OT: Salty Jags Fans

I actually feel bad for Jacksonvilles Big Blue Tarp. He is the #1 season tics holder and stood to gain access to hundreds of SB tics even at 10 %.

Bills fans need to take it down a notch. I always felt positively toward the Bills - they weren't good while we were, but in the 90s, I rooted for them 4 straight years just praying for them to prove that the AFC could hang. I actually rejoiced at the Broncos' 2-year reign too, same reason, the years of AFC doormathood. In retrospect, that time featured the Drew Bowl team that had more players in common with the 2001 SB team than 2001 has with any of our "Second Dynasty" teams.

So we've done 3 out of 4 once, and 2 out of 3 -- we hope to be 3 out of 4 -- once. BB & TFB end their year in the Super Bowl 1/2 of the time. Win this, and we'll have 2 of what used to be called a dynasty. Not counting my chickens or anything.

Bills fans are delusional, dispirited and dusted freaks. Poor folks sit in the stands game after game. They are to be pitied

Joey007 said:

Some genius got a freeze frame:

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Which poorly shows what actually happened. The Jags player was only trying to sell a hold there.

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Allen lets him go right there too.

It was like last week against the Titans. People were complaining about the face mask not called on Van Noy against Henry on the 4th down stop. CBS played it at normal speed and then slow motioned the incidental facemask contact before going back to normal speed again. Ridiculous! All those Jags fans complaining about those still shots are the exact same thing. It was too brief to call. Refs let those plays go all the time.

SammyBlueCat said:

The players are acting like babies too:
Jaguars not happy with discrepancy in penalties

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Haha! Malik Jackson was one of the guys trying to shove the o-line around after the kneel downs. What a baby! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Kid~Brady said:

Same ole excuses for this embarrassing loss. Funny how he didn't want a call for the guy pushing all over White then slapping his helmet after that first TD.

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Good spot! You're right!

Sfpat said:

Colin Cowherd was ripping the Jags this afternoon, calling them sore losers for complaining about the officiating. He also is of the strong opinion that the DPIs were legit and questioned the fumble (I realize he's a Patriot fan).

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Like Colin reaction, a lot truth in his reaction.

It's one thing when the fan base cries about the officiating but a whole nother thing when the players cry. Loser mentality, probably won't be close next year, they blew their load this year and choked it away.

QuantumMechanic said:

Not just that, but according to Football Zebra refs a defender who takes the ball from a player on the ground is essentially deemed down by contact unless the defender is on his feet when taking the ball.

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Yeah, I did not understand why they were complaining about the whistle there. Jack (?) is essentially in a pile on the ground with Lewis and rolls away from him with the ball. How is he not down there?

Big Bucks said:

Regarding the Lewis fumble... why does everyone seem to be treating the situation like it was not a catch, then lose control and not maintaining thoughout the ground. IMO the refs messed up twice. Firstly Lewis had control of the football clasped against his thigh, even though he originally lost it, he regained control (ask our fav WR Tyree about what constitutes control of the football) they had gone past whether it was a catch or not, meaning if the fumble happened earlier then you say the call was correct. The moment Lewis had part of his body down the play was over. Secondly the whistle 100% saved our ass and should not have been blown. Still the play should of not got to that point.

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OMG. I had the same discussion, debate today, with a few people.
I used the Tyree as an example.
I thought, and still think, it was not a fumble, defined by the "rule"?..
He was a runner, he had the ball against his body. We've seen WR catch passes with their ass!!
Whatever, I don't cry about the refs much.
Move on and hope the calls go your way.
.. And your disagrees are just clueless ppl, and don't understand the rules that apply to a "runner".
The rules have been laid out. I'm not complaining, because they screw up all the time.
This one didn't go our way.
But, not correct IMO

PatsDeb said:

Yeah, I did not understand why they were complaining about the whistle there. Jack (?) is essentially in a pile on the ground with Lewis and rolls away from him with the ball. How is he not down there?

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I remember when Tedy Bruschi ripped the ball out of another players hands in the playoffs. He didn't get up and start running because he was down by contact. Same thing with the Jack/Lewis fumble (and it was a fumble...all day long).

BradyFTW! said:

That's the point though, 'once he had clear possession' is not the standard. If he's touched down at any point in the attempt to recover, including before he had clear possession, he's down.

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That's sort of beside the point of this thread, though. We'd all be screaming bloody murder in a similar situation, ruling by the book or not. I can understand why Jaguars fans are upset. There are still people on this board who rant about how Manning was in the grasp on the Tyree catch, after all.

Wheelman said:

Haha! Malik Jackson was one of the guys trying to shove the o-line around after the kneel downs. What a baby! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

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Ha ha I seen that. What a childish little twit aww ain’t it key yuuuute? Poor baby

Just because: recap of the penalties.

Jax: Center called for False start on the first play of the drive that led to the Jags second TD.

Pats: Get a 10-yard holding call on a punt that puts them back at their own 11 (M. Flowers).

These FIVE caused all the ********:

Jax: Illegal shift with 3+ left in the second negates a 2-yard run.
Jax: Blows a big play by (DUH) Delay of Game, and it clearly was.
Jax: Holding - declined, as Bortles was sacked for a 6-yard loss.

(Jax has to punt)

Then...
Jax: Unnecessary Roughness - helmet hit on Gronk
Jax: Bouye interference for 32 yards

2nd HALF:

1 penalty - a 36-yard DPI on Ramsey, followed soon after by a Patriot PUNT.

