Incredibly important week for the Patriots

AndyJohnson said:

You said statement saying a case could be made the patriots are a fraud 3-2 team was accurate.
I disagree. I thing the patriots are legitimately a team that should win 60% or more of their games.

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I agree that we are not a fraud 60% (3-2) team.

I would note that you disagree with those who suggest that the patriots will win a bit more than 60% off their games, our current pace. 10-6 is 62.5%.

I do think that we'll win more and go 11-5.

PatsDeb said:

If we lose, I agree with you. But even if we just "eke" out a win, that will be ok in my book. The Jets always play us tough, but we usually find a way to win. I will be curious to see if the better game by the D carries over, as well as whether Gronk being late scratch was the reason our O was pretty pedestrian. I also want to see improvement on Brady getting knocked down. Lots to watch for in this game.

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I expect that we should be a 9-1 favorite to win this game. However, even if we lose to one of the very worst teams in the NFL in their house, we would still be highly favored and likely to win our division.

mgteich said:

I agree that we are not a fraud 60% (3-2) team.

I would note that you disagree with those who suggest that the patriots will win a bit more than 60% off their games, our current pace. 10-6 is 62.5%.

I do think that we'll win more and go 11-5.

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Yes I disagree we will ONLY win a bit more than 60%.

In my opinion the Jets and Bills are two of the worst 3-2 teams of all time, i predict 13-3 for us

I still believe in the Rex Ryan strategy for beating the Pats, keep Brady on his back and on the bench.

Easier said then done, and with Powell and Forte banged up the ground and pound is less likely, also though the Pats Oline has not look good as of late, the Jets Dline also has not been world beaters.

You never know, but my gut says the Pats run up the score to 40+ and the Jets score maybe at most 24.

There is absolutely no excuse for the Patriots to win this game by less than double digits. The NYJ are a complete joke. Spare me the "they always play 'us' tough" crap. The NYJ were the consensus pick for #32 in the league and #1 pick next April.

The only things that SHOULD keep this game close would be a monsoon (pouring rain and wind is always a huge mitigating factor) or a rash of injuries on the Pats side - like going into the game with no Gronkowksi, half the oline injured, and Matthew Slater as your #3 receiver

The Patriots should not need more late game heroics from Brady in this one, rather Garrapollo should be taking snaps for the last 4 minutes of the game...

fair catch fryar said:

No matter how bad you think they are...never write off the Jets when they play the Patriots.

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Patriots are 8-2 in their last 10 games vs. the Jets, and 22-8 in the last 30 matchups.

So, yeah. I'll write em off, thanks.

supafly said:

Hope you're right, but they're still a much tougher team at Arrowhead stadium.

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The Chiefs have lost their last 5 home playoff games. Their last win at home was against the Steelers in the 93 Wildcard Game. In Overtime. Joe Montana was the QB.

TommyD4207 said:

The Chiefs have lost their last 5 home playoff games. Their last win at home was against the Steelers in the 93 Wildcard Game. In Overtime. Joe Montana was the QB.

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They're still a much tougher team at home than they are on the road, as Arrowhead provides a challenge.

The Patriots were a botched Billy Cundiff chip shot FG away from losing 4 in a row at home in the playoffs themselves, obviously before winning 2 more SBs.

DarrylS said:

Cannot be all that important BB went apple picking with Linda.. what a slacker

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Ummm...if they went apple picking...why is BB holding what I have to assume are grapes????????

AndyJohnson said:

The entire jets DL has a total of 0 sacks this year.

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And the Bucs had one...prior to playing the Pats OL. Guess we'll see if the huge talent disparity on paper translates.

AndyJohnson said:

Not sure what that is supposed to mean.

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Maybe horrendous penalty calls or being so decimated by injuries BB opts to kick off to start OT...

AndyJohnson said:

Yes I disagree we will ONLY win a bit more than 60%.

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So, you are predicting "only a bit more than 60%); that is, you are predicting 10-6?

mgteich said:

So, you are predicting "only a bit more than 60%); that is, you are predicting 10-6?

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No I am predicting better than 10-6.
Probably 12-4.

PScottman said:

Maybe horrendous penalty calls or being so decimated by injuries BB opts to kick off to start OT...

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I don't think those would be enough for this jets team

If this team is a fraud 3-2, the 2003 Pats were a fraud 14-2. That team was easily a handful of plays from 10-6. By the time they flipped that 31-0 score on Buffalo in the finale, we knew they were ready.

I don't care if they're pulling games out their backside now, as long as they're solid by late December. I do think home field helps in January, so winning is still paramount. How they do so for now isn't as important.

Regards,
Chris

chris_in_sunnyvale said:

If this team is a fraud 3-2, the 2003 Pats were a fraud 14-2. That team was easily a handful of plays from 10-6. By the time they flipped that 31-0 score on Buffalo in the finale, we knew they were ready.

I don't care if they're pulling games out their backside now, as long as they're solid by late December. I do think home field helps in January, so winning is still paramount. How they do so for now isn't as important.

Regards,
Chris

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While the 2003 team may have had its share of close games, that defense was clearly the most dominant that we've seen in the Belichick era.

They not only had the NFL's #1 ranked defense in points allowed (14.9), but the secondary only gave up 11 touchdowns all year, while picking off an insane league-high 29 passes! Those numbers are unheard of.

The offense was ranked 12th in points scored, so they weren't quite as potent, but they had a lot of balance and that awesome defense carried them pretty far.

You're right that they had their share of close games, with 11/19 being one score (8 points or less) contests.

In comparison:

2004 (5 one score games)
2014 (7 one score games)
2016 (6 one score games)

Gunnails said:

I still believe in the Rex Ryan strategy for beating the Pats, keep Brady on his back and on the bench.

Easier said then done, and with Powell and Forte banged up the ground and pound is less likely, also though the Pats Oline has not look good as of late, the Jets Dline also has not been world beaters.

You never know, but my gut says the Pats run up the score to 40+ and the Jets score maybe at most 24.

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Because Rex Ryan had such an awesome record against the patriots.

By the way that is a wish but a plan. Sack the QB and run the ball well and convert 3rd downs. Damn that's quite a "plan"

supafly said:

While the 2003 team may have had its share of close games, that defense was clearly the most dominant that we've seen in the Belichick era.

They not only had the NFL's #1 ranked defense in points allowed (14.9), but the secondary only gave up 11 touchdowns all year, while picking off an insane league-high 29 passes! Those numbers are unheard of.

The offense was ranked 12th in points scored, so they weren't quite as potent, but they had a lot of balance and that awesome defense carried them pretty far.

You're right that they had their share of close games, with 11/19 being one score (8 points or less) contests.

In comparison:

2004 (5 one score games)
2014 (7 one score games)
2016 (6 one score games)

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In hindsight, the 2003 D was awesome. At week 5, the team was 3-2 and had just given up 30 to the Titans, including a late go ahead score. That D hadn't come into full form yet. We need to give this Pats team also time to come into form.

Regards,
Chris

supafly said:

They're still a much tougher team at home than they are on the road, as Arrowhead provides a challenge.

The Patriots were a botched Billy Cundiff chip shot FG away from losing 4 in a row at home in the playoffs themselves, obviously before winning 2 more SBs.

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The one or two or plays away from being this or that can be applied to lots of teams every year.