A quick primer on compensatory picks

IllegalContact said:

we are swimming in them next year!!!!

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I guess trading 2019 picks for players is a fine strategy; or even trading 2018 picks. We maintain the extra 2019 picks.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Perhaps, but the problem is that comp picks do nothing to help the team this year.

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disagree

Because we have the extra 2019 picks, we can trade our natural 2019 picks for players now.

mgteich said:

disagree

Because we have the extra 2019 picks, we can trade our natural 2019 picks for players now.

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Those picks don't exist yet, and can easily be canceled out given whatever moves the Pats make in the next couple of weeks. If the Pats sign four qualifying FAs, even at $1M or so each, all of those comp picks go up in smoke.

ChrisR2223 said:

Comp picks are nothing to sneeze at

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Especially now that you can trade them.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Those picks don't exist yet, and can easily be canceled out given whatever moves the Pats make in the next couple of weeks. If the Pats sign four qualifying FAs, even at $1M or so each, all of those comp picks go up in smoke.

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Not true, signings of equal value cancel each other out, so last year the Pats would have gotten a 3rd round pick for Logan Ryan, but they signed Gilmore for more money, so that cancelled that pick out.

Unless the Pats sign a couple of guys for $15 million a year, the two 3rd round picks for Solder and Butler are going to be there, the other two could possibly get cancelled out if the Pats sign some guys in the 5-6 million a year range.

Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart | Over the Cap

Belichick know how to keep the picks, so I don't ex[ect them to go up in smoke.

I understand that they cannot be traded. However, we can trade one of our own 2019 picks, knowing that we will have compensation picks. We have already done that once.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Those picks don't exist yet, and can easily be canceled out given whatever moves the Pats make in the next couple of weeks. If the Pats sign four qualifying FAs, even at $1M or so each, all of those comp picks go up in smoke.

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mgteich said:

Belichick know how to keep the picks, so I don't ex[ect them to go up in smoke.

I understand that they cannot be traded. However, we can trade one of our own 2019 picks, knowing that we will have compensation picks. We have already done that once.

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They can be traded now (rule change last year)

So those comp picks can be used in this year's draft if bill wants to move up?

PatriotsNumero1Fan said:

So those comp picks can be used in this year's draft if bill wants to move up?

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NO, because they won't officially be awarded until next March.

mgteich said:

I guess trading 2019 picks for players is a fine strategy; or even trading 2018 picks. We maintain the extra 2019 picks.

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we gonna suck for luck!!!!

FreeTedWilliams said:

Not true, signings of equal value cancel each other out, so last year the Pats would have gotten a 3rd round pick for Logan Ryan, but they signed Gilmore for more money, so that cancelled that pick out.

Unless the Pats sign a couple of guys for $15 million a year, the two 3rd round picks for Solder and Butler are going to be there, the other two could possibly get cancelled out if the Pats sign some guys in the 5-6 million a year range.

Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart | Over the Cap

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I think you're misunderstanding his point. Yes, signings of equal value cancel each other out (see his first post). However, by definition a qualifying signing MUST offset a qualifying loss. So if you sign 4 qualifying guys, each at $3M per year, if the Patriots only lose 4 qualifying guys (Solder, Butler, Amendola, Lewis), despite their much higher salaries, they would all be cancelled out. In that scenario, *if* there are any leftover comp picks beyond the first 32, the Patriots would likely be eligible for one 7th round "value" comp pick.

So they've got to be careful. If they're going to sign someone to offset the likely 3rds that Solder and Butler provide, that person better damn well be worth it....

Hopefully bb is working on resigning waddle and or fleming.

would anybody feel comfortable with cannon at left tackle and waddle or fleming at right tackle next season?

Hammer of Thor said:

I think you're misunderstanding his point. Yes, signings of equal value cancel each other out (see his first post). However, by definition a qualifying signing MUST offset a qualifying loss. So if you sign 4 qualifying guys, each at $3M per year, if the Patriots only lose 4 qualifying guys (Solder, Butler, Amendola, Lewis), despite their much higher salaries, they would all be cancelled out. In that scenario, *if* there are any leftover comp picks beyond the first 32, the Patriots would likely be eligible for one 7th round "value" comp pick.

So they've got to be careful. If they're going to sign someone to offset the likely 3rds that Solder and Butler provide, that person better damn well be worth it....

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Short version: the Pats can sign any two qualifying UFAs to contracts less than ~$10M/year without risking the comp 3s. [Note that players released by their teams, such as Suh, don't qualify, nor does anyone released after today.]

Note: I was wrong about the rule for picks canceling out. They cancel out within a round first, and then follow the downward rule. The cutoff for 3rd rounders is somewhere around $10M, so anything over that amount would likely cost the Pats one of their 3s. A player less than that would cancel out Amendola or Lewis.