Brady for MVP this year or is there someone more deserving?

AndyJohnson said:

I’m saying he hasn’t had 3 bad games and I don’t care whether he throws it in or runs it in.
He played very well vs buffalo and Pittsburgh. I can’t believe people are trying to argue that.

Click to expand...

Nobody's saying "3 bad games." Speaking just for myself, I'm saying that he hasn't looked like quite the same player in that stretch since the achilles injury, both to my eyes and statistically. The usual pinpoint accuracy hasn't been reliably there.

Even if you pretend that the Miami game somehow doesn't count, in Buffalo and Pittsburgh he threw 1 TD vs. 2 INTs and was sacked 5 times. In the two games prior he had thrown 7 TDs vs. 1 INT and was sacked twice.

Yes, I think Brady deserves the MVP, and given the lack of competition this year I think he'll get it. But also yes, I believe the injury is affecting him. I'm kind of surprised that's even a controversial statement.

patchick said:

Even if you pretend that the Miami game somehow doesn't count, in Buffalo and Pittsburgh he threw 1 TD vs. 2 INTs and was sacked 5 times. In the two games prior he had thrown 7 TDs vs. 1 INT and was sacked twice.

Click to expand...

Counting the Buffalo INT as a legit INT is ridiculous, though, as it clearly was anything but.

Deus Irae said:

Counting the Buffalo INT as a legit INT is ridiculous, though, as it clearly was anything but.

Click to expand...

OK, but should we then start counting dropped INTs as though they had been completed? And do we similarly review all of the stats of opposing QBs to make sure they're "legit"?

In the end, for me it just comes down to Brady looking a smidgen less accurate (and maybe less mobile) since his injury. Do you really see no difference?

Gurley's MVP candidacy is picking up serious momentum while Brady's has sputtered of late

borg said:

Gurley's MVP candidacy is picking up serious momentum while Brady's has sputtered of late

Click to expand...

Of course. Every week there is a new guy the media finds to join the campaign vs Brady.

patchick said:

OK, but should we then start counting dropped INTs as though they had been completed? And do we similarly review all of the stats of opposing QBs to make sure they're "legit"?

In the end, for me it just comes down to Brady looking a smidgen less accurate (and maybe less mobile) since his injury. Do you really see no difference?

Click to expand...

A dropped INT (just like a dropped pass) comes within the construct of the game play. Blown calls do not. That's why people lose their minds over bad calls in the first place.

As for whether I see a difference, I see a guy who moved well enough in Buffalo, moved well enough in Pittsburgh, and had his annual crap game in Miami. Remember, Tom's worst game, save in Miami, was week one.

Arguably, his 3 worst games this year

Week one - Chiefs
Week six - Jets
Week fourteen - Dolphins

There's no real pattern there.

borg said:

Gurley's MVP candidacy is picking up serious momentum while Brady's has sputtered of late

Click to expand...

"Antonio Brown's candidacy is picking up serious momentum while Brady's has sputtered of late."
"Carson Wentz' candidacy is picking up serious momentum while Brady's has sputtered of late."

It's almost as if there's a media attempt to gin up an issue for ratings.

Lombardi please

Brady has just 2 TDs in his last 3 games, right?

He’ll need to pick it up to be safe

AvocadoIceCream said:

Brady has just 2 TDs in his last 3 games, right?

He’ll need to pick it up to be safe

Click to expand...

This isn’t baseball, nobody is going to vote based on analytics or metrics.

Brady won it last night IMO, or at least that’s the way it should be looked at. Gurley will get votes but not enough to matter.

borg said:

Gurley's MVP candidacy is picking up serious momentum while Brady's has sputtered of late

Click to expand...

no Gurls allowed

PatsGirl2011 said:

Of course. Every week there is a new guy the media finds to join the campaign vs Brady.

Click to expand...

Brady ....5 INTs in last 4 games
Brady ....73 passer rating in past 3 games
Brady... 2 TDs and 4 INTs in past 3 games
Jay Cutler....best QB on the field last week
Brady...inability to connect with WRs of late

If that is not the definition of sputtering...

