Almost 1/2 of @Pats on 01,03,04 report brain injuries

42 of the roughly 100 Patriots who played on the 1st 3 Championship teams have reported some type of brain injury.
Mind- boggling.(seriously no pun intended- I don't find this funny).
Hope these guys get the help/treatment they need.
I love this game. But DAMN!

For those wondering wtf, here is a link to the story:
Almost half the players on Patriots' first three Super Bowl teams say they have brain injuries

But hits to the head against runners are fine because they aren't defenseless.

neuronet said:

For those wondering wtf, here is a link to the story:
Almost half the players on Patriots' first three Super Bowl teams say they have brain injuries

But hits to the head against runners are fine because they aren't defenseless.

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Thanks for posting the link, neuronet., I'm on my cell. ' Course posters can also scroll to top of page where Ian put it.

neuronet said:

For those wondering wtf, here is a link to the story:
Almost half the players on Patriots' first three Super Bowl teams say they have brain injuries

But hits to the head against runners are fine because they aren't defenseless.

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Yeah,it's ******** how the NFL handles it.
A hit to the head vs. a wr who's body is rising is actually harder for a defender to control than a hit on a rb.

FWIW:
Half the players on 1st three NE SB winners sued NFL, Riddell

For some context 2 are still playing. Not sure exactly what context it brings but I find it fun that Adam and Tommy are still going and this thread is most certainly going to be a downer.

signbabybrady said:

For some context 2 are still playing. Not sure exactly what context it brings but I find it fun that Adam and Tommy are still going and this thread is most certainly going to be a downer.

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Yep, definite downer. But we don't need people sticking their heads in the sand.
I love the NFL game. This doesn't stop me from watching and enjoying. But they need to keep finding ways to reduce head injuries instead of the lip service theyve been paying it.
And I don't want to hear from any FAKE internet tough guys saying the game's being ruined by common-sense rules to reduce head injuries.

jimnance said:

Yep, definite downer. But we don't need people sticking their heads in the sand.
I love the NFL game. This doesn't stop me from watching and enjoying. But they need to keep finding ways to reduce head injuries instead of the lip service theyve been paying it.
And I don't want to hear from any FAKE internet tough guys saying the game's being ruined by common-sense rules to reduce head injuries.

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At some point I think we may find ourselves having to face the reality that there really isn't a way to reduce traumatic brain injuries while maintaining football as a recognizable sport. The whole concussion thing is a red herring, because the research that's been done on this topic indicates that concussions aren't what cause CTE in the first place. It's the repetitive, subconcussive trauma that occurs routinely on every play. It increasingly looks like it's just inherent to the game, and we can either accept it or stop watching.

BradyFTW! said:

At some point I think we may find ourselves having to face the reality that there really isn't a way to reduce traumatic brain injuries while maintaining football as a recognizable sport. The whole concussion thing is a red herring, because the research that's been done on this topic indicates that concussions aren't what cause CTE in the first place. It's the repetitive, subconcussive trauma that occurs routinely on every play. It increasingly looks like it's just inherent to the game, and we can either accept it or stop watching.

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I don't agree that the "..repetitive, subconcussive trauma "occurs..on EVERY play.
I assume that requires helmet contact. That doesn't happen with pretty much every position on every play. Much less than that. Just having body collisions has never been shown to cause cte.
The repetitive subconcussive stuff is more like what boxers deal with: numerous head shots which don't cause concussions but take a serious toll because of the sheer number of them.

BradyFTW! said:

At some point I think we may find ourselves having to face the reality that there really isn't a way to reduce traumatic brain injuries while maintaining football as a recognizable sport. The whole concussion thing is a red herring, because the research that's been done on this topic indicates that concussions aren't what cause CTE in the first place. It's the repetitive, subconcussive trauma that occurs routinely on every play. It increasingly looks like it's just inherent to the game, and we can either accept it or stop watching.

