Ravens owner admits to considering non-football factors with Kaepernick

Who is this thread about?

KontradictioN said:

Free speech goes both ways. If he wants to exercise his right to take a knee, those that disagree are free to exercise their rights to give him some blowback for it. Free speech isn't there to protect only what you agree with.

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Bingo. Shocked at how many people misunderstand the concept of free speech and believe it also affords protections and guarantees that your opinion will be celebrated by all. You have the right to say it and are protected from physical restraint....that is all.

brdmaverick said:

Of course Kap has some off field dealings that could potentially be an unnecessary distraction, but another aspect is..............

Teams want backup QBs that are afterthoughts. If given the choice between a no-name guy and a high profile player with slightly higher upside I think most GMs would actually prefer the no name guy.

I mean, New England is a PERFECT example of that. Here it is we have the greatest QB in the history of the league, and yet Tim Tebow was the talk of training camp in 2013.

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I actually thought that Tebow was the talk of camp for a day or so and then Belichick shut it all down in one press conference by doing Belichick stuff. And Tebow seemed mostly like an afterthought except for people coming up with gadget plays he could be a part of.

I thought it was a testament to how good Belichick was at sending the circus away. At that time Tebow was one of the most discussed players in the NFL despite being two years removed from Denver. When he came here, the hype went down 80%.

SammyBlueCat said:

Who is this thread about?

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No one cares about Colin

1960Pats said:

That's what happened with Incognito. When the Bills picked him up after his ridiculous year suspension he became a Bill for life.

I'd like to see Tebow make it in MLB. The reactions from his critics would be priceless.

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Tebow's critics say he shouldn't be an NFL QB. They would still be right.

I'm glad he said what he said, and did what he did. It makes me stop and think, and pay attention, and possibly learn something. I'm a better citizen and person because of it. The issues he raises are critical to our civilization and democracy, and be a welcome addition to any dialogue on any topic. I'm happy to put aside football for a moment to attend to the issues he brings up. It is the least I can do as a 60 year old white guy whose entire economic and social status rests on the backs of hundreds of years of work of others who haven't had nearly the privileges I was born to, a social status that continues to this day.

What I find ridiculous is that Kap is being shunned for this, meanwhile QB who arguably are MUCH WORSE are being signed like hotcakes.

I mean really, Austin Davis to the Seahawks?
Blaine Gabbert to the Cardinals?
Dan Orlovsky(he of the running to the back of the end zone like a scaredy cat in the Lions 2008 0-16 season) to the Rams?

What a farce.

Kap threw for more TDs last season than Orlovsky has in his entire career. So obviously there is something deep inside ALL of these owners that makes them want to stay away. Sure, they could be wary of the media attention it may get, but if you are like a BB (who is though?) You can diffuse that in one press conference.

Oh and the Ravens suck baboon ass.

AtomicDawg said:

What I find ridiculous is that Kap is being shunned for this, meanwhile QB who arguably are MUCH WORSE are being signed like hotcakes.

I mean really, Austin Davis to the Seahawks?
Blaine Gabbert to the Cardinals?
Dan Orlovsky(he of the running to the back of the end zone like a scaredy cat in the Lions 2008 0-16 season) to the Rams?

What a farce.

Kap threw for more TDs last season than Orlovsky has in his entire career. So obviously there is something deep inside ALL of these owners that makes them want to stay away. Sure, they could be wary of the media attention it may get, but if you are like a BB (who is though?) You can diffuse that in one press conference.

Oh and the Ravens suck baboon ass.

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no, you cant. the things Kaepernick has said/done are too charged for anyone to squash the talk about them. Additionally, he is still saying them, its not a 1 and done situation.

2nd, you can go screw with your racism insinuation. just because a minority is being passed over doesnt automatically make it racism. it's because he is a loud mouth ******* who isnt worth the hassle as a back up QB.

most teams dont even accept distractions from their starters. a back up QB is supposed to be forgettable, not a media lightning rod for non football reasons.

lastly, this is still America. as much of a right as he has to express his opinions, the owners have the right to choose to not employ him.

BlacknGold77 said:

no, you cant. the things Kaepernick has said/done are too charged for anyone to squash the talk about them. Additionally, he is still saying them, its not a 1 and done situation.

2nd, you can go screw with your racism insinuation. just because a minority is being passed over doesnt automatically make it racism. it's because he is a loud mouth ******* who isnt worth the hassle as a back up QB.

most teams dont even accept distractions from their starters. a back up QB is supposed to be forgettable, not a media lightning rod for non football reasons.

lastly, this is still America. as much of a right as he has to express his opinions, the owners have the right to choose to not employ him.

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Ok, lots to unpack here.

First of all, I did not say I agree with Kap. For the record I support what he did until he mentioned he did not vote and started dissing all cops. Then it was a done deal.

Second, who the hell are you to say I'm insinuating anything? If I'm going to say something I'm going to say it, not insinuate it. I mentioned those 3 QBs because they have been signed recently, not because they are white. They also are not good backups. I mentioned the stats.

Third, the owners have a right not to employ him all the way, but just like he is free to be criticised when he makes a statement, so are they. Too bad.

neuronet said:

Since his non-football stuff is ultimately about his support of Black Lives Matter, one of my favorite tweets about that side of the equation...

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I get the humor, but that was the wrong way to protest. You want to protest so that people sit and think "hey, he might have a point." Kaepernick protested so that people sit and think "hey, he's a douchenozzle." The violent protestors are protesting in a way so that people sit and think "hey, the racists may have a point about these people."

