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After 6 Training camp practices, it appears that the Patriots are having a spectacularly good TC. It has already answered many questions that existed.
Looking at the squads and the observations so far.

Safety

The Pats had three sold Safeties going into TC and were looking for a 4th, and as PS players. Jonathan Richards has developed into that 4th starting quality Safety. David Jones may be the answer for a PS candidate even though currently nicked up.

Cornerback

The Patriots hoped they had improved the position after spending a high price to bring Gilmore in and pay $4 million a year to keep MalcolmButler. Both have performed well together. Eric Rowe has bloomed as the third CB in his third season,second with the Pats. The lesser CBs ahve each had good and bad days. Jonathan Jones, Justin Colman and rookie Ken Moore have turned in good performances.

ST
Cyrus Jones is now performing as a returner the way the Scouts predicted. His coverage skills while OK, seem below many others though. The returners composed of Jones, Lewis, Amendola and Edelman appears to be ready and able.
Gostkowski seems to have settled down. Allen the punter has had a mediocre camp so far, even if his punting average is higher.

LBs.

The LB squad had questions the past several seasons. It lost Niko to retirement too. But the newcomers are settling in. Harris still has a lot in his tank. His addition provides depth at the leadership position and now there is some one experienced to back up Hightower. Both Shea McClellan and Kyle Van Noy are having their first TC here, and understanding the D better. Newcomer Harvy Longi appears to be a find, too. Rookie Derek Rivers appears to be slated as a hybrid OLB/DE, like Ninko, but more athletically comparable to departed Jamie Collins. The Pats appear to have created a deep squad of 8 LBs composed of captains Hightower and Harris, players Van Noy, McClellan, and also Freeney; and developing LBs Roberts, Rivers, and Langi. In short BB has completely reconstructed the LB squad.

DT

The DTs have seen a new addition to their squad, in Lawrence Guy, and Valentine continues to develop from last year, joining Branch an outstanding NT or "0 tech", and his able assistant Malcolm Brown. The DT squad is full up.

DEs.

This squad is full of questions but also full of potential answers. Flowers is one answer, and the Coaches are seeking #2 and #3. Ealy, Wise, Rivers, Hightower in a shift, or Van Noy in a shift, seem to be the major candidates for those #2 and #3 and subsequent positions. Grissom could develop in his third season too.

The candidates are many, the answers are still to be determined. But the indications are good to fair. Ealy, Wise, Grissom, and Rivers have already collected a "sack" in the 6 practices so far. Wise actually has a pair. BB has the CAP and picks to buy a trade for an established DE as well, and may do so.

IMHO, this is the only remaining question at Training Camp.

Offensive tackle

Solder, and Cannon are established superior starters at LOT and ROT. Fleming has filled in as a sub along with Waddle. BB drafted Tony Garcia as a potential future starter to develop. He added McDermott to the developmental squad as well. Starters and replacement talent is there, for the OTs. Fleming might even be shifted to Guard if necessary, with his superior run blocking talent.

IOL

Scar has found his starters for the interior Offensive line and maybe even a future star or two. Thuney, Andrews and Mason make a fine IOL, and will get better with more experience. Andrews hasa gotten bigger and Shaq needs more growth in his pass blocking. Karras and new comers Cole Croston, and Jamil Douglas, are candidates to fill the reserve positions. Fleming is a potential shift as well.

The balance of Training camp will determine who stays and who goes among the IOL reserves. This is a question yet to be settled.

WR and TEs

The Pats have more good young receivers than there are positions to hold them, Few receiving squads possess even one #1 receiver. The Pats appear to have three, Edelman, Cooks and Gronk. There are able #2s as well. Hogan, Mitchell, Amendola, and Carr, Lucien and Hollister constitute the candidates.


The TE position is also full up with Gronk and Dwayne Allen as a 1 and 2 and others to battle for 3 and PS. Shaughnessy and Lengle are the favorites among the TE subs.

RBs

BB believes in RBBC. It keeps costs down and provides depth for this high attrition area. Gillislee, and White are the in line and receiving starters, but there are alternatives for both big back and receiving back, too. Burkhead and Bolden are the in line reserves; and Lewis, DJ Foster are the receiving RBs.

QBs

No other team in the League has as much talent at QB as the Patriots. Brady is the GOAT and Garropolo would start for almost all the clubs in the League. Brisette is a developing second stringer, with some talent but raw.

Summary

Almost all questions are already answered except at DE. This Training Camp has been a wholesale success already.
 
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Nice early state of Pats roster

re. CB Id just add that JJ looks like #3CB as well since Pats play most nickel and he is the clear front runner for the nickel CB spot (re Ryan). At the moment it looks like Pats have 2 #1CBs and 2 #3CBs depending on D looks and matchups. Too rich.

ps
Moore reportedly only had good and very good days . albeit mostly playing vs 2nd and 3rd stringers
 
Nice early state of Pats roster

re. CB Id just add that JJ looks like #3CB as well since Pats play most nickel and he is the clear front runner for the nickel CB spot (re Ryan). At the moment it looks like Pats have 2 #1CBs and 2 #3CBs depending on D looks and matchups. Too rich.

ps
Moore reportedly only had good and very good days . albeit mostly playing vs 2nd and 3rd stringers
I think Jon jones is pretty far from overtaking Rowe.
 
