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Thanks for making my point. Obviously Blount turned into a top back here, in fact he would instantly be our top back now, if he came back. Nice to be versatile, but there's a reason you ned to force yourself out of the middling category. And you forgot Mike Cloud.

And that "middling" category produced the 10th most rushing yards in the NFL last season, and the 6th most rushing TDs.
 
"Handed the starting job"? He had two "starts" all season.

Gillislee didn't even come close to seeing the majority of RB snaps in any game last season, including week-1 (when he got 3 TDs without even getting the majority of the carries).

He only saw the majority of the carries for a couple of games while Burkhead was out with his rib thing, but never saw the majority of RB touches. Even before Burkhead came back, Lewis had rounded into shape enough to begin taking the majority (or near majority) of the carries.

Frankly, I think Gillislee's biggest problem is that he failed to fulfill elevated fan expectations that may have been unwarranted in the first place.
He lead the team in carries for the first five weeks then was replaced for lack of production, or so you not remember his 3 TD game one which got everyone's fantasy football hearts a twitter? He was being paid the most. He was a failure in production and expectations of both team and fans... if dollars is any indicator.
 
He lead the team in carries for the first five weeks then was replaced for lack of production, or so you not remember his 3 TD game one which got everyone's fantasy football hearts a twitter? He was being paid the most. He was a failure in production and expectations of both team and fans... if dollars is any indicator.

And this is all "fact" to you? You know for a fact that Gillislee would've gotten those carries had Burkhead been available and Lewis been in peak form? You've spoken with the coaches and confirmed all this - that they expected that Gillislee to be THE starter and lead rusher but he absolutely face-planted and was replaced for "lack of production"? And there are absolutely no other contextual factors that you would even consider?
 
And this is all "fact" to you? You know for a fact that Gillislee would've gotten those carries had Burkhead been available and Lewis been in peak form? You've spoken with the coaches and confirmed all this - that they expected that Gillislee to be THE starter and lead rusher but he absolutely face-planted and was replaced for "lack of production"? And there are absolutely no other contextual factors that you would even consider?
He can't catch over his shoulder like a receiver, he can't flex out in the slot like every other RB we had on our roster. Rex didn't get injured until week 2, Gillislee was given every chance to take the job, was given all the carries and snaps. This isn't a Wozzy conspiracy, how else did he end up on the bench as the highest paid RB when others were available.
 
Jeremy Hill sucks.

Come back Sugar Shane, or Pass da Blunt!

Dion the Cat Lewis signed a contract that was very, Very matchable.
 
I understand your position.

Solved, for me, does NOT mean that we won't draft a RB. It doesn't mean that we won't sign a free agent to compete with Gillislie.

For me, we had a PROBLEM when Lewis and Bulkhead were unsigned.

For me, I don't have a problem with Bulkhead, Gillislie, White, whoever, Bolden and Develin as our RB/FB corps. I agree that Gillisxie could be upgraded and replaced. But that is true for almost everyone on the team.

Report: Jeremy Hill visiting Patriots on Friday

Someone must have forgotten to tell BB that the RB problem has been solved.
 
Jeremy Hill sucks.

Come back Sugar Shane, or Pass da Blunt!

Dion the Cat Lewis signed a contract that was very, Very matchable.

Yup, a player signs a contract. Posters decide the the contract was matchable by the patriots, as if cap doesn't matter, and as if there is some indication that the player would have signed with us for the exact same contract. And just BTW, as with Butler and Solder, perhaps the patriots did indeed offer a similar contract to Lewis (personally I doubt it).
 
Yup, a player signs a contract. Posters decide the the contract was matchable by the patriots, as if cap doesn't matter, and as if there is some indication that the player would have signed with us for the exact same contract. And just BTW, as with Butler and Solder, perhaps the patriots did indeed offer a similar contract to Lewis (personally I doubt it).

I keep seeing this rebuttal, but if it's indeed the case that these players are leaving given equal offers here and elsewhere, how is that not supposed to reflect poorly on this team?

The only departure I thought we might have wanted to match was Lewis. I would have said yes to the Butler deal a year ago but not now. Solder will be a cap cut in 2 years. But as for Lewis, I see only 2 scenarios that led to this:

1) Patriots just didn't make a competitive offer (this is the decision I would question)

2) Lewis wanted out and it wasn't about the money

Either way, it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about this team and I think people are grasping at straws trying to spin this into a positive.
 
It is a simple proposition.

The patriots offer a player his value to them, given who else they, the role he would play and their cap situation.

