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Andrew Luck to IR: Colts (un)officially in the hunt for a top 3 pick


Brady playoffs : 63 TDs. 31 INTs.

Montana : 45 & 21.
 
I suppose you’re right about Marino, though I’d argue it’s rare to find someone who rates him as #1. The difference, I’d say, between him and Brady/Montana is the winning.

You could argue that winning is too heavily slanted when considering QBs, but I think there is merit. The position is crucial. And performing in tough spots is a way to define greatness. Luck has fallen short.
 
I suppose you’re right about Marino, though I’d argue it’s rare to find someone who rates him as #1. The difference, I’d say, between him and Brady/Montana is the winning.

You could argue that winning is too heavily slanted when considering QBs, but I think there is merit. The position is crucial. And performing in tough spots is a way to define greatness. Luck has fallen short.

I don't think Luck's been quite what many thought he would be, but I think it's unfair to lay all of that on him. That team's been under completely incompetent leadership for years. Remember, The year before "Suck for Luck", Manning had managed only a 10-6 record, and Luck managed to drag that team to 11-5 in each of his first 3 seasons.

And, I don't know anyone who claims his play has been at the "generational" level, to date, so I'm not really sure how overrated even comes into the equation, because he's obviously a very good QB when healthy.
 
I don't think Luck's been quite what many thought he would be, but I think it's unfair to lay all of that on him. That team's been under completely incompetent leadership for years. Remember, The year before "Suck for Luck", Manning had managed only a 10-6 record, and Luck managed to drag that team to 11-5 in each of his first 3 seasons.

And, I don't know anyone who claims his play has been at the "generational" level, to date, so I'm not really sure how overrated even comes into the equation, because he's obviously a very good QB when healthy.
This is fair.

I still think he's a bit further away from what many though (think) he'd be (is).
 
This is fair.

I still think he's a bit further away from what many though (think) he'd be (is).


That is also a fair take.
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I don't think Luck's been quite what many thought he would be, but I think it's unfair to lay all of that on him. That team's been under completely incompetent leadership for years. Remember, The year before "Suck for Luck", Manning had managed only a 10-6 record, and Luck managed to drag that team to 11-5 in each of his first 3 seasons.

And, I don't know anyone who claims his play has been at the "generational" level, to date, so I'm not really sure how overrated even comes into the equation, because he's obviously a very good QB when healthy.

There have been many, many, posts on this board about how much credit for the Patriots unprecedented long term sustainable success is due to BB, and how much is due to having the greatest quarterback of all time.

You have been one of the leaders in making cogent arguments for why having Brady makes everything else easier, and his impact on the team's success is vastly underestimated. Simply, I agree.

However, I occasionally wonder what would have happened if Brady had ended up in an average organization with average coaching, as opposed to the top coaching he received under BB. I have also occasionally wondered what would have happened if he had ended up in a terrible organization.

My opinion is that Brady is so transcendent that he would have probably uplifted even a lousy organization to at least one Championship. And, to be clear, Luck is a million miles below Brady when it comes to talent, intangibles, work ethic, etc.

Nevertheless, Luck was one of the most gifted quarterbacks that has ever come out from college, with the full package of athletic gifts, intangibles, and work effort. It is a tragedy that he ended up with the Grigson Colts. Just as Brady (and perhaps Montana) landed in the perfect situation, Luck ended up in the worst possible one. I wonder what could have been. I also wonder if he can resurrect his career in a different situation, or if he has been irrevocably damaged by his organization in a similar way to what the Texans did to David Carr.
 
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Every other scout, every other executive, literally every single individual involved in the NFL in any capacity said “Indy’s run defense is trash, they should draft Malcom Brown right now”... but Grigson could see beyond what everyone else could see - he felt, no he KNEW - what Indy REALLY needed was yet another fast receiver, one that would ultimately give the team nothing and be traded for New England’s third-string QB because all of Indy’s other QBs besides Luck were inexplicably still trash.

Well to be fair its widely known that Tom Brady's backups are worth a 1st round pick.:D
 
Lets say Luck checks out ok after this would anybody be opposed to him being Brady's eventual successor?? I think Luck is going to be really good for his next Team.

I don't know if I could stand looking at his geico commercial Neanderthal face at every press conference. But I'm sure he would play well here
 
Remember how the Colts organization intentionally tanked their season to get Andrew Luck in the draft?
Karma!!
 
