Yankees claim Red Sox used Apple Watch to cheat, stealing signs

lurker1965 said:

I don't follow baseball, so you'll have to help me out a bit. This is an unfair advantage , um, because NY can't use apple watches? Isn't this the place that put a guy with a telescope in the center field wall for the shot heard round the world?

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Indeed. And the Baseball Hall of Fame has a permanent exhibit commemorating that famous home run. The US Postal Service issued a stamp honoring it.

And sportswriters and historians from New York will twist themselves into knots claiming that what Bobby did was not cheating.

Choking the division away will only add more insult to injury. That team's playing like hot garbage

Somehow this will become a bigger deal than the Cardinals committing federal crimes to access the Astros' scouting database. Further proving that while we do have kind of an insufferable persecution complex, it's not without reason.

I don't care, personally. I wrote off the whole notion of fair play in baseball back when it became clear that half the league was juicing. If using an apple watch to help steal signals ranks among the 10 worst things you're doing, you're a good citizen by baseball standards. Which pretty much mirrors how I feel about football, actually. Fans that care about moral high ground in stuff like this are delusional. We're rooting for multi-billion dollar organizations against other multi-billion dollar organizations based on weird childhood affinities to sports we used to play and proximity to where we were raised. None of these organizations give a damn about us or even the players that we deify, and would gladly screw them and us over for a few more dollars. To the extent that they pretend they care about us in any way, it's only a front to extract more money from us. And to the extent that we want to pretend there's some weird childlike notion of purity and fairness at stake, we have to ignore decades of proof to the contrary to get there.

OMG!!! What?? Enough of this shyt!!! Suspend Brady for FIVE YEARS!!!

Has Brady been suspended four games yet?

Richard Camembert said:

There's no rule against stealing signs in baseball,

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There's no rule against stealing signs/playcalls in NFL football, either. You're free to have people in the stands, pressbox, and sidelines watching and taking notes. And in the stands and pressbox they can even use binoculars (don't know if binocs are allowed on the sideline. Since I've never seen them, I'll assume not.)

New York teams: lose on the field, litigate in the media.

Can't wait for...


"The Red Sox were not punished nearly enough for cheating"

My blog here

shmessy said:

Regarding disgusting treatment of an innocent child, it looks like Nate Silver pulled a Barstoolsports..........

Seriously, it's been up 4 hours now. This guy is completely wired and has to know the situation by 2 hours ago. It's not like this is someone who unplugs.

A sad and truly unforgivable behavior.

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That's ok as long as he never steps foot in Boston. That would be an extremely dangerous trip for him.

patman12 said:

@meatface - care to say what you disagree with in my post?

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Not much worse than lazy posters that click on disagree without posting why.

Either they're just lazy or they have a personal issue with the poster.

I've never understood people that have personal issues with anonymous posters on the World Wide Web

Guys like Les Archambeau baffle me

PatriotsReign said:

Not much worse than lazy posters that click on disagree without posting why.

Either they're just lazy or they have a personal issue with the poster.

I've never understood people that have personal issues with anonymous posters on the World Wide Web

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Most of us realize that others may disagree with what we think and we usually have a pretty well formed opinion about what the counter-points to our arguments are, because we've usually considered them too. Then there's other people. I work with one. His way is the absolute right way, the conclusions he's reached are the ones everyone else must reach too. Needless to say, sometimes it sucks to work with him.

PatriotsNumero1Fan said:

Choking the division away will only add more insult to injury. That team's playing like hot garbage

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They are and then they go out and have a pretty sweet 19 inning comeback victory while the Yanks blow a lead in the 9th (Sox scouts must have been in Baltimore with their Apple watches relaying signs).

Buster Olney thinks a punishment is on its way and joe torre will give it out

PatriotsNumero1Fan said:

Buster Olney thinks a punishment is on its way and joe torre will give it out

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Buster Olney HOPES there is a punishment on the way.

If they were stealing signs last week in New York, that is really concerning ... caused they sucked.

Bill Lee said:

Most of us realize that others may disagree with what we think and we usually have a pretty well formed opinion about what the counter-points to our arguments are, because we've usually considered them too. Then there's other people. I work with one. His way is the absolute right way, the conclusions he's reached are the ones everyone else must reach too. Needless to say, sometimes it sucks to work with him.

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My boss is like that!

But those that click on "disagree" just because they don't like a poster is just a sign of their immaturity.

And regardless of the fact we know counterpoints, this is a discussion board. If I disagree, I post why I disagree rather than taking the lazy way out and make the other poster guess.

Imagine if every point was met with agree or disagree!

Les Archambeau is the perfect example.

I'm not an expert in rule breaking in the MLB, but I don't think there any rules prohibiting stealing signs. Whether electronically or by sight. Can't be punished for this if there are no set rules against it. Kinda like steroids in the 1980s in MLB.

PatriotsNumero1Fan said:

Buster Olney thinks a punishment is on its way and joe torre will give it out

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It should be a nice compare and contrast the way MLB handles this situation compared to the way the NFL would.

Someone mentioned the Cardinals hacking the Astros scouting database (actions that went so far beyond gamesmanship that a guy is in federal prison) and I remember the Dodgers being in trouble last year because they were using a laser-pointer system to position their outfielders. Last year, the Red Sox were penalized for breaking the rules related to signing international players.

I paid attention in varying degrees to all of these stories and I'm hard pressed to remember what the penalty was for any of the teams involved. They certainly weren't repeatedly brought up in the media or during games. I think MLB will fine the Red Sox and maybe suspend Farrell or someone else on the coaching staff for a game or two, then move on and never mention this again. If Goodell was the baseball commissioner, well, then things would be very different.

Apparently the Yankees complained that the above was an illegal audio device... when it was a friggin' mouth guard.

PatsFanInVa said:

New York teams: lose on the field, litigate in the media.

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Perfect.