Carson Palmer Retires

AndyJohnson said:

Seriously? Do you mean if we had to play with no Qb? If your standard is throwing 1 pass I think a lot of guys could do that. How about all the poor ones he threw?

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Mediocre stat line...no question. Aside from the td to patten he was in game managing mode after the brown to Harris fg block td. Kill clock and don’t turn the ball over. Any pick could’ve turned that game

Joey007 said:

As are you.

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That’s a lame comment. There is no rage at all in my argument only facts

Look those specific stats you showed me don’t look pretty, but you realize you made my point I made initially at the very beginning? What is he point of this argument! You’re that determined to show me Bledsoe sucks by digging into these very specific detailed stats?

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Huh? We have a difference of opinion. I am using facts to back up mine.

You basically have proved my point that you try to win arguments in any way possible, even when it’s over pretty irrelevant discussions.

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Well then you are doing exactly the same.

I am simply supporting my opinion with facts. You are the one “arguing”

I watched the guy play. Some of what you say is true, but I watched some great clutch moments out of the guy over the years that I wouldn’t see from a mediocre QB. The dude was good.

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Of course he made good plays. He made a decent amount of them. He also made a lot of not so good ones and had flaws that balanced out his strengths making him roughly the average of nfl QBs of his era which is backed up by all of the metrics people typically analyze.

And hey, if numbers never lie, you must think Rodgers is better than Brady due to his higher career passer rating and TD INT Ratio.

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If that were the only measure of a qb perhaps it might mean that but we know it isn’t. You will notice I used basically every available statistic in backing up my argument.

Stats are for losers, Andy.

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The implication of that is winning is all that matters. Drew Bledsoe had a career w/l of 101-98 which is, mediocre.

Ras-IR Dowling said:

Mediocre stat line...no question. Aside from the td to patten he was in game managing mode after the brown to Harris fg block td. Kill clock and don’t turn the ball over. Any pick could’ve turned that game

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That’s not true. He wasn’t managing the game he was playing poorly. Did you forget about the over his head throw to the middle of the field?

RDS11 said:

You are using 'literally' wrong. Literally giving me the last word would mean not replying to my post....

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Literally OFFERING you the last word but you chose not to take it.

These one liners are very telling...not much thought put into them, just because it's more important for you to 'literally' have the last word than substance.

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Not much thought needed to respond to why the coaching staff graded him poorly.

Says who ? You ? Even the Past coaching staff wasn't as harsh, according to 'Patriots Reign' by Holley.



Bledsoe QB rating that day : 77.9
Brady QB rating that day : 84.3
not a huge difference... and given that you said :



please explain to me how Bledsoe was so horrible that day given that he had a respectable rating, a rating not much lower than Brady by the way, and no turnovers ?

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You are kidding right? You saw the game I assume. Are you honestly telling me you are going to reduce how they played to a formula designed to give people who don’t understand football a way to compare different qb statistics?

Brady has played in 10 other AFC Championship games, and he had a rating below 77 five times. These games are hard, what Bledsoe did that day was good enough to get the Pats to the Super Bowl. There is plenty other stuff you can use to justify your mediocre assessment of his career. Getting his team to the Super Bowl is just not of these.

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There is obviously no point in continuing this. You are now the only person I have met ehibthinks Drew Bledsoe played well in that game. I have no interest in continuing to have a football discussion that devolves to abandoning all analysis to use a formula designed for novices.

And what would be 'the obvious' ? That Huard was better than Bledsoe ?!?

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Yeah because I said that didn’t I.
The obvious is the Bledsoe played like crap and the patriots won in spite of him and almost certainly huard would have played as well better but instead you argue Bledsoe must have played well because belichick decided to put him in.

This is pointless. Have your beloved last word.

"Lefty" Palmer is retiring? Jeez, I thought he did that FIVE YEARS AGO!

AndyJohnson said:

Literally OFFERING you the last word but you chose not to take it.

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What the hell does that mean ? You are 'literally offering' the last word, which I took, and then you are taking it away ?

AndyJohnson said:

You are kidding right? You saw the game I assume. Are you honestly telling me you are going to reduce how they played to a formula designed to give people who don’t understand football a way to compare different qb statistics?

