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Thanks for explaining. I mostly agree.

Not to nitpick - just want to point out where our differing interpretations lie. Curran doesn't say in this piece that Tom went back door asking for loyalty and a new contract - he says:

I get what you are saying and I am blending Wickerdick, Bedard and Curran here as the narrative of all three are, "Tom went to Kraft and asked where his loyalty is because he took a discount, you still have Jimmy and the best way to demonstrate that was he wanted a new deal. " It just seems like Tom is bellyaching and I don't think he is a whiner.

he also writes:

Which I think is more about demonstrating why Brady would be valid in being frustrated - a broken handshake agreement (alleged) with the guy who's a second father figure.

More broadly, I think Curran wrote this piece to show that, even though Brady knows this is a business and people get released and traded almost every week, doesn't also mean that he has to be happy about that becoming his fate too. I don't think that makes Tom look gullible or disingenuous.

I don't think Tom needs to play loyal soldier and keep his mouth shut but the characterizations by Sham and Curran make Tom out to be hurt, angry and disgruntled which I believe to be a huge exaggeration and stated for maximum emotional impact on readers like myself. It worked.
 
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Curran just took care of it in the first 5 minutes of Quick Slants, as I thought he might. Took Wickersham and everyone else who suggested Brady is any kind of diva or problem to the proverbial woodshed. Mayo came in at the end and corroborated everything Curran said about Brady.
So what about Curran implying Brady is disgruntled and frustrated?
 
So what about Curran implying Brady is disgruntled and frustrated?
I didn't catch that implication at all. You obviously did and I'm being 100% honest when I tell you I don't know what else to say.
 
Curran has a history of zagging into alarmist chicken little mode periodically. In the offseason between 2008 and 2009, he was the guy beating the "major surgery complications, Brady's probably going to miss all of 2009!" drum. Maybe there's something to what he's saying, or maybe this is another one of those. I guess we'll know in time.

Over the years there have been a few times that the media has reported there was tension between Brady and Belichick, and in the past it's always amounted to nothing. Hopefully this is more of the same. At this point I don't think the stories even matter anymore, nobody's going to shed any new light onto this, everyone's just rehashing and circlejerking over the same story rather than digging up new information because either there's nothing to dig up or nobody's talking. We'll just have to wait until the offseason and see what happens.
 
Curran is considerably closer to Brady than Bedard. Whether I like the contents of it or not I trust Curran more to correctly portray Bradys view on it all than any other journalist. I think you are overvaluing the entire Josh McDaniels angle here. He uses it more or less just a framing device to connect to Shams piece and then to wrap a nice bow around the article at the end (i.e. the **** You).

I get the sense that all of this article stemmed out of a couple of conversations Curran had with Brady this year. We both can agree hat he is better than just pulling it totally out of his ass, right ? And this is what really pisses me off about the Sham article. By being so poorly vetted and realized it made it difficult to talk about anything that it mentioned without just assuming it is ********. It was so badly done that it also delegitimizes other articles that deal with a similar (but much more reasonable) angle.
If Curran were speaking for brady he would be saying the things that brady is saying, not portraying him as something he continues to deny.
 
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WTF are you talking about, my post was a about a quote from Volin?

Volin said Brady was selfish, I actually haven’t seen anyone here say that, not even the 0-fer trolls. And I have no problem calling anyone out, and I quote them whenever I can to provide context.

Get a grip.


Find me any other post in this forum where you have had a tantrum over someone quoting a media member, or just stfu, either one, I don’t care which.
@QuantumMechanic is referring to the end of your post:

Sad thing is, the Garrapolites agree with him.
 
This is the part where Curran goes off his meds, acts as if Wickersham is spitting facts and makes brady look like a whiny crybaby.
He not only gives credence to the bs he implies brady believes it and is acting out because of it, while he decides to take the approach that he know what is in Brady’s head. Very weak.
So you’re Tom Brady and you’re digesting this portion of Wickersham’s story.

And you’re getting that familiar vibe of seller’s remorse from within your own team. The vibe that you’re not really supposed to be here anymore. That the guy who was drafted in 2014 because of “Tom’s age and contract status” was supposed to be the one still here. The future.

And you’re thinking to yourself about the hits you’ve taken while recalling that - in 2016, at age 24 – Garoppolo couldn’t make it through six quarters as your replacement.

And you’re remembering that – after winning two Super Bowls in three seasons – there was still a resistance from the team to buy into you all summer. Even though you’d gone one better than just winning those Super Bowls – you were playing at an MVP level through the first part of the season, there was no as-promised contract extension to validate your decision to sink roots and raise your family here.