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Many see the big hits and think CTE but it's the guys in the trenches that have a far greater risk because of the subconcussive like hits they endure pretty much every single snap.

Just drink Alex's concussion water

jimnance said:

I don't agree that the "..repetitive, subconcussive trauma "occurs..on EVERY play.
I assume that requires helmet contact. That doesn't happen with pretty much every position on every play. Much less than that. Just having body collisions has never been shown to cause cte.
The repetitive subconcussive stuff is more like what boxers deal with: numerous head shots which don't cause concussions but take a serious toll because of the sheer number of them.

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I'd rank the top three positions by risk factor in my non medical opinion:

1. Linemen - pretty much every snap.
2. Linebackers
3. Running backs

Tony2046 said:

I'd rank the top three positions by risk factor in my non medical opinion:

1. Linemen - pretty much every snap.
2. Linebackers
3. Running backs

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Yeah that sounds right,Tony.
No doubt lineman are the most at risk.
They don't generally get the high-impact hits of wrs,rbs,krs,sts and dbs but they have the most of the subconcussive variety by far. Oth, they may be able to absorb the shock from hits better due to their size.
It's a collision sport-theres always going to be some risk.
But they can do a better job of improving brain safety by actually putting players health above their fat pocketbooks.
Most of the owners make me wanna puke.

They signed up for it though?

I have issues with the insinuation that because they were Patriots they have brain injuries, a more appropriate headline would read:

Almost half the players on Patriots' first three Super Bowl Winners who played football since they were very young say they have brain injuries

Otoh "Pyssant Reimers" effort to somehow begin his redemption tour falls short as most of the information is gathered from the efforts of Bob Hohler.. cut and paste.

Hohler's article here..

The 342 former Patriots who have sued the NFL and helmet maker Riddell - The Boston Globe

jimnance said:

Yep, definite downer. But we don't need people sticking their heads in the sand.
I love the NFL game. This doesn't stop me from watching and enjoying. But they need to keep finding ways to reduce head injuries instead of the lip service theyve been paying it.
And I don't want to hear from any FAKE internet tough guys saying the game's being ruined by common-sense rules to reduce head injuries.

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The sand appears to afford the best protection to date, but unfortunately only for us fans

The nature of the game is catching up to us. It doesn’t help that highly visible but legal intentional concussion hits can happen, but what are you going to do on the LOS and for inside runs?

I’m oldish, so I think the game will only have become a more minor sport in my lifetime. But some of you guys might see the game as we know it disappear.

PatsFanInVa said:

The sand appears to afford the best protection to date, but unfortunately only for us fans

The nature of the game is catching up to us. It doesn’t help that highly visible but legal intentional concussion hits can happen, but what are you going to do on the LOS and for inside runs?

I’m oldish, so I think the game will only have become a more minor sport in my lifetime. But some of you guys might see the game as we know it disappear.

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It's certainly under attack. I talk to more parents who are concerned about health issues than I can count.

it's too bad that will all of the technology we have, we haven't created a better helmet yet to minimize this.

Tony2046 said:

I'd rank the top three positions by risk factor in my non medical opinion:

1. Linemen - pretty much every snap.
2. Linebackers
3. Running backs

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Your guess is the way many would go but the article paints a different picture. Would be interesting to see the #’s spread out across the league. This is from the article in regards to what position players played that were involved in the suit:

There are 68 Defensive Backs involved with the suit. Defensive backs were followed by running backs (51), defensive linemen (50), linebackers (46), offensive linemen (44), wide receivers (43), and tight ends (21).

Some 10 former quarterbacks, including Babe Parilli, who died in 2017 at 87, joined the suit, along with six punters and a kicker, Eric Schubert

If I read correctly, there's 5,000 players in the class action suit. The headline makes it sound like there's causality about being a Patriot during that SB time.

Still, they are going after the helmet company. If that's their target, let's hope for a better helmet design.