Of the two, I'll take Kaepernick's method. But there's gotta be a better way to do these things than drawing the thunder down on yourself. Instead of making the story about the treatment of America's minorities, he managed to make the story about Colin Kaepernick and his disrespect of the flag and nation so many of the people he had to convince are invested in (turning against yourself the very people you need to be able to speak to). Ideally you want to recruit your opponents, not belittle, alienate or anger them. Kaepernick managed to do all three. And he acted alone with no support behind him, simply on the theory that people would agree with him. That's bad tactics.

What the hell happened to "I have a dream?" Where's our generation's Dr. King?

hypocrisy is money power's middle name

Simpelton said:

I get the humor, but that was the wrong way to protest. You want to protest so that people sit and think "hey, he might have a point." Kaepernick protested so that people sit and think "hey, he's a douchenozzle." The violent protestors are protesting in a way so that people sit and think "hey, the racists may have a point about these people."

Of the two, I'll take Kaepernick's method. But there's gotta be a better way to do these things than drawing the thunder down on yourself. Instead of making the story about the treatment of America's minorities, he managed to make the story about Colin Kaepernick and his disrespect of the flag and nation so many of the people he had to convince are invested in (turning against yourself the very people you need to be able to speak to). Ideally you want to recruit your opponents, not belittle, alienate or anger them. Kaepernick managed to do all three. And he acted alone with no support behind him, simply on the theory that people would agree with him. That's bad tactics.

What the hell happened to "I have a dream?" Where's our generation's Dr. King?

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Hmm, not sure you do get the humor....

Given that the first paragraph you wrote was EXACTLY what the tweet was joking about.

AtomicDawg said:

What I find ridiculous is that Kap is being shunned for this, meanwhile QB who arguably are MUCH WORSE are being signed like hotcakes.

I mean really, Austin Davis to the Seahawks?
Blaine Gabbert to the Cardinals?
Dan Orlovsky(he of the running to the back of the end zone like a scaredy cat in the Lions 2008 0-16 season) to the Rams?

What a farce.

Kap threw for more TDs last season than Orlovsky has in his entire career. So obviously there is something deep inside ALL of these owners that makes them want to stay away. Sure, they could be wary of the media attention it may get, but if you are like a BB (who is though?) You can diffuse that in one press conference.

Oh and the Ravens suck baboon ass.

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You can't make him care about football.

slam said:

Tebow's critics say he shouldn't be an NFL QB. They would still be right.

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Tebow might be the only person who didn't know he wasn't a NYFL QB.

The critics and supporters of Tebow had their own reasons to feel the way they did and it wasn't always about football.

Then there's Kaepernick. That kid started off like a house of fire and is now a dumpster fire instead. I'd like to know what happened to him.

1960Pats said:

Tebow might be the only person who didn't know he wasn't a NYFL QB.

The critics and supporters of Tebow had their own reasons to feel the way they did and it wasn't always about football.

Then there's Kaepernick. That kid started off like a house of fire and is now a dumpster fire instead. I'd like to know what happened to him.

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same thing that happened to the Wildcat

he was different enough of a QB that teams were caught by surprise and he took advantage of it. once there was tape on him and coaches had a chance to pick it apart, he couldn't adapt and was rendered ineffective

Kaep would be an upgrade to the Ravens, employers of criminals. He's a moral guy; might not fit in.
I completely understand GMs/owners' reluctance to hire a potential media storm distraction.
I hope he eventually gets an NFL job because he is better than many NFL QBs holding clip boards.

Considering Colin's girlfriend tweeted out these pictures today, I'm guessing the Ravens are not going to hire him.



As I said in an earlier post, he is his own worst enemy. Sure, they were sent by his girlfriend and not him, but damn, they couldn't be more hateful and offensive.

Clonamery said:

Um, he would be a starter for the jete.

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Well at least with the Jete he would near the 1000 or so influential anti-amerian cloacal cavities on the 'uppah West side'. who think they represent America's aspiration to have cheap maids and butlers...

They have the money to purchase PSLs were it not that football is so so declasse, for their globalist totalitarian thinking.

AzPatsFan said:

Well at least with the Jete he would near the 1000 or so influential anti-amerian cloacal cavities on the 'uppah West side'. who think they represent America's aspiration to have cheap maids and butlers...

They have the money to purchase PSLs were it not that football is so so declasse, for their globalist totalitarian thinking.

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You mean like President Treason?

betterthanthealternative said:

I'm glad he said what he said, and did what he did. It makes me stop and think, and pay attention, and possibly learn something. I'm a better citizen and person because of it. The issues he raises are critical to our civilization and democracy, and be a welcome addition to any dialogue on any topic. I'm happy to put aside football for a moment to attend to the issues he brings up. It is the least I can do as a 60 year old white guy whose entire economic and social status rests on the backs of hundreds of years of work of others who haven't had nearly the privileges I was born to, a social status that continues to this day.

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So what part of your social status is wrong? White privilege should be diverse privilege. It's not that white people born into a status is wrong it that everyone else should be born into the same satus. I'm not going to go through my life feeling guilty about being treated like a legitimate person. But I will do my best to treat everyone as I'd like to be treated....the Golden rule. And making statements? In this age of political correctness where we get schooled and rebuked for being insensitive and offensive when we slip up and say Redskins, don't you think at a football game when they ask us to stand to honor or flag and servicemen and servicewomen that kneeling down instead would be offensive and insensitive to them? A tad selective wouldn't you say?