You think about the fact that the guy who’s helped change your workout routine so that you can accept the beating you take – Alex Guerrero – has been marginalized and lampooned.

You think about how – for the first time in 18 years – you tried to branch out off the field with something you were passionate about and how the eye-rolling and dismissiveness rained down until Guerrero was exiled.

And you return to the sideline after an incompletion against the Bills in early December. You are being looked at as the golden goose with only so many golden eggs left to squeeze out. You are 40. Jimmy’s gone and they are stuck with you. Everything you do after all these years is seen through the prism of age. You feel there’s a bogus expiration date on your forehead.

You’re told twice you missed an open receiver.

And you’ve heard enough.

“F--- you!”
 
I didn't catch that implication at all. You obviously did and I'm being 100% honest when I tell you I don't know what else to say.
No, sorry. I didn't watch him tonight. I was asking if he said anything to that effect?
 
This is the part where Curran goes off his meds, acts as if Wickersham is spitting facts and makes brady look like a whiny crybaby.
He not only gives credence to the bs he implies brady believes it and is acting out because of it, while he decides to take the approach that he know what is in Brady’s head. Very weak.

Eh, maybe it is because I like Curran so I will always give him the benefit of the doubt, but I didn't take it that way. He prefaces that section with "Flip it. Look at it through Brady’s eyes." I didn't take it as gospel that he knew what TB was thinking, I just took it as Curran spitballing and trying to get us to walk for the proverbial minute in the man's shoes.
 
Eh, maybe it is because I like Curran so I will always give him the benefit of the doubt, but I didn't take it that way. He prefaces that section with "Flip it. Look at it through Brady’s eyes." I didn't take it as gospel that he knew what TB was thinking, I just took it as Curran spitballing and trying to get us to walk for the proverbial minute in the man's shoes.

He was absolutely trying to do that.

To what purpose? Brady was already hammered by Wickersham. Curran's piece did not do Brady any favors.
 
Curran is defending Brady again right now on NBCBO.
 
I took it as TC defending TB but apparently it didn't come across the way he intended.
 
I'm convinced, like a fair number of others, that someone in the NE locker room has portrayed him in a clearly unflattering light. And a lecherous **** like Wickersham was only too happy to lap it all up and write the type of story he did. Wickersham didn't make all this up by himself. Some MFer(s) stabbed TB in the back and lied about him. That's what I believe.
 
Not sure if this has been posted in the last 40 pages of this thread. Interesting perspective.

Tom Brady Is Drowning In His Own Pseudoscience

This is more schlock blog writing. It could have been good reporting if she stuck to the sources, but calling it psuedoscience is crazy.

Here are just a few problems:

1. Drinking a lot of water has been studied by many researchers, and has been determined to be beneficial for any number of reasons. Drinking too much water can kill you. Tom is not advising people to drink so much water that you DIE.

2. The term pliability is a perfectly fine descriptor for the stretching and bending of muscles. If doctors have never heard it before, it's because they did badly on the vocab section of the GRE.

3. Guerrero's peddling of snake oil in the past has slimed his future endeavors, even though they are the normal things I hear when my children train locally with experts who train Olympians (relax, I don't pay that much; it is $15 per visit when done in a group!).

4. Tom's experience is juxtaposed against his fellow football players who try to build muscle, bulk up, etc. There's a context for what Tom is doing, and it is relative to the training standards of the NFL.

5. Tom is maybe a bad businessman hooking up in a venture with a man who has been censured by the FDA, but that just means he's a billionaire with money to burn; it doesn't make him duplicitous.

6. Tom is selling products in his book! Oh the horror! Peyton Manning would never do that!
 
Of all the stuff, sadly this is what I believe to be true. This pseudoscience crap is causing unnecessary distractions & tensions.

Agree.

People get caught up in the stuff and lose the ability to sort wheat from chaff. It doesn't seem to matter how intelligent they are. New evidence comes along that throws doubt on what was absolute truth, and they can't take it in.

I think Brady is brilliant on the football field, and in the preparation for that. I have no interest in what he thinks is going on at the cellular level in the human body. I just know too many really good scientists who are still trying to figure that out.

Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds
 
Jesus i can't believe how many people are reading the Curran article different than I did. I read it as a support piece saying all of this would be way inconsistent with who we know brad y to be. It was satire as I read it hence the f you at the end.
 
Jesus i can't believe how many people are reading the Curran article different than I did. I read it as a support piece saying all of this would be way inconsistent with who we know brad y to be. It was satire as I read it hence the f you at the end.
I did too, if that was his intention he missed because a lot of people see it differently.
 
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