Luck has (had?) all the tools to become a great QB and he came in NFL ready but unfortunately for him he was drafted by a dysfunctional organization and had to work with a dumbass coach who knows nothing. There is no way Luck doesn't succeed with BB as his coach unless he is too stubborn. Just by cutting those stupid picks out of the picture his play and results would improve drastically and that would be the first thing BB (or any other decent coach) would do.
 
Wasn't Andrew Luck supposed to be the face of the league by now?

In fact, he was supposed to already own the league by 2014..........but Tommy keeps on tickin'
 
Long predicted and no surprise.

It's too bad what Andrew Luck has had to endure playing for the Colts. It reminds me of Archie Manning and the Saints. Perhaps some day Luck will get a team more worthy of his talent.
"Salty" Andy Luck is getting no more than he deserves for having the nerve to complain about what he knew was the charade of Deflategate and for being associated with the team that Irsay and Grigson built and that helped set up Tom Brady.

The Karma toll rises for those who were part of that charade:
Kensil. Demoted.
Grigson, Fired by Colts. Hired by Browns (almost punishment enough)
Mortensen. Struck with cancer (may be safely recover and learn never to do evil again)
Ravens and Harbaugh. Losing records and no return to the playoffs.
Pagano. Three futile seasons and a much anticipated firing.
D'Qwell Jackson. Arrested for Assault. Suspend for using PED's. Released by Colts.

It's not nice to mess with Tom Brady!
 
I don't think Luck's been quite what many thought he would be, but I think it's unfair to lay all of that on him. That team's been under completely incompetent leadership for years. Remember, The year before "Suck for Luck", Manning had managed only a 10-6 record, and Luck managed to drag that team to 11-5 in each of his first 3 seasons.

And, I don't know anyone who claims his play has been at the "generational" level, to date, so I'm not really sure how overrated even comes into the equation, because he's obviously a very good QB when healthy.

Yes also agree, good point.

Now, he was definitely over-hyped -and at the worst career moment in hindsight- but that was more a league mandate to their marketing arm, and echo chambered as the flavor of the week by sports media. But for many these days, what is said loudly and often enough does in fact becomes the new reality. Results on the field to back it up or no.

Just another factor to consider for the debate on deciding if Luck is, or is not, as good as They say he is.
 
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Luck has (had?) all the tools to become a great QB and he came in NFL ready but unfortunately for him he was drafted by a dysfunctional organization and had to work with a dumbass coach who knows nothing. There is no way Luck doesn't succeed with BB as his coach unless he is too stubborn. Just by cutting those stupid picks out of the picture his play and results would improve drastically and that would be the first thing BB (or any other decent coach) would do.
Absolutely agree! Luck would be a great player here in New England. Sadly his career has been wasted by a lousy coach and lousy organization. The guy has spent his career running for his life behind a terrible O line that's never been fixed.
 
Poor Brissett. Well, I correct myself. Brissett is living the dream right now, he's getting all the experience he could possibly want and then some. It's up to him whether he can find a way to use it and improve.
 
That would be hilarious. Colts get a great talent at QB and have completely screwed him

We would have won a Super Bowl with Andrew Luck here since 2012.

Frankly, the logical course for Indy is to shut AL down and draft a stud QB next year.

As a proven franchise QB, a healed AL would be worth a fortune with so many teams (AZ, Minn, Jax, Giants, TB, Denver, Carolina....) in win now mode and needing a QB.

The reality is Indy is so far away, their only hope in the tournament is massive talent upgrades.
 
We would have won a Super Bowl with Andrew Luck here since 2012.

Frankly, the logical course for Indy is to shut AL down and draft a stud QB next year.

As a proven franchise QB, a healed AL would be worth a fortune with so many teams (AZ, Minn, Jax, Giants, TB, Denver, Carolina....) in win now mode and needing a QB.

The reality is Indy is so far away, their only hope in the tournament is massive talent upgrades.
I'm just shocked that they got this guy giftwrapped and they dont upgrade their offensive line to protect him.
 
Sucking to pick the next "hot" QB is the Colts version of Groundhog Day
 
I'm just shocked that they got this guy giftwrapped and they dont upgrade their offensive line to protect him.

My guess is they are still stuck in the Polian mindset that you build a team with top heavy superstar skill guys.

Why they drafted Dorsett when Malcom Brown was there is beyond compare.

Also, I bet making the playoffs 2012/3/4 not only produced a finalist banner but instilled a false sense of security.

If the Browns had a healthy Luck right now they would be minimum 5-3.

Unless it's another Luck on the St Ignatius High School Wall of Fame, I believe Luck's father is from Cleveland.
 


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