Can we discuss why the refs called the Clements bobble a TD?

I just want to know why and how Clement's bobble in mid air catch and then switches hands and gets it after it was bobnling in the air forever, was counted as a touchdown?

If the rules applies here, that shouldn't have counted as a touchdown. He never maintained full possession of the ball all the way through and through.

Also, why didn't Belichick ever challenge any of the touchdowns? Or are you not allowed to since they refs reviewed them?

We were very lucky when it came to these kind of calls all year. Our luck ran out in SB 52. Lots of mistakes by the refs on both sides, Eagles got away with things, Pats got away with things. Can’t blame the refs for the loss, it was all on Belichick and Patricia, and those guys alone. Eagles made all the big plays when they needed to.

Scoring plays are automatically reviewed, so no need to challenge.

Only makes sense that in a season where the catch rule spotlight continues to magnify, it was an issue in the SB. I think that *should* be a catch, but by the rule as they’ve been calling it all season, wasn’t. Why was it upheld? I think the original call helped. Had the back judge called it incomplete, it probably would have stayed that way too. Just a complex rule that’s impossible to interpret consistently league wide.

Now basic procedural penalties - say, illegal formation on the Foles TD reception - those should never be missed. I’m guessing that even if they caught that upon review they wouldn’t be allowed to change the call, but they should be able to for things like that. Not for PI or holding or any subjective fouls.

Like it would have mattered. Eagles would have just scored a TD on the next play.

Regardless of that Patriots has been on the winning end of these anyways.

He absolutely maintained possession to the ground. The only question was whether he gained control before the first footfall in which case it's a catch because the second footfall was in bounds. If he gained it after the first footfall it's not a catch because the third footfall was OOB.

Belichick can't challenge because all scores are automatically reviewed. And you do realize that what's done during an automatic review is exactly that same as what's done during a challenge?

If we are being logical it was a catch, if we are being consistent it’s not a catch.

Quest4SixHomie said:

I just want to know...

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...why you continue to blatantly troll. And how any supposed football fan wouldn't know something as basic as the scoring replay rules. Grow up son.

It is called goodell cheating. Goodell just sdmitted the rule needs to change, but he clearly had it changed for the super bowl.

That is called cheating our team. There is no explanation. Even collinsworth, of all people, knew it was wrong.

It is the same reason why dion lewis never fumbled vs jax even when the replay showed us he never actually lost the ball. The refs are told what to do.

There is no way the kelvin benjamin one foot down with final possession can be reviewed and over-turned and then this one was not. Impossible.

I had no issue with either one being called a catch. They were both good plays.

ensoul said:

Like it would have mattered. Eagles would have just scored a TD on the next play.

Regardless of that Patriots has been on the winning end of these anyways.

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1. You don’t know that.
2. The correct call by rule is the refs job. It shouldn’t matter who the teams are. You are all but siding with those who want the pats cheated at any cost.

I was 100% confident it would be overturned.
He did not have control until the foot that landed with the toe out of bounds hit. The ball clearly was moving before that.
It was also 3rd and 6 from the 22 so it was a 4 and maybe a 7 point swing.

scott99 said:

We were very lucky when it came to these kind of calls all year. Our luck ran out in SB 52. Lots of mistakes by the refs on both sides, Eagles got away with things, Pats got away with things. Can’t blame the refs for the loss, it was all on Belichick and Patricia, and those guys alone. Eagles made all the big plays when they needed to.

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Do philly’s head coach and jim schwartz take blame for being torched worse on d with no edelman or cooks?

AndyJohnson said:

I was 100% confident it would be overturned.
He did not have control until the foot that landed with the toe out of bounds hit. The ball clearly was moving before that.
It was also 3rd and 6 from the 22 so it was a 4 and maybe a 7 point swing.

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Yep. It was a goodell special. It without question affected the game.

scott99 said:

We were very lucky when it came to these kind of calls all year. Our luck ran out in SB 52. Lots of mistakes by the refs on both sides, Eagles got away with things, Pats got away with things. Can’t blame the refs for the loss, it was all on Belichick and Patricia, and those guys alone. Eagles made all the big plays when they needed to.

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How is the right call, by using replay reviews, “luck”? If anything, fans not knowing the rule with a seething anger tied to the pats being treated fairly once, then shifted to “the rule must be changed! You failed in cheatin the pats on national tv!!!”

The better question is, why are the wrong calls against us on the field, to generate such a “controversy” in the first place? Why is it so hard to see a juggling or jostled ball through to the ground when i can see it in real time on tv?

That is sort of the dead giveaway: “if close, always make it go against the pats. We can hoepfully find a lawyerly way to screw them is possible on the replay review with some excuse that sounds good.”

Been going on for years and years.

Seemed like a no brainer to be overturned. That’s pretty consistently been called that way..

All scoring plays get reviewed the NFL office in NY, not the refs.

Michaels did an about face midway through the Ertz TD review and started telling us how it could get overturned. I thought it was obvious he was being prompted.

NFL’s rules being incorrectly called by the NFL. Go figure.

they called it a td because it was. I was wishing they would call it back, but deep down I knew it was a td.

It was an obvious incomplete pass that the referees let stand because they were afraid of making the right call in the Super Bowl spotlight. It would've been a huge call in what turned out to be a rare 3rd down stop. It was 3rd and medium IIRC so Philly may actually have punted in that scenario. The only black mark on the officiating throughout the night IMO (all other blatant no calls were even on both sides)

makoute said:

they called it a td because it was. I was wishing they would call it back, but deep down I knew it was a td.

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He pretty clearly bobbled the ball after the 1st of 2 inbound feet left the ground. The next step was out of bounds. It was actually one of the easiest calls an official could make

Quest4SixHomie said:

I just want to know why and how Clement's bobble in mid air catch and then switches hands and gets it after it was bobnling in the air forever, was counted as a touchdown?

If the rules applies here, that shouldn't have counted as a touchdown. He never maintained full possession of the ball all the way through and through.

Also, why didn't Belichick ever challenge any of the touchdowns? Or are you not allowed to since they refs reviewed them?

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It shouldn't have been a touch down.

However, it was called a touchdown on the field and the league didn't want the bad optics of overturning it such a close call in the superbowl.

Coaches cannot call for a review of scoring plays or turnovers. Those plays are automatically reviewed....sheesh.