That's it.

Don't remember the Ramsey DPI, but everything else there is inconsequential or obvious.


So on the Jags last possession of the first half and the Pats last possession of the first half, the Jags got hit with 5 penalties.

An illegal shift (didn't catch it, but those are usually spot on)
A Delay of Game that was.
A holding that was declined on a 6-yard SACK.

Helmet to helmet that knocked Gronk out of the game. It WAS, period - don't care if he meant it or not, the crown of Church's helmet caught the defenseless Gronk in the face mask. 15 yards. Period.

Bouye's interference WAS. He (or Ramsey) got away with an arm lock on Cooks on a deep one later on, too).

By the way, Jax should consider themselves lucky that Bouye got away with the game the previous week, where he had a firm fist-grab on the Steelers' jerseys all game long and got away with it. That's the guy's game: grab grab grab.

The most controversial call of that entire game - and looked like a game-ender, was the fumble recovery by Jack. I watched it several times - I think they got the call right.

Koma said:

If had been Rowe covering Hurns the same way and was penalized, none of these people would be claiming there was a conspiracy. They would think it was clear PI and an easy call.

Of course, if there was no flag, these nuts would think it was the right call when Jacksonville was playing defense, but a huge miscarriage of justice if the Patriots were on defense.

Basically, these folks were looking for any reason to scream "Conspiracy!" unless the Patriots lost.

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Like the Steelers' game earlier in the year when all the talk was about the (correct) call on the no-catch in the end zone, and NO ONE was talking about the INCORRECT flag pickup on the first Steelers' TD, when the OL guy was four-to-five yards downfield blocking when Ben still had the ball (and therefore froze the Pats' LB and S, who thought it had to be a run).

50-yard-line said:

Like the Steelers' game earlier in the year when all the talk was about the (correct) call on the no-catch in the end zone, and NO ONE was talking about the INCORRECT flag pickup on the first Steelers' TD, when the OL guy was four-to-five yards downfield blocking when Ben still had the ball (and therefore froze the Pats' LB and S, who thought it had to be a run).

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Right I remember that one. No outrage on social media on all that stuff either. That’s what gets my blood pressure up is that it’s all one sided. My email is always loaded with people screaming that noise

50-yard-line said:

Don't remember the Ramsey DPI, but everything else there is inconsequential or obvious.

An illegal shift (didn't catch it, but those are usually spot on)

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Yep, every penalty they were called for was legitimate. Just gonna comment on these two since you didn't see them.

Ramsey put his arm over Cooks' shoulder and yanked him to the ground before the ball got there.

The illegal shift occurred because the Jaguars rushed up to the line to snap the ball. The previous play was a catch out of bounds that they were worried the Patriots would challenge (it was a good catch, though).

The outcry seems to be about missed calls on the Patriots, but none of the whiners won't or can't point out specific plays. It happened to both teams anyway. Chris Hogan got tackled on a pass attempt in the first half that wasn't flagged, for example.

Danny said:

Yep, every penalty they were called for was legitimate. Just gonna comment on these two since you didn't see them.

Ramsey put his arm over Cooks' shoulder and yanked him to the ground before the ball got there.

The illegal shift occurred because the Jaguars rushed up to the line to snap the ball. The previous play was a catch out of bounds that they were worried the Patriots would challenge (it was a good catch, though).

The outcry seems to be about missed calls on the Patriots, but none of the whiners won't or can't point out specific plays. It happened to both teams anyway. Chris Hogan got tackled on a pass attempt in the first half that wasn't flagged, for example.

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That one on hogan was blatant and was not called. I was gripping in the gdt about that one. The whiners can only point out one supposed hold the pats supposedly made. It’s not convincing tho.

Anyone got a vid clip of what jags cried about where Amendola head butted a guy? I watched the whole game and can’t see it but they insist he should have been ejected for the hit.

Soliel said:

That one on hogan was blatant and was not called. I was gripping in the gdt about that one. The whiners can only point out one supposed hold the pats supposedly made. It’s not convincing tho.

Anyone got a vid clip of what jags cried about where Amendola head butted a guy? I watched the whole game and can’t see it but they insist he should have been ejected for the hit.

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I can't gif the Hogan play but here's a still picture (2nd quarter, 13:30 remaining). The ball is inside the green box.



Bouye holding Cooks' arm down from about the Jags' 35 until the balls lands at the 25 (3rd quarter, 9:50 remaining):



Neither of these will be acknowledged by the people upset with the officiating, though.

And here's Ramsey's PI penalty:



Can't find the alleged headbutt. There's a scuffle off camera with 8:10 left in the third quarter that I think Amendola is involved in. If he did it, that's probably where it occurred.

primetime said:

That's sort of beside the point of this thread, though. We'd all be screaming bloody murder in a similar situation, ruling by the book or not. I can understand why Jaguars fans are upset. There are still people on this board who rant about how Manning was in the grasp on the Tyree catch, after all.

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Sure, I agree, but that's a whole different complaint. Complain that the rule of stupid, but don't claim it was improperly called. A lot of dumb rules that I think should be changed have been called both for and against the pats over the years, but I won't claim the refs screwed up by correctly calling a dumb rule.

And fwiw,I don't think this rule is bad.I can think of a lot of fumbles where it's near impossible to determine exactly when the recoverer gained possession, and rather than leaving it to the refs discretion to make that impossible call I'm fine with just saying you're down if you were touched down at any point.