I think Jon jones is pretty far from overtaking Rowe.

Totally agree if we're counting #1, 2, 3 CBs. But slot CB seems like the biggest unanswered question outside of DE.

The most surprisingly answered question, IMO, is reserve IOL and in particular backup C. Karras seems to have taken firm control of that job.
 
Totally agree if we're counting #1, 2, 3 CBs. But slot CB seems like the biggest unanswered question outside of DE.

The most surprisingly answered question, IMO, is reserve IOL and in particular backup C. Karras seems to have taken firm control of that job.
Well that's why Rowe is playing outside with the 2s. He will be the third corner and okay outside. Based upon opponent butler or Gilmore will slide into the slot.
We should know by now that reps in practice in a BB camp isn't a depth chart but his best way to get his team ready to play.

Yes love the news about karras.
 
Great write up summary by position but no mention of Develin at RB/FB position......Solid performer. Is he injured or just having a camp where his efforts aren't noticed?
 
As a side note and it has been mentioned before I'm sure... BB will be making a trade/signing of a player/players currently not on the roster that will be on the final 53.......Bet on it :cool::D
 
Great write up summary by position but no mention of Develin at RB/FB position......Solid performer. Is he injured or just having a camp where his efforts aren't noticed?
Over sight on my part since I assume he is a safe player.
 
I think Jon jones is pretty far from overtaking Rowe.

Is JJ really a better nickel that Rowe is an outside corner; that is the real question.

NICKEL OPTION 1
CB - Gilmore, Rowe
Nickel - Butler

NICKEL OPTION 2
CB - Gilmore, Butler
Nickel - JJ

I strongly favor Option 1. Of course, there are times when Harmon is the nickel or 5th DB.

BOTTOM LINE
Ryan moved from outside to nickel last year when 3 corners were needed. Butler can certainly perform in that role this year.

JJ is a fine addition. He may push out Coleman as the backup nickel back. However, IMHO, he is far from replacing Rowe in the rotation.
 
Totally agree if we're counting #1, 2, 3 CBs. But slot CB seems like the biggest unanswered question outside of DE.

The most surprisingly answered question, IMO, is reserve IOL and in particular backup C. Karras seems to have taken firm control of that job.

Do you have an issue with Butler in the slot?
 
Shea McLellin already had a full camp last year.
 
Is JJ really a better nickel that Rowe is an outside corner; that is the real question.
I think the answer is pretty simple.

NICKEL OPTION 1
CB - Gilmore, Rowe
Nickel - Butler

NICKEL OPTION 2
CB - Gilmore, Butler
Nickel - JJ

I strongly favor Option 1. Of course, there are times when Harmon is the nickel or 5th DB.
In different situations we play the "big nickel" otherwise the 3rd corner would be playing 80%+ of the snaps.

BOTTOM LINE
Ryan moved from outside to nickel last year when 3 corners were needed. Butler can certainly perform in that role this year.

JJ is a fine addition. He may push out Coleman as the backup nickel back. However, IMHO, he is far from replacing Rowe in the rotation.
Agree and jones is competing with the other jones and I think Coleman is hanging in by a thread wishing he could see the bubble.
 
Shea McLellin already had a full camp last year.


He missed the OTAs and first ten days or so, which included most all the installation.
 
Totally agree if we're counting #1, 2, 3 CBs. But slot CB seems like the biggest unanswered question outside of DE.

The most surprisingly answered question, IMO, is reserve IOL and in particular backup C. Karras seems to have taken firm control of that job.

I would add to the IOL thoughts that Karras is also the answer to the backup guard spots. He is right now the back up in 3 spots and an overlooked story on this team. While I think they need another IOL man to step up and be a dependable back up at some point I am very happy Karras is doing so well. It shouldn't be that surprising though. If you remember he did need to start early last year while a rookie due to injury and I don't think he surrendered a single pressure in that short span. He looks solid and has seemed to only improve since then.
 
Great write up summary by position but no mention of Develin at RB/FB position......Solid performer. Is he injured or just having a camp where his efforts aren't noticed?
He's actually been working as the backup long snapper, as well.
 
I'm wondering what specifically everyone is seeing from McClellin. I realize he's not a superstar but should be a solid role player for us. I was hoping after a full season in the system he may improve more this year. He just seemed a tad slow overall last year. I kind of picture him more like Nink in a hybrid OLB/DE role.
 
Do you have an issue with Butler in the slot?


I'm sure Butler can handle it but as BB has stated it's a completely different position. It more resembles line backer than true cornerback duties. I'd like to see a rotation of the position based on game situation.
 
I'm sure Butler can handle it but as BB has stated it's a completely different position. It more resembles line backer than true cornerback duties. I'd like to see a rotation of the position based on game situation.
Chung is a LB in the big nickel. Butler would be playing man on a slot WR on a passing down. Sure, covering a guy without having a boundary to help, as well as fighting off the traffic is different than playing zone outside, but Butler has done a good amount of this covering the guys he already covers.
Its really just a matter of what WR you match him up with.
Put the 3 best corners out there and match size and skillset to the WRs.
 
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