Official Post Game Thread - Pats destroy Raiders!!!!!!

shmessy said:

He and Bennett were visibly struggling with the altitude today. Bennett in particular was shown on multiple occasions between snaps barely getting to the LOS in time for the snap. Gronk came off the field a couple of times looking straight for the 02 masks.

Bigger bodies having to repeatedly run routes had a tougher time of it today than others.

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Relatively early in the game I saw a Raider DB motioning to his sideline. It was a closeup view of him and lip reading he appeared to be saying "I can't breath" (saying it twice). Of course it could have been "I can't read" but he presumably paid attention in college and is literate

TheBostonStraggler said:

The Big Lead -- something I originally found linked from USA Today (something I bookmarked some weeks back. I just had a feeling it may be a comedy gold post by season's end).

Seven Reasons the New England Patriots Dynasty Ends This Season

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He must have wet his pants after week 1 from excitement.

Deus Irae said:

I read that. It's got to be a bad attempt at comedy.

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Oh d%#*!@t Deus, you are ruining my posting fun from this "Big Lead" knucklehead's mostly un-serious stories&blogging.

TheBostonStraggler said:

Relatively early in the game I saw a Raider DB motioning to his sideline. It was a closeup view of him and lip reading he appeared to be saying "I can't breath" (saying it twice). Of course it could have been "I can't read" but he presumably paid attention in college and is literate

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I saw that too. He was in distress.

I think Bennett and Gronk experienced similar situations to differing degrees. It was notable on the telecast.

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shmessy said:

I saw that too. He was in distress.

I think Bennett and Gronk experienced similar situations to differing degrees. It was notable on the telecast.

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7000+ friggin feet is crazy. Unless you have players on the active roster that were formerly Nepal Sherpas, if the NFL puts a team in Mexico City it will be the very definition of HFA.
Who knows, maybe the NFL will allow visiting teams to setup hyperbaric oxygen chambers on the sideline.

Kdo5 said:

That's why I said it would come. Yeah utilizing Gronk more in the red zone would be preferable. I meant in general it is probably good to lighten the load on him. It's possible he is just being heavily covered. Not sure why we haven't gone to him more.

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After the Carolina game the Pats seem to have changed their O line protection scheme to give Brady a little more time and to take less hits. That may have something to do with it. But it's nice to know there's another major offensive weapon available if needed.

TheBostonStraggler said:

The Big Lead -- something I originally found linked from USA Today (something I bookmarked some weeks back. I just had a feeling it may be a comedy gold post by season's end).

Seven Reasons the New England Patriots Dynasty Ends This Season

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I got to get me a media gig. Just sit down with my morning coffee at the computer, vomit up my breakfast onto the keyboard, hit send, and wait for a check. Not bad.

Tony2046 said:

After the Carolina game the Pats seem to have changed their O line protection scheme to give Brady a little more time and to take less hits. That may have something to do with it. But it's nice to know there's another major offensive weapon available if needed.

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I don't exactly know what they did with the OL but it's working. And when the OL does a good protection job for Brady then almost always good things happen for us Patriot fans.

TheBostonStraggler said:

I don't exactly know what they did with the OL but it's working. And when the OL does a good protection job for Brady then almost always good things happen for us Patriot fans.

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Well one thing I have seen is more contribution from the RB's and the TE's in pass protection. Harder chips before releasing into a route and better blitz pick ups from the RB's. I've also seen 6 and 7 man blocking schemes.

The two TE sets are freaking great especially now that Allen has started becoming more active in the passing game. Having two TE's, two WR's and a RB pretty much means they could run just about any play run or pass from the same formation. A great match up generator and has the additional pass protection option.

Side note: Having two pass catching TE's is much different than having 7 O linemen. 7 O linemen simply brings in more defensive personnel into the box whereas 5 Olinemen and 2 TE's adds to the pass protection but also the threat of a quick out. One is easier to pass rush than the other.

I know you know that but I enjoy it so much I had to post it. Keeping such enthusiasm penned up is not healthy.

QuantumMechanic said:

Still no reason not to use him in the red area, especially inside the 10. Those are high leverage situations.

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Once we were up 4 scores they become low leverage. There was no reason to overuse Gronk simply to achieve a more impressive margin of victory. I also think we started calling vanilla offensive plays for a similar reason.

