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As for the missed XP and field goal, that's four points in a game lost by eight. You obviously want those areas to be consistent in such a big game, but Philly missed an extra point, too. That's also a very nitpicky gripe.

The defense allowed 41 points and 538 yards, allowing 10-16 on 3rd down and 2-2 on 4th. To blame the loss on anything but the terrible defense is pointless.
Those four points made a big difference in how the end of the game played out, however. With those four points the Patriots would have been down 38-37 after the Eagles scored their last touchdown and only needed a field goal to win the game. The Eagles line would not have been able to assume that Brady was going to pass the ball and a strip sack would have been a lot less likely. Obviously, the defense bears most of the blame for the loss, but the missed XP and field goal is not a nitpicky gripe.
 
Would you rather sell out your principles to have a better chance to win?
It’s not like butler and Rowe are very far apart any way.

And if there was another Eric Rowe on the field, everything is fine and dandy. But the Patriots play with six defensive backs on almost every down and Eric Rowe and Jordan Richards or Johnson Bademosi are very far apart, and there's the rub.

Whatever the principles were, they weren't worth a Super Bowl. This ain't ****ing war, it's football.
 
White hawt flaming inferno of a taek.... What if it was discovered Malcolm was the leaker to Wickersham and ESPN?

Knowing how BB operates I could see that warrant a public benching like last night from BB. Not the weed story.


Wow. Never thought butler might be the leak as revenge.
 
Do we know what the context was re: Malcolm blowup on the coaches? Was this during Sb week?

Sounds like it to me. Sounds like he was also possibly faking the flu once he realized he may not be starting, cleaned out his locker before his solo flight out there and got word of final benching before kick off.

Who gets the flu, then is quarantined, only to be concerned about cleaning out a locker before the sb is played?
 
All other controversial SB decisions I remember always had some explanation. Falcons were aggressive to be true to their character. Carroll threw because of the D look.

This one has nobody giving a credible explanation.
 
And if there was another Eric Rowe on the field, everything is fine and dandy. But the Patriots play with six defensive backs on almost every down and Eric Rowe and Jordan Richards or Johnson Bademosi are very far apart, and there's the rub.

Whatever the principles were, they weren't worth a Super Bowl. This ain't ****ing war, it's football.

How about proper match ups based on skill set strengths, because that is what the problem was.

All of a sudden butler is a shutdown cb? He hasn’t shown that all year.
 
If you remember correctly, Tom Brady Sr. said "when it ends, it will end badly." This is the first day after the Super Bowl loss. Patricia is out. I don't take much stock in High's liking some instagram post. He's a young guy, frustrated they lost, like all of us. But there's a whole lot of fallout to happen as a result of this loss. It's not going to be like 2011. This is just the beginning.

I think Ian Rapoport says there is "a meeting" taking place this week. Seems a little early and things might still be a little too raw, but who knows?

This is just Barstool, but it's a good summary of the pervasive weirdness going around that we've never experienced before:

"Ordinarily I’d be the one shooting any talk of that down. Maybe it’s just all the 16-ounce New England craft beers talking. Or the fact I just spend the night staring at the ceiling contemplating the worse case scenario. But after watching three postgame shows simultaneously, right now I’m not so sure. For instance, I blasted that ESPN story about the “rift” between Belichick, Brady and the Krafts right out of the water. It was so full of unsubstantiated claims, total conjecture and flat-out lies that I sank it with all hands on board. But maybe there were some nuggets of truth that survived.

The main thing that’s giving me nightmares right now is this pervasive rumor that is going around that says Josh McDaniels is now actually turning down the Colts job. Now, if it’s true and he does leave Jim Irsay at the altar, I’d love to believe it’s because he’s found true happiness in the warmth of Bill Belichick’s soft embrace and has no desire to be anywhere else. But there’s just so much weirdness going on right now. There are beat writers talking about a “major shakeup” about to happen. Talk that the atmosphere around the team has been really strange the last two weeks. Then Malcolm Butler being put in the Time Out chair. Gronk declining to outright say he has no plans to retire at age 28. Then there was Andrea Kremer asking RKK and Jonathan Kraft if Belichick was coming back next year and this cryptic answer: "I appreciate your question, and I'm not going to answer that." Anything other than a simple “of course he is” is simply inviting exactly the kind of paranoia that just kept me up all night. Now add to it the Krafts admitting to “tension,” the rampant rumors about a meeting of the Three Families to settle all family business..."
 