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I saw the game. I saw one bonehead play, but I aso saw a passing TD (which the Pats didn't do very often in their last 8 games of that season) and a very clutch 3rd down throw to Brown (I think it was on a 3rd and 8) that allowed the Pats to milk the clock after.

Didn't play a good game, but it wasn't horrible either, as you stated. You are the one on record saying it was horrible, yet you have mentioned only 1 play to backup your argument. And again, the Pats coaching staff wasn't as harsh as you are.

AndyJohnson said:

There is obviously no point in continuing this. You are now the only person I have met ehibthinks Drew Bledsoe played well in that game.

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Never said that Bledsoe played well. It wasn't even the point of the argument. I pointed out that your post saying that Huard would probably have done better than Bledsoe wasn't even remotely objective at best.

AndyJohnson said:

I have no interest in continuing to have a football discussion that devolves to abandoning all analysis to use a formula designed for novices.

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So numbers don't lie except when they don't fit your argument. Okay, got it.

I'm wondering how many people on this board can actually calculate a QB rating themselves...you know, since it's for novice it should be pretty simple for most hardcore football fan to provide the calculation....just sayin'.

AndyJohnson said:

Yeah because I said that didn’t I.
The obvious is the Bledsoe played like crap and the patriots won in spite of him and almost certainly huard would have played as well better but instead you argue Bledsoe must have played well because belichick decided to put him in.

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Well, I can't read you mind, so no, I didn't know what the obvious was to you.
And I'll tell you what you told another poster. READ. I never argued that Bledsoe must have played well because Belichick decided to put him in. All I said was that, at the time, Belichick played Bledsoe because he thought that what was best for the team. And that meant that Belichick thought Bledsoe was a better option than Huard was.

AndyJohnson said:

This is pointless. Have your beloved last word.

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I'm taking it now. Will you take it away this time too ?

Joker said:

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lol

that clip with barbara walters is hilarious

joker.....what is your opinion on a man slapping a woman, when it "merits" it?

Tunescribe said:

Why?! Why should anyone care how a 37-year-old pampered multimillionaire who already has lived the dream spends his freaking retirement?

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I care, Scribe. I don't want this tan stiff on tv trying to be the next Tony Romo. Go play golf, Carson.

duce110 said:

Do you believe Larry Fitzgerald retires a Cardinal or does he ask for his release (if not under contract)? Could we finally see Fitz in a Pats uniform?

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Tunescribe said:

Why?! Why should anyone care how a 37-year-old pampered multimillionaire who already has lived the dream spends his freaking retirement?

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I'm not asking everyone to share in the sentiment. Omg just expressing. Begrudgery is a terrible burden to hold onto.

resdubwhite said:

I'm not asking everyone to share in the sentiment. Omg just expressing. Begrudgery is a terrible burden to hold onto.

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Yeah, but if he replaced Carson Palmer with Bono, pampered multimillionaire, I think you'd have a different response.

probably he should have had more success expecially in CIN...i was very unhappy about his injury on january 2006

a solid qb imho

all the best Carson

Joey007 said:

The division is going to be in that order for the next couple years IMO. Think Seattle is now going to go through a couple transition years where they hover around .500.

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If they actually thought that would happen they should probably blow it up, trade Wilson and whoever else they can get a return for and start over.

Clonamery said:

Yeah, but if he replaced Carson Palmer with Bono, pampered multimillionaire, I think you'd have a different response

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bono
Tax dodger extraordinaire and writer of ****e lyrics. Etc etc

Joey007 said:

The division is going to be in that order for the next couple years IMO. Think Seattle is now going to go through a couple transition years where they hover around .500.

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unless Arizona pulls Shurmur and gets him to bring one of those FA QB's with him.....might keep Fitz around for another year or two that way

PatriotReign said:

Can't wait to hear Joker's thoughts on the matter. This will be good!

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Has he weighed in yet? I didn't read every page. Did I miss it?

Dingleberry said:

Didn't Palmer say something along the lines of Brady did the crime, should do the time regarding Deflate BS?

He's not the douche nozzle that is Mark Brunnel, but F him and his career of losing.

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Couldn't agree more. I will never forget his comment about Brady and deflategate. **** this POS.

KontradictioN said:

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Carson Palmer's thread retires?