sneezes. He feels the league isn't being fair to him, and he's right. If that wasn't perfectly clear when he elbow-dropped the CB, I don't what what would be.

If the Brady-BB conflict is about Guerrero, seems like a stupid hill to die on if you're BB.

So yeah, there's probably some things that need to be worked through, but yeah, the media is making it ridiculous. Solder didn't even mention New England, and his statement makes it sound very much like they were in the 3-team mix, yet the media leaps out there as if he could have had the same money to stay put nad he bolted, so uh-oh!!!!!!!!!

IllegalContact said:

and where do you think Brady would be if it weren't for BB drafting him? probably ringless

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Where would Belichick be? He made the playoffs once out of 7 seasons without Brady. He made the playoffs 15 out of 16 times with him.

lancerman said:

The difference between you and Brady is that Brady can walk out tomorrow and every company in his industry would pay top dollar for a one year contract and Brady's new team would instantly be several magnitudes better for it and Brady's old team will be several magnitudes worse for it.

People shouldn't forget that Belichick went 5-11 and was 0-2 staring down another mediocre season when Brady showed up.

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I don’t believe Brady has become this primadonna that he is being made out to be. I stand by my earlier statement though. If Brady feels like he deserves special treatment and that is what is causing this whole problem, then send him packing. You start giving guys like Brady and Gronk special treatment, and everything goes south a helluvalot quicker people think it is already. Look at the rest of the league and the constant drama on those teams. Look at the over the top, outrageous behavior players on these other teams broadcast. They act that way because they know they can get away with it. I’m not saying Brady would take advantage and act that way, but when the HC isn’t pampering his superstar, kinda makes the others stay in line. Again, I don’t believe for a second any of this stuff is because Brady is upset that he has to train with his trainer somewhere else. I feel like that is something he would get over. But I wouldn’t be surprised for one second if we found out it was because Brady sees all of the potential $$ his co. TB12 would have if he was allowed to bring his team mates in as clients.

lancerman said:

Where would Belichick be? He made the playoffs once out of 7 seasons without Brady. He made the playoffs 15 out of 16 times with him.

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It is not fair to count the 2008 team. That was the second best team in the NFL by the end of the season.

BB also had two rings as a DC with the Gints. I’d say it’s been mutually beneficial.

lancerman said:

Where would Belichick be? He made the playoffs once out of 7 seasons without Brady. He made the playoffs 15 out of 16 times with him.

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yes.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder

TomPatriot said:

It is not fair to count the 2008 team. That was the second best team in the NFL by the end of the season.

BB also had two rings as a DC with the Gints. I’d say it’s been mutually beneficial.

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If not for the Favre to Keller throw on 3rd and 19 in OT, we would have seen them in the playoffs......oh man.....

It's ironic to me that Gronk's veiled tweets and the Tom vs Time final episode feature strong hints of displeasure with Belichick, when Belichick, at least in my memory, has never publicly thrown either of them under the bus. I guess loyalty is a one way street.

Jackson 2 said:

It's ironic to me that Gronk's veiled tweets and the Tom vs Time final episode feature strong hints of displeasure with Belichick, when Belichick, at least in my memory, has never publicly thrown either of them under the bus. I guess loyalty is a one way street.

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The first day of Deflategate Bill said go ask Tom. He’s the QB and he handles the balls. He threw Brady under the bus and ran over him a few times that day.

I'll tell you right now, if Brady plans on retiring after 2018 then he truly screwed this team going forward.. I would imagine there were very transparent conversations that went into it and his thought process, so it would be pretty unfortunate if he convinced them he was going to play a few more years and then just hung them up 1 year later.. i mean, he's Brady and hes earned the right to do whatever the **** he wants, but I would hope he would try to at least consider the long term health of the franchise

I cant imagine he's thrilled about losing Solder to the Giants, but there wasnt a whole lot they can do when you have teams that are willing to pay such huge amounts of money to steal our players away...

The Giants were paying for a top LT and also paying to hurt the Patriots. Who is the long term answer at LT? Are they on the roster? If I was Brady, I wouldn't be too thrilled about having an unknown protecting my blind side going forward when he's in his 40's now


With all of these hit pieces that keep coming out and were coming out prior to the SB, I knew this was going to be a crappy off-season if they didn't win the SB because the media just want to pile on now

supafly said:

I could be wrong, but I don’t think anyone is suggesting that it has anything to do with the players who left in free agency. Those players simply received offers from teams willing to spend more money than the Pats valued them at. There was no way they were going to pay that much more any of those players, which is the same as any other year.

It’s the recent release of the final episode of the documentary, as well as the continued saga with Gronk + some new “sources” and recent tweets/articles/interviews. I think it mainly centers around four people: Brady, Gronk, Guerrero, and Belichick. If there’s more of a widespread team rift, it’s likely due to the leaders being a bit disgruntled as well as the decision regarding Butler and the SB loss.

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Sup, my point wasn't about the players who left (if my post read that way, it was in error). I was trying to draw a comparison with A. other teams being less fanatic but easier to play for, B. BB team being fanatic and harder to play for, C. at the end of the day winning feels very good/soothes a lot of aches from the fanaticism.
I'm sure players were upset when Milloy was cut (or traded, I can't remember). I'm sure TB and other team leaders have been upset before with BB decisions and ways. And I'm betting winning is ultimately a fine bottle of wine.
IF it is true (and that is a BIG, GIANT if) that Brady and others are uniquely unhappy, I'm betting there will still be camp, still be BB fanatical training, and still be the likelihood of more wins than not ending up in the SB mix. And at the end of the day for players that have an easier process on other teams but those teams are losing often, members of those teams will dislike the taste of the twist off CVS brand bottle of wine they'll be drinking.
We shall see come Sept-Dec.