OT: Rick Nash to Bruins for 1st rounder, Lindgren, Spooner and Belesky

the rangers are a toolish franchise

they have no idea how medicore their history is, apparently

they’ll probably retire his number, too

lol

It's a bad trade. That being said, sometimes bad trades are good ideas. Time will tell with this one.

Ivan said:

I still want McDonagh. Unless TB pulls off a deal for Karlsson, adding Nash and McDonagh would put the Bruins in the drivers seat in the East.

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only way the Nash trade works is if Boston wins the Cup this year or re-signs Nash for a longer term and eventually wins the cup. otherwise they gave up spooner, lindgren and belesky and a first and seventh rounder for nothing.

TommyBrady12 said:

only way the Nash trade works is if Boston wins the Cup this year or re-signs Nash for a longer term and eventually wins the cup. otherwise they gave up spooner, lindgren and belesky and a first and seventh rounder for nothing.

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Not nothing, as it also cuts the Belesky money issue in half, but not enough. However, sometimes "not enough" can be enough, just like bad trades can sometimes be good ideas.

TommyBrady12 said:

only way the Nash trade works is if Boston wins the Cup this year or re-signs Nash for a longer term and eventually wins the cup. otherwise they gave up spooner, lindgren and belesky and a first and seventh rounder for nothing.

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Pretty much. It's clearly a very high return for NY and a big risk rental by Sweeney.

I was seriously nervous he might do something really dumb and deal one of the "kids" for something like this, and I liked the solid all around play of Spooner and what he provided. He was the best of the bad era draft picks by Chiarelli that sort of worked out pretty well, as he's grown into a steady, sound player. So that part sucks.

Spooner is what he is, a guy with a ton of potential and all the tools who sometimes showed flashes. Consistency is not his thing. My personal opinion is he feels he's a true center but he's too much of a defensive liability. Not quite sure he ever settled into being a winger. Nash potentially could slot in with Krecji much better.

Belesky is no loss and Lindgren was not a top prospect. Not like they gave up Bjork or JFK or the the rights to Danato.

This is one of those years where there just isn't a lot dangling out there, it's a sellers market. Most of the better possibly available forwards (Pacioretty, Hoffman, Kane, Brassard, Galchenyuk) are with teams that aren't going to trade them to Boston anymore than Belichick would have traded Garoppolo to an AFCE team. McDonagh's contract is affordable and runs through next year. The Rangers were reportedly looking for double what they took for Nash. I like McDonagh but the B's need offensive help a lot more than they need D.

patman12 said:

Not like they gave up Bjork or JFK or the the rights to Danato.

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Giving up Donato would probably get the faithful to grab their torches and pitchforks. Hell, I might join them.

Deus Irae said:

Not nothing, as it also cuts the Belesky money issue in half, but not enough. However, sometimes "not enough" can be enough, just like bad trades can sometimes be good ideas.

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Put it this way, they probably could have traded all those assets for something better than a rental player.

TommyBrady12 said:

Put it this way, they probably could have traded all those assets for something better than a rental player.

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I don't think Nash being a rental is a problem, because of the Bruins' contract situation moving forward. In many ways, this being a short term acquisition is a good thing. The team's well stocked with young players, but those players will need to be paid real money very soon, because of the ELC situations. I think most people who don't like the trade would be fine with it if one of the following two things were true:

1. It was a second round pick surrendered rather than a first
2. All of Belesky's money hit went to the Rangers instead of just half

patman12 said:

Spooner is what he is, a guy with a ton of potential and all the tools who sometimes showed flashes. Consistency is not his thing. My personal opinion is he feels he's a true center but he's too much of a defensive liability. Not quite sure he ever settled into being a winger. Nash potentially could slot in with Krecji much better.

Belesky is no loss and Lindgren was not a top prospect. Not like they gave up Bjork or JFK or the the rights to Danato.

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I honestly thought we'd try to deal Krejci, unload that contract and then slot Spooner up to his more natural position at Center, and sort of move on from Krecji at the point.

Claude was too busy forcing him to play wing, where he comes off far more like a natural Center to me.

Krecji has that great vision, great passer, but that is a bad contract and he's always hurt. I don't trust he'll be available this postseason. I hope I am 100% wrong on that this year.

I don't really agree with the comment about his defense. He's sort of a defensive minded forward to me, but I was always curious how he'd look with someone like a Nash or a talented set of wingers.

