New CTE Study

PScottman said:

The equipment would need to initially absorb AND then somehow disperse outward away from the skull the energy produced by the hit.

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is that possible?

Angelpats said:

I was surprised about video game players too until I got involved with what my kids were watching. There are video game tournaments. The winners were getting millions. It’s a valid sport now and millions of people actually watch others play video games. What happened to the good old days of playing games yourself? I actually think it maybe the future with the sedentary lifestyle our future generations are slowly adopting.

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Vegas just built an entire arena/stadium to host e-sport tournaments, its a massive industry that continues to grow rapidly... and its insanely big in countries like Korea, where their top celebrity gamers are bigger than some actors, etc and get crazy endorsement deals

KontradictioN said:

If I end up having a son, he's definitely not playing football. Not with what we're finding out every day. I worry about my own long-term mental health. There were long stretches of games that I don't remember after absorbing some head shots.

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I too also wonder about myself.

I'm sure there are many of us that have had our noggin knocked around quite a bit at the pop warner and high school level.
Obviously at that age the hits werent as hard but then again our skulks and brains weren't fully developed at that point.

Elijah said:

I've always thought that putting the word "sports" in "E Sports" was an invitation to compare apples and oranges. I picture a Venn diagram with skill on one side, athletic ability on the other, with sports being the intersection.

Of course, I also love to say that if baseball is a sport, so is video games.

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Its statistically much harder to become a professional video game player than a professional football player

Its not a glamorous life either, they have management companies and have to train with teammates 16 hours a day to prepare for tournaments

I dont really watch E Sports much myself, other than the Mixer/Twitch video clips you can watch of others playing the game before you buy it in the Xbox store.. sort of like a preview before you play

My nephew loves watching E Sports tho, he has favorite youtubers, etc that he follows and watches regularly.. some youtubers make A LOT of money doing it

mosslost said:

is that possible?

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Way smarter people than I haven't come up with anything yet. The latest is adding air (which can be compressed) into helmets between the outer shell and the inner padding, but it still doesn't completely eliminate the kinetic transfer.

Perhaps some sort of impact-sensing release valve could allow for the compression energy as it's transferred from the helmet material into the gaseous inner layer to be shunted from the skull when the impact reaches a certain newton point?

Doubtful though because you'd still have the impact force moving linearly.

mosslost said:

with leather helmets you get the on field deaths.. not sure that will fly. One NFL season saw 19 NFL deaths...

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That can't be true......can it?

MitchKumstein said:

That can't be true......can it?

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1905.. College football. Some of it may have reached "legendary" but I just looked it up it was at least 11. There no real major pro football at the time. And there was some serious discussion to get rid of football all together, but President Teddy Roosevelt stepped in and suggested adding the (at the time) ridiculed idea of the "forward pass" to add finesse to the game.

MitchKumstein said:

That can't be true......can it?

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https://deadspin.com/did-football-cause-20-deaths-in-1905-re-investigating-1506758181

The degenerative brain disease known as CTE starts faster and earlier than previously recognized, as jolts to the head trigger abnormalities even in teenagers, according to new research led by Boston University and made public Thursday.

The scientists examined the brains of four deceased teenage athletes and found signs that CTE — chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a disabling condition blamed on blows to the head — had been set in motion days to weeks after a head injury.

CTE can begin soon after head injury, even in teens, BU study finds - The Boston Globe

A Defiant Goose said:

That you don't have to have concussions to suffer CTE? I could've sworn there was something out a year or two ago that said the sum of minor impacts can lead to it. Like when an OL engages a block with a DL, which means the DL comes to a nearly full stop which cause his brain to hit his skull because, duh, momentum. Am I missing something or should I read the article? Because to be completely honest I assume the title tells us all we need to know

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I posted an article about the subconcussive hits in the Brady's concussion thread last year. It's been suspected that subconcussive hits were more responsible for CTE than one or two concussions and I guess this latest study confirms or supports that theory.

Concussion protocol does little to protect the players from CTE but it does protect the players from going back into a game with a concussion which could lead to life threatening consequences shorterm.

Again why am I the lone voice saying,"That may be right but it ain't good science." For those that don't know what I'm talking about CONTROL GROUP. How do I know there is not a control group that got edited out?

I seriously doubt they autopsied healthy people. Until we get a test that does not need an autopsy all advancements are guess work.

Don't get me wrong. When all you got is trial and error, by all means trial.

mosslost said:

with leather helmets you get the on field deaths.. not sure that will fly. One NFL season saw 19 NFL deaths...

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Is that actually true?

Jlaff said:

Is that actually true?

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He's right but not all the deaths were due to head trauma.

https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/19-football-players-died-in-1905-but-calls-for-reform-1277528900

Angelpats said:

I was surprised about video game players too until I got involved with what my kids were watching. There are video game tournaments. The winners were getting millions. It’s a valid sport now and millions of people actually watch others play video games. What happened to the good old days of playing games yourself? I actually think it maybe the future with the sedentary lifestyle our future generations are slowly adopting.

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Idk if it has already been posted in this thread, but our very own Robert Kraft owns a video game E-Sports team in the competitive Overwatch space. As a big gamer and someone involved in the industry for a long time, calling gaming a sport makes me die a bit inside. My older boys (15 & 13) are big fans of the scene. The guys that play on these teams are some of the biggest pieces of sh*t I have seen. Times are a changin’ folks.

JarOfMayo51 said:

Vegas just built an entire arena/stadium to host e-sport tournaments, its a massive industry that continues to grow rapidly... and its insanely big in countries like Korea, where their top celebrity gamers are bigger than some actors, etc and get crazy endorsement deals

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The stadium has a capacity of 990 people. There's probably 5,000 HS football stadiums with a bigger audience.

PScottman said:

It has little to do with head movement - it's the movement of the brain inside the brainpan itself. The impact is absorbed and because liquid doesn't compress, the brain itself is instead absorbing the impact energy and in some cases slamming against the inner wall of the skull.

The equipment would need to initially absorb AND then somehow disperse outward away from the skull the energy produced by the hit.

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And remember that it doesn't have to be a hit to the head, either. Any hit to the body (say the upper chest) that happens to cause the head to decelerate quickly enough will make the brain move within the skull and experience what's mentioned in the quote above. And no helmet can prevent that.

mosslost said:

is that possible?

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A guy that can run 25mph has their head go from that speed to zero in a fraction of a second and a distance of the thickness of the helmet at best. Maybe an inch or two. Obviously technology could change but I think the problem is probably along the lines of saying "why don't we put bumpers on cars that prevent people from ever getting hurt in accidents?" There's some physical realities that make that unlikely.

Froob said:

NBA is where it’s at if you get a pick of where you can play. Not a ridiculous long season and boring sport like baseball but, guaranteed massive contracts and not big injury risk.

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Yes, and there are 12-14 players per team. Lots of job opportunity.

Tunescribe said:

Link: The story behind the experimental collar worn by Luke Kuechly

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First paragraph of that article... WTF:

Many fans of Luke Kuechly remember highlight moments such as the final seconds of a 2013 win against New England when the Carolina Panthers middle linebacker kept tight end Rob Gronkowski from making the game-winning catch in the end zone.

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Froob said:

NBA is where it’s at if you get a pick of where you can play. Not a ridiculous long season and boring sport like baseball but, guaranteed massive contracts and not big injury risk.

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Baseball is the best because you have guaranteed contracts, no salary cap, minimal contact and no life-threatening injuries, long careers, and the relatively generous pension system covers anyone who's on an MLB roster for 43 days in total, so it's by far the best for fringe players (which is most players).

Unfortunately, the sport sucks...