NE-VT said:

Once we were up 4 scores they become low leverage. There was no reason to overuse Gronk simply to achieve a more impressive margin of victory. I also think we started calling vanilla offensive plays for a similar reason.

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Yeah there's a point where burning the clock becomes the objective. Unfortunately they still had 30 minutes left to play. That's a lot of time to burn.

Pass rush seemed a little bit better at points as well I thought

Tony2046 said:

Yeah there's a point where burning the clock becomes the objective. Unfortunately they still had 30 minutes left to play. That's a lot of time to burn.

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It's a classy problem.

Deus Irae said:

Burkhead is not a better overall playmaker, on any basis.

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Deus Irae said:

As a RB positioned receiver? No.

Out of the slot? Probably, but that's not really RB work.

Burkhead as a slot WR more often is one of the things I've been calling for all season (when he's been healthy), and it's something I championed in the offseason.

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Going 5 wide out of 21 and 12 personnel is a reoccurring method we use to exploit defensive match-ups. IMO, Dion Lewis has not shown the slot-receiver route running capacity of Burkhead or White. Lining up in the slot is an important RB skill on our team. You don't call Gronk a WR when he is lined up wide. A player's position is a function of their overall skill-set, not where they are lined up on a given play. White and Burkhead's ability to run slot routes makes them better overall playmakers in a very important sense.

NE-VT said:

Going 5 wide out of 21 and 12 personnel is a reoccurring method we use to exploit defensive match-ups. IMO, Dion Lewis has not shown the slot-receiver route running capacity of Burkhead or White. Lining up in the slot is an important RB skill on our team. You don't call Gronk a WR when he is lined up wide. A player's position is a function of their overall skill-set, not where they are lined up on a given play. White and Burkhead's ability to run slot routes makes them better overall playmakers in a very important sense.

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TheBostonStraggler said:

And it was written by a guy who is, presumably, paid by USA Today to blog about various subjects. Just confirms what most Boston sports media has always taught me: ineptitude is not a handicap for that profession's employment.

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Eh. It's not ineptitude per se. A USA Today guy is going to basically know nothing about the Patriots. This is purely a market driven move. The guy figures, well, at age 40 I've got at least a halfway decent chance of being right. If I am, I can crow about it. If I'm not, nobody will remember it. (other than Patriots fans, but that isn't the USA Today market. Their market is the breakfast room at hotels in San Jose CA.)

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First you complain when people don't explain why you are wrong. Then you express displeasure when they do explain it.

BobDigital said:

We learned a few things this week.

AFC

KC - total freefall and Alex has officially ran out of the Space Jam 'Special Stuff' water.
Pitt - They will crush weak teams particularly at home but they are as bad an 8-2 team as i have ever seen.
Jags - They are basically just like Pitt but without experience at QB and lacking a star WR like Brown.

No one else in the AFC really matters and the Pats may well run the table without having another close game in this trash AFC.

NFC

Saints are to be feared. Their D still has issues but Brees like Brady has the ability to make magic happen
Vikings even without great QB play make things happen with a great cast and their QB play is servicable.
Rams are the pretenders I thought they were... not a bad team but just not ready.
Carolina is silently being a dark horse. Good D and the offense is equally likely to make a bunch of plays or stink.
Philly... wait and see. They are good but young
Seattle has a few player left I hear. But I have no proof they will be able to field a team.

Falcons/Cowboys - We will see but probably will just be too inconsistent.

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Agree with this. I don't think PITT scares anyone in a SB in a dome. NE is scary anywhere, but I think the JAGs are also, They almost don't need an offense with that dominating front 4 can stop a run game.

Vikings are impressive with new QB, and their D is for real.
Might as well just call them the NC Cam's lol. That guy is so immature, egotistic, inconsistent, and we have shown that if you force Cam to throw you can blow them up. If I was an AFC team I would hope the NC Cam's get to the SB. If you want a great chance to win.

We might have something here in NO. I am waiting for RAMs game and wanted a 2-1 wins over the last 3 games to see if Saints are any good. 2-0 now, but want to see the Rams game.
The win today vs Redskins reminds me of the 2009 SB team that was getting blown out vs Dolphins at halftime. I think the Redskins are a lot better than their record shows, almost beating all of the best teams in the NFL, just coming up a few points short. They play a very hard smash mouth FB and I would love Cousins to play for NO if Brees stepped down. Think Skins are idiots for not signing him and don't think he will be in DC next season. A smart accurate kid with a good arm.He would do well in NE also. KC with a good offense and OL would be very dangerous.