The player makes his decision.

Many, many, times players choose to go other team for various reasons.

You, and other posters, can assert that it looks bad for the patriots when players the team bids for go elsewhere. Perhaps it does. Looking bad has little to do with winning games. During this century, Belichick's strategy has worked at least as well as the strategy of other teams.

Personally, I surprised at how the active the patriots are. It is early in free agency. Usually, the patriots wait for the dust to clear (and most of the gross contract overpayments to be paid)

I keep seeing this rebuttal, but if it's indeed the case that these players are leaving given equal offers here and elsewhere, how is that not supposed to reflect poorly on this team?

The only departure I thought we might have wanted to match was Lewis. I would have said yes to the Butler deal a year ago but not now. Solder will be a cap cut in 2 years. But as for Lewis, I see only 2 scenarios that led to this:

1) Patriots just didn't make a competitive offer (this is the decision I would question)

2) Lewis wanted out and it wasn't about the money

Either way, it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about this team and I think people are grasping at straws trying to spin this into a positive.
 
I keep seeing this rebuttal, but if it's indeed the case that these players are leaving given equal offers here and elsewhere, how is that not supposed to reflect poorly on this team?

The only departure I thought we might have wanted to match was Lewis. I would have said yes to the Butler deal a year ago but not now. Solder will be a cap cut in 2 years. But as for Lewis, I see only 2 scenarios that led to this:

1) Patriots just didn't make a competitive offer (this is the decision I would question)

2) Lewis wanted out and it wasn't about the money

Either way, it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about this team and I think people are grasping at straws trying to spin this into a positive.

I feel great about this team. Getting fresh blood into the mix is a good thing imo.

Lewis, Solder etc.. got bigger contracts than they were going to get here. Lewis is a great story btw. Went from practically a practice squad player to signing a 4 year 23 million or so dollar contract. Solder became the highest paid LT in the league. Butler got an awesome contract. All of them well deserved.

So let's bring in some new blood. The next Edelman, the next Lewis or the next Butler and see what they can do.

I like how the defense is shaping up so far and am pretty sure they're going to address the loss of Solder one way or another.

It's the beginning of a new season.
 
@Rdforty2, you can dislike reality all you want, but it's still reality.

The only reality here is that you got your panties in a bunch because some disagreed with you. Pretty funny that you let someone on the internet get into your head so bad, without so much as saying a word to you.

The problem here is how you view the term solution. It's apparent that to you, we'd need to get Aaron Donald and Todd Gurley to have solved the problems.

Are Shelton and Burkhead the best in the league at their spot? No. Are they proven players at need spots? Yes. Two holes were filled with known commodities.

Does that mean the positions can no longer be addressed? No. Does it mean the positions can't be further improved? No.

Shelton was brought in to replace Branch. That is a clear improvement by any stretch. Has he lived up to the expectations of being a high Pick? No. But he has been a solid player on a poor team. He is an upgrade on the interior DL and brings an upgrade at stopping the run. That's just if he's the player he was in Cleveland. It's not smart to bank on him living up to his draft hype, but there is also some room for further growth considering his age and draft pedigree. That was absolutely a solution to the interior DL. For someone who likes to live in reality, it was a realistic solution. Adding a Donald was not.

As for Burkhead, there certainly is more gray area, or room for differing opinions. Is he a lead back? Probably not. But the same was said about Dion Lewis before this year. Belichick doesn't use one true lead back, and that's why Burkhead is part of the solution to me. We need at least 2, more likely 3 backs that are capable playmakers. We only had 1, White, signed. We had two become free agents. By bringing Burkhead in, we bring back another versatile threat that knows the offense. Instead of needing multiple backs, we now only potentially need 1. Burkhead may have some limitations but he's also proven to be a playmaker when he's on the field. Bringing him back does not mean we won't continue to look at RB (and obviously we signed Hill, and could still look at the draft for an uograde). But it does give us someone we know can play, and someone that knows the offense. Maybe it's better termed Burkhead is part of the solution than bring worded THE solution, but I do think it checks off a need how many backs we needed to add this off season. It dropped it from 2, to 1.

I'd say it's better to count on one newcomer potentially joining the rotation than expecting 2 new guys to do it. The solution was depth and a certain level of safety. There solution wasn't getting a bellcow.

I don't view solving a problem as getting an all pro at every spot. Thats just not going to happen. There are always positions where a talent upgrade can happen. We added (re-signed in one case) two players that will have an impact on the field. A starting defensive tackle and a rotation back. They may not make the pro bowl, but they've addressed concerns and weaknesses for the team. That's a solution on the grand scheme of things because it's helping the team.