Sounds like it to me. Sounds like he was also possibly faking the flu once he realized he may not be starting, cleaned out his locker before his solo flight out there and got word of final benching before kick off.

Who gets the flu, then is quarantined, only to be concerned about cleaning out a locker before the sb is played?

He could have put him on the field on any of those iggles drives. It could have paid off. Nothing. It was like leading a bunch of lambs into a slaughterhouse.
 
His job is to win a championship. If the guy was returning next year, I could maybe see it....but for a guy that bis leaving? Win it for the rest of the players and the fans.
x2. He's a football coach, not a hall monitor. His job is to do everything possible to win a Super Bowl, and he always has until now, but he certainly didn't last night.
 
I’m angry that butler sold out the team just to spite B.B. in a fit of ego and rage about contract money.

He threw the game just to spite kraft
 
All other c9ntroversial SB decisions I remember always had some explanation. Falcons were aggressive to be true to their character. Carroll threw because of the D look.

This one has nobody giving a credible explanation.

Ruining the focus of the team, being late and drunk, cleaning out a locker and checking out due to selfishness is not credible???

Wow.

Did you watch “the two bills” doc this week with us reminiscing about selfish parcells sabotaging sb 31 with a plane flight to ny as opposed to back to boston instead with the team?
 
White hawt flaming inferno of a taek.... What if it was discovered Malcolm was the leaker to Wickersham and ESPN?

Knowing how BB operates I could see that warrant a public benching like last night from BB. Not the weed story.

That story was months ago - why wait until the SB to bench him? Belichick would have cut him out right.
 
I think Ian Rapoport says there is "a meeting" taking place this week. Seems a little early and things might still be a little too raw, but who knows?

This is just Barstool, but it's a good summary of the pervasive weirdness going around that we've never experienced before:

"Ordinarily I’d be the one shooting any talk of that down. Maybe it’s just all the 16-ounce New England craft beers talking. Or the fact I just spend the night staring at the ceiling contemplating the worse case scenario. But after watching three postgame shows simultaneously, right now I’m not so sure. For instance, I blasted that ESPN story about the “rift” between Belichick, Brady and the Krafts right out of the water. It was so full of unsubstantiated claims, total conjecture and flat-out lies that I sank it with all hands on board. But maybe there were some nuggets of truth that survived.

The main thing that’s giving me nightmares right now is this pervasive rumor that is going around that says Josh McDaniels is now actually turning down the Colts job. Now, if it’s true and he does leave Jim Irsay at the altar, I’d love to believe it’s because he’s found true happiness in the warmth of Bill Belichick’s soft embrace and has no desire to be anywhere else. But there’s just so much weirdness going on right now. There are beat writers talking about a “major shakeup” about to happen. Talk that the atmosphere around the team has been really strange the last two weeks. Then Malcolm Butler being put in the Time Out chair. Gronk declining to outright say he has no plans to retire at age 28. Then there was Andrea Kremer asking RKK and Jonathan Kraft if Belichick was coming back next year and this cryptic answer: "I appreciate your question, and I'm not going to answer that." Anything other than a simple “of course he is” is simply inviting exactly the kind of paranoia that just kept me up all night. Now add to it the Krafts admitting to “tension,” the rampant rumors about a meeting of the Three Families to settle all family business..."


I think the gronk stuff was frustration after that type of lost.
 
If Butler had weed, if he missed curfew, whatever, it's the goddamn Super Bowl.

You bench him for a series, a quarter at most, but not the whole game. He's literally gone and not your problem anymore after four quarters of play.

Watching your defense sink like the Titanic after an iceberg hit, and purposely keeping everyone onboard as the ship submerges is totally inexcusable.

Belichick cost this team a championship. There's literally no other explanation worth a damn that will convince me otherwise.
 
How about proper match ups based on skill set strengths, because that is what the problem was.

All of a sudden butler is a shutdown cb? He hasn’t shown that all year.

Butler's skillset was a match for Smith and Agholor. In any case, it doesn't matter whether Butler was a shutdown corner. What matters is who the worst defensive back on the field was. If Butler plays, the worst defensive back is Eric Rowe, who's fine. Not great, but fine.

With Butler out, the weakest link was Jordan Richards or Johnson Bademosi. A secondary's only as good as its weakest link, and those links don't belong in the NFL.
 


Is this the same zolak who gushes over brady like a 12 year old boy on live radio, and then ignores slow starts from brady in every super bowl in his career?

All we needed was one red zone td in the first half. Just 1.

Plenty of blame to go around.
 
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