Our D didn't do well after marshon lattimore and a DT went out, but they held when they had to. Alot of good weapons in NO, but having Brees and having the ability with 2:40 sec left and down 15pts to score, and then D stops, and with 1:38 secs scoring again and getting 2 points for OT , gives the team so much confidence. Think down the road knowing we can pull a game like that out will help as a team.
I think the Dolphins comeback helped that 2009 team vs Colts when down.


Think I'm going to watch the defense very closely the next 3 games
Rams
NC Cam's (beat 35-10 last time)
Falcons

IF we can just win 2-1 with The Cam's being a must win, because you know better than anyone Cam is not magnanimous, and likes to rub it in. Plus secures possible Div title our 4th under SP. Hope so Brees has deserve just a decent D for years.
Are our Boys, Saints to be feared ?.. hmm.. yeah I'm starting to think so, especially with this win shows Brees can still will the win, 11-11 ,with a good D and Ingram-Kamara can make up points in 1 quarter.
I'm very impressed with Cousins, he took some hits and got up, and NE so proud of your boys.

ALP said:

I think the reason the AFCE seems to be "average" this year is because the pats dont wreck those teams until the last 7 weeks

after the season is over, all 3 will be easily out of contention

and the way the other top AFC teams are failing, we may have an easier than expected trip to SB, where we will face a real challenge in prob vikes, eagles, but most likely saints (and the saints is who i want)

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We would love that, Greatly respected team and fans, killer Tailgate food on both sides, and Brady VS Brees would be the most watched SB I think. Epic battle where we both know the game is never over till clock is 0:00. Would be a fun game. Lets hope, we have wanted this SB for years.







Turtle Burger dog
We would be fat and drunk lol

NE-VT said:

Going 5 wide out of 21 and 12 personnel is a reoccurring method we use to exploit defensive match-ups. IMO, Dion Lewis has not shown the slot-receiver route running capacity of Burkhead or White. Lining up in the slot is an important RB skill on our team. You don't call Gronk a WR when he is lined up wide. A player's position is a function of their overall skill-set, not where they are lined up on a given play. White and Burkhead's ability to run slot routes makes them better overall playmakers in a very important sense.

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I try to stay away from agitating you but sometimes you're just so goddyamed condescending it's impossible to lay off.

Going 5 wide out of 21 and 12 personnel is a reoccurring method we use to exploit defensive match-ups.
Been watching the NFL for over 60 years, played ball up to college. I have no idea what the eff "21 and 12 personnel" means. This is the first time I've ever heard it used ANYWHERE by anybody related to the NFL, sports stations, blogs, former coaches etc. You say "we" as if YOU are part of the Pats coaching staff. Are you?

IMO, Dion Lewis has not shown the slot-receiver route running capacity of Burkhead or White.
I attend games as well as watch them every Sunday. I've seen Lewis out of the slot two years ago,even with Edelman being the primary slot.Just because he hasn't shown it to you THIS season doesn't mean he cannot perform that function.It means the Pats have two other players that can, giving Lewis more chances at his optimum position...but yeah, just IMO your way out of a pure BS take.

You don't call Gronk a WR when he is lined up wide. A player's position is a function of their overall skill-set, not where they are lined up on a given play.
well, this a dyamned if you do/don't proposition on your part. If Gronk is lined up at WR in a five wide set guess what? He IS a WR. So are White and Burkhead NOT RB's but slot receivers instead? Really? You actually believe THIS?

White and Burkhead's ability to run slot routes makes them better overall playmakers in a very important sense.

well, elaborate then. What very important sense? Name it with examples. I see Lewis 4/28 yards and a TD as a receiver. I see Burkhead with 4/21 and White with 0/0. Look ,I'm not going to sit here and tear away at James White OR Burkhead. They are very important cogs in the Pats offense, but to denigrate Dion Lewis like you have just done, based on practically nothing is just plain ridiculous. I witnessed the dynamism Dion Lewis brought to this offense 2 years ago. He is back from that horrendous knee injury at last and is BACK to his play making ability.