Do you have any examples to share about his defensive play being a liability?

Beleskey's contract was an albatross, and the Bruins needed the Rangers to take some of Nash's contract. If they didn't need to send Beleskey the other way, they probably could have gotten away with just sending Lindgren and a 1st. I'm fine trading Spooner, he never worked that well on the wing and isn't great along the boards and Nash is a better fit there, and there's a logjam of winger prospects like DeBrusk, Senyshyn, Cehlarik, and Bjork who need icetime starting next year. Lindgren's a B-level defensive prospect and they already have plenty of those.

I don't know, losing the 1st rounder sucks but otherwise it's not a big deal.

Chris Stevenson said:

I don't really agree with the comment about his defense. He's sort of a defensive minded forward to me, but I was always curious how he'd look with someone like a Nash or a talented set of wingers.

Do you have any examples to share about his defensive play being a liability?

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I see you know about as much as hockey as you do about football. Here is a legitimate source saying Ryan Spooner needed to work on his defensive game: Spooner on last season: 'I looked at my game and I wasn't happy with it'

Chris Stevenson said:

I honestly thought we'd try to deal Krejci, unload that contract and then slot Spooner up to his more natural position at Center, and sort of move on from Krecji at the point.

Claude was too busy forcing him to play wing, where he comes off far more like a natural Center to me.

Krecji has that great vision, great passer, but that is a bad contract and he's always hurt. I don't trust he'll be available this postseason. I hope I am 100% wrong on that this year.

I don't really agree with the comment about his defense. He's sort of a defensive minded forward to me, but I was always curious how he'd look with someone like a Nash or a talented set of wingers.

Do you have any examples to share about his defensive play being a liability?

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krecji has no trade clause in his contract.

TBH the 1st rounder is what bothers me. I'm more than okay with moving on from Lindgren & Spooner and getting rid of Belesky's contract is a big plus going forward but it seems like throwing in a 1st is just a bit steep.

primetime said:

I see you know about as much as hockey as you do about football. Here is a legitimate source saying Ryan Spooner needed to work on his defensive game: Spooner on last season: 'I looked at my game and I wasn't happy with it'

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Umm, I am pretty sure my knowledge of a lot of things, including hockey, is right up there. Not going to get into an argument over it.I have total confidnece in my knowledge of the game, its history, etc. You can do whatever you feel you need to do to insult and then watch as the mods ignore it, over and over and over.

I am glad Spooner acknowledged his defensive play as a smallish guy on the wing isn't up to where he'd like it, but a generic googled article isn't what I was looking for there.

I am asking for examples in games. Spooner's a natural Centerman, so I was asking about his work at Center being substandard not defensively, not when he is out of position due to a Claude Julien decision for yesteryear.

Julien didn't like Spooner, IMO, just as he didn't like seeing if the younger players could grow a bit.

Like I said I would have unloaded Kreicji at this point, because I think pairing two nice wingers with Spooner at Center would have helped him and gotten rid of kind of a crappy contract of an aging, always seemingly hurt, Krejci.

Sweeney got off to a real rocky start, but now he's got a lot to look at here.

captain insano said:

krecji has no trade clause in his contract.

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Ahh! No wonder why they've been forced to sit on that contract. I mean, I always liked him a lot as a really underrated Centermen, but I don't trust his health.

Horton - Krecji - Lucic

Debrusk - Krecji - Nash

They might be thinking it was the best they could do to ignite him again with physical line mates.

Well, the hockey boards keep crashing, so this is obviously an interesting day for the fans.

Chris Stevenson said:

Umm, I am pretty sure my knowledge of a lot of things, including hockey, is right up there. Not going to get into an argument over it.I have total confidnece in my knowledge of the game, its history, etc. You can do whatever you feel you need to do to insult and then watch as the mods ignore it, over and over and over.

I am glad Spooner acknowledged his defensive play as a smallish guy on the wing isn't up to where he'd like it, but a generic googled article isn't what I was looking for there.

I am asking for examples in games. Spooner's a natural Centerman, so I was asking about his work at Center being substandard not defensively, not when he is out of position due to a Claude Julien decision for yesteryear.

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He's been better at it this year, but he's not a very good shot suppressor for either a wing or center. Keep in mind he's a RFA after this season and the Bruins probably weren't going to pay $4+ million for him, especially with the glut of young 2nd and 3rd line wingers and centermen in the system.