As far as clicking an icon as opposed to a response, it's all about time my friend. I first saw this a couple weeks ago at work, and didn't have the time to respond. I had a tab left on my phone that I saw today with your response noted once it refreshed. I forgot to come back once I had the time.

The team isn't done improving but I do believe Shelton is a solution at DT and Burkhead fills one of the two RB's we needed to add.
 
The only reality here is that you got your panties in a bunch because some disagreed with you. Pretty funny that you let someone on the internet get into your head so bad, without so much as saying a word to you.

The problem here is how you view the term solution. It's apparent that to you, we'd need to get Aaron Donald and Todd Gurley to have solved the problems.

Are Shelton and Burkhead the best in the league at their spot? No. Are they proven players at need spots? Yes. Two holes were filled with known commodities.

Does that mean the positions can no longer be addressed? No. Does it mean the positions can't be further improved? No.

Shelton was brought in to replace Branch. That is a clear improvement by any stretch. Has he lived up to the expectations of being a high Pick? No. But he has been a solid player on a poor team. He is an upgrade on the interior DL and brings an upgrade at stopping the run. That's just if he's the player he was in Cleveland. It's not smart to bank on him living up to his draft hype, but there is also some room for further growth considering his age and draft pedigree. That was absolutely a solution to the interior DL. For someone who likes to live in reality, it was a realistic solution. Adding a Donald was not.

As for Burkhead, there certainly is more gray area, or room for differing opinions. Is he a lead back? Probably not. But the same was said about Dion Lewis before this year. Belichick doesn't use one true lead back, and that's why Burkhead is part of the solution to me. We need at least 2, more likely 3 backs that are capable playmakers. We only had 1, White, signed. We had two become free agents. By bringing Burkhead in, we bring back another versatile threat that knows the offense. Instead of needing multiple backs, we now only potentially need 1. Burkhead may have some limitations but he's also proven to be a playmaker when he's on the field. Bringing him back does not mean we won't continue to look at RB (and obviously we signed Hill, and could still look at the draft for an uograde). But it does give us someone we know can play, and someone that knows the offense. Maybe it's better termed Burkhead is part of the solution than bring worded THE solution, but I do think it checks off a need how many backs we needed to add this off season. It dropped it from 2, to 1.

I'd say it's better to count on one newcomer potentially joining the rotation than expecting 2 new guys to do it. The solution was depth and a certain level of safety. There solution wasn't getting a bellcow.

I don't view solving a problem as getting an all pro at every spot. Thats just not going to happen. There are always positions where a talent upgrade can happen. We added (re-signed in one case) two players that will have an impact on the field. A starting defensive tackle and a rotation back. They may not make the pro bowl, but they've addressed concerns and weaknesses for the team. That's a solution on the grand scheme of things because it's helping the team.

As far as clicking an icon as opposed to a response, it's all about time my friend. I first saw this a couple weeks ago at work, and didn't have the time to respond. I had a tab left on my phone that I saw today with your response noted once it refreshed. I forgot to come back once I had the time.

The team isn't done improving but I do believe Shelton is a solution at DT and Burkhead fills one of the two RB's we needed to add.

What a load of garbage, from start to finish
 
After reading through the thread to catch up, I'd say that's correct. You certainly are the authority on garbage.

You're absolutely right. I know garbage when I see it, and I saw it all throughout your post.
 
The problem here is how you view the term solution. It's apparent that to you, we'd need to get Aaron Donald and Todd Gurley to have solved the problems.

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...This one's pretty simple. Shelton's being brought in to upgrade the position after the 2017 Branch played as if he retired in 2016. If he does that, and shows himself capable in the Patriots system, it will have been a good trade for the Patriots. If he doesn't, it'll have been a bad trade for the Patriots. But this isn't a no-brainer in either direction right now, and "He's awesome!" is just as silly as "He sucks!", at this stage of his career.


Not quite a demand for Aaron Donald
 
Jeremy Hill sucks.

Come back Sugar Shane, or Pass da Blunt!

Dion the Cat Lewis signed a contract that was very, Very matchable.
And when Lewis plays 23 games in the next 3 years you will see why matchable didn’t become matched.
 
Jeremy Hill sucks.

Come back Sugar Shane, or Pass da Blunt!

Dion the Cat Lewis signed a contract that was very, Very matchable.

Hill doesn't suck. First 3 years he was very good for cincy..lost snaps to bernard year 4.
 
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