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Thoughts on Mike Gillislee so far?


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Burkhead is not a #1 guy either...



Say what you want about Blount, at least we could run PA with him because Defenses were scared of him. No one is scared of Gillislee and our PA is useless this year.

BB the Gm made a mistake with gillislee

Cut bait with him his off-season and draft a rookie in the 3-4th rounds..maybe we will get lucky and land another Kareem Hunt
 
I think he's been good. The issue with his numbers is we've been behind in basically every game, unlike last year when we'd often be up a score or 2 and Blount would get lots of carries to kill the clock.
 
Burkhead is not a #1 guy either...



Say what you want about Blount, at least we could run PA with him because Defenses were scared of him. No one is scared of Gillislee and our PA is useless this year.

We could run PA with Blount but for some reason never did. Always was a run with him in the backfield. Same with Gillislee and both players have suffered because of this.
 
We could run PA with Blount but for some reason never did. Always was a run with him in the backfield. Same with Gillislee and both players have suffered because of this.

Blount carried the ball on only 58% of the snaps he was on the field for last season. What happened the other 42% of the time?
 
Is Gillislee the victim of high expectations? Since when did he suddenly become a scapegoat?

He's largely a fine running back. He needs to execute and find a way to penetrate into the second-level defense. Also needs to be more effective in short-yardage situations.

He can still improve. I don't doubt his ability.
 
A couple things:

I don't believe that the 2017 ground game was designed, personnel-wise, to be a "lead-runner and supporting cast" type like it was in 2016 (and 2012). In fact, that type of ground game has been the anomaly for the Pats since at least 2009. In the more typical "RBBC" year, the "leading rusher" (usually not by much) has averaged only 13.5 carries and 54 yards per game. Gillislee has averaged 13.2 carries per game and 48 yards per game.

It appears that Gillislee is being used as a classic "lead runner" in the Blount category, but I think that's mostly due to (a) Burkhead having been OUT for four games, and (b) Lewis still working his way back into best form, and (c) the Pats passing more often this year than last so far (60% versus 53%).

OTOH, Lewis had 11/52 against the Jets - in range of the 13.5/54 RBBC average - while Gillislee had 10/44 (also in range) and white had 2/23. This distribution was much closer to what I believe that Pats were hoping for out of this year's RB corps.

Also, White has already carried the ball 23 times for 99 yards in six games this season. He had 39 carries and 166 yards for all of 2016. So he's being used as a runner more.

Furthermore, Gillislee is indeed being used differently than he has ever before in his career. This season, in six games, he already has 79 carries on 130 snaps. Last season in Buffalo (his most productive prior season) he had 101 carries in 283 snaps in 15 games.

In spite of missing most of Camp and bearing a significantly increased workload in a different scheme since the start of the regular season, Gillislee's YPA has steadily improved.

Anyway, if fans are disappointed in Gillislee, it's probably because they were expecting him to be a 1:1 Blount replacement. He was never going to be that.
 
Blount carried the ball on only 58% of the snaps he was on the field for last season. What happened the other 42% of the time?

Would be interested in seeing this breakdown also with formations. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 58% were with TB under center and most of the 42% were shotgun. In other words, still a dead giveaway.
 
7 of Gillislee's 10 carries went for 4+ yards yesterday. He's playing extremely well despite the fumble. Patriots fans are never satisfied unless a free agent pickup turns out to be an All-Pro. The Patriots just have a healthy variety of talented backs that they can afford to rotate and play the hot hand. That's a good thing for anyone who doesn't think only of individual statistical leaderboards.
 
Patriots fans are never satisfied unless a free agent pickup turns out to be an All-Pro.

So I'm most-often considered a homer. I don't think anyone has ever called me a hater or negative.

I think the bar isn't All-Pro, it's Blount.

Right now I think we're getting less from Gillislee than we would be getting from Blount, so unless things change this is going to be a swing and miss from BB for me. I'll allow him a few more before I start calling for his head.

At this point our best runner is Dion and it's not even close.
 
Would be interested in seeing this breakdown also with formations. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 58% were with TB under center and most of the 42% were shotgun. In other words, still a dead giveaway.

IDK. Probably not a night-and-day difference, though, considering that Blount wasn't stellar in pass-pro and blitz pickup.

Reiss might have a breakdown. Or Chatham. Reiss usually answers questions through his personal blog/website.
 
Gillislee is not a Blount type of running back. He is hopefully a better version of Stevan Ridley without the fumbling issue. Getting Burkhead back should help, especially in catching short passes out of the backfield. None of the Pats runners (other than Develin who almost never runs) is a "pound up the middle, get a few yards" runner. It is interesting that the editor of the NE Patriots Draft site listed Kareem Hunt as a dark horse draft choice that he felt would fit well in the Pats' backfield.
 
So I'm most-often considered a homer. I don't think anyone has ever called me a hater or negative.

I think the bar isn't All-Pro, it's Blount.

Right now I think we're getting less from Gillislee than we would be getting from Blount, so unless things change this is going to be a swing and miss from BB for me. I'll allow him a few more before I start calling for his head.

At this point our best runner is Dion and it's not even close.

From 2 pages ago:

Right, and comparing full year stats to 5 games isn't fair, either. Through 5 games last year, Blount was averaging 3.67 yards per carry, just a tenth of a yard more than Gillislee is this year, and that included the 41 yard touchdown run against the Texans. Take that away and Blount was averaging just 3.31 yards per carry through the first 5 games.

And imagining that Blount was more consistent than Gillislee is wrong, too. Taking out runs that resulted in a touchdown from inside the opponent's 3 yard line, Blount gained 3 or more yards on just 52% of rushes last season, and 4 or more on just 41% of his rushes (taking out TDs from 3 or fewer yards out). Taking out Gillislee's short touchdowns against the Chiefs and Saints, he's gained 3 or more yards on 62% of his rushes this year, and 4 or more on 51%. I don't have time to calculate short yardage success rates but I'm not sure there's a discernible difference thus far.

Based on those success rates, over a full year, Gillislee would rate among some of the better running back seasons of the last decade (for example, Ray Rice in 2009 and Shaun Alexander in 2005 are comparables in this measure of success, though both broke off long runs with more consistency than Gillislee) while Blount's 2016 was Antowain Smith-esque in this category but more impressive in his rate of 10+ yard runs. In other words, Blount gained his yardage in chunks on big runs while being stuffed quite often, while Gillislee has been chugging away with consistent carries of 3-6 yards but failing to break big ones. Pick your poison, though I think Gillislee will break a few big ones because he's been real close and over the past three years he's been consistently one of the bigger home-run hitters in football on a per-carry basis. As noted, though, sustaining that over a full season is the trick.

Gillislee's game against the Jets improved that success rate. He's actually having an extremely good season on a per-carry basis.

All of the negative comparisons to Blount are based on rose-tinted 20/20 hindsight. People remember the short yardage touchdowns but don't remember all the times Blount got stuffed at the goal line and recall the long touchdown runs but not the many no gains. And I like Blount.
 
Gillislee is not a Blount type of running back. He is hopefully a better version of Stevan Ridley without the fumbling issue. Getting Burkhead back should help, especially in catching short passes out of the backfield. None of the Pats runners (other than Develin who almost never runs) is a "pound up the middle, get a few yards" runner. It is interesting that the editor of the NE Patriots Draft site listed Kareem Hunt as a dark horse draft choice that he felt would fit well in the Pats' backfield.

Hunt was my first binky for the 2017 draft. :(
 
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