As far as MVP right now, Brady is limping toward the finish line and fortunate other viable candidates have left the field on stretchers.
Brady leads his fellow QBs in most stat categories which certainly helps his candidacy, but lets be real ...his 2017 campaign is very solid but certainly not special. And as you can probably tell, I don't extend him special considerations based on his well-hydrated age.
This vote might bypass "best stats" and simply be judged on value to one's team. Brady's value is certainly understood...but...the Rams have an opportunity to triple their win total from 4 to 12 and Gurley has been the driving force for this monumental ascension... on pace for 2100 total yards and 20 TDs.

borg said:

If that is not the definition of sputtering...

Click to expand...

It's not the definition of sputtering. It's an example of how, in a small sample size, one bad data point can distort the whole finding.


Also, your post is a textbook example of cherry picking.

Deus Irae said:

It's not the definition of sputtering. It's an example of how, in a small sample size, one bad data point can distort the whole finding.


Also, your post is a textbook example of cherry picking.

Click to expand...

Subpar QB play over a quarter of a season equates to "one bad data point"?
Gotcha
Lets throw this stat into the bad data point pot....
0-13 on 3rd downs without Gronk = loss
Near total reliance on Gronk vs Pitt = win
Coincidence?
Team MVP?

patchick said:

Nobody's saying "3 bad games."

Click to expand...

Of course they are hard what started this.

Speaking just for myself, I'm saying that he hasn't looked like quite the same player in that stretch since the achilles injury, both to my eyes and statistically. The usual pinpoint accuracy hasn't been reliably there.

Click to expand...

He had one bad game. It fell within the last 3. Normally he had about 1 every 10 so yes I’m the last 3 games he has been worse than normal but that’s just a sample size thing.

Even if you pretend that the Miami game somehow doesn't count, in Buffalo and Pittsburgh he threw 1 TD vs. 2 INTs and was sacked 5 times. In the two games prior he had thrown 7 TDs vs. 1 INT and was sacked twice.

Click to expand...

So yesterday when he drove right down the field on both the first and last drive since they ran it in he played worse?
You are blaming him for being sacked?
The pick vs buffalo was a joke.

Yes, I think Brady deserves the MVP, and given the lack of competition this year I think he'll get it. But also yes, I believe the injury is affecting him. I'm kind of surprised that's even a controversial statement.

Click to expand...

He is winning because he is the best player in football not because there is no competition.

borg said:

Subpar QB play over a quarter of a season equates to "one bad data point"?
Gotcha
Lets throw this stat into the bad data point pot....
0-13 on 3rd downs without Gronk = loss
Near total reliance on Gronk vs Pitt = win
Coincidence?
Team MVP?

Click to expand...

It hasn't been "Subpar QB play over a quarter of a season".

borg said:

Subpar QB play over a quarter of a season equates to "one bad data point"?
Gotcha
Lets throw this stat into the bad data point pot....
0-13 on 3rd downs without Gronk = loss
Near total reliance on Gronk vs Pitt = win
Coincidence?
Team MVP?

Click to expand...

One bad game.
You are counting a game where he beat a division rival on the road by 20 completing 70% of his passes for over 8.5 ypa and a game where he beat an 11-2 team in the road when he brought his team from behind scoring 27 points with none of the benefit of turnovers and only 77 rushing yards all game in a game where he only had 8 drives, scored 3 TDs and 2 fgs on 8 drives, when his BEST field position was the -28 as a bad game. Evidently because you think running for TDs instead of throwing them is more important than winning because some formula created for novice fans says so.
Brady’s game last night was, overall probably one of the top 10 games a QBs has played this season but people have their heads too far up the ass of fantasy football to understand it.
It is really pathetic

If we go all the way this year, shouldn’t Tomlin at least be in the conversation?

I think Gurley is the other guy in the race with his monster game yesterday and AB amd Wentz out. A strong finish by the Rams led by Gurley, if Brady doesn’t pad his TD stats a bit, he would be a worthy winner. Should easily clear 2k allpurpose yards and 20 tds.

Deus Irae said:

"Antonio Brown's candidacy is picking up serious momentum while Brady's has sputtered of late."
"Carson Wentz' candidacy is picking up serious momentum while Brady's has sputtered of late."

It's almost as if there's a media attempt to gin up an issue for ratings.

Click to expand...

And then those guys get injured or fall off a 'cliff' (Wilson). Maybe by virtue of being on the cover this year (GOAT edition), Brady has taken control of the Madden curse and used it for his own ends! Be very afraid Gurley...