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Vrabel was one of the best pass rushers in the league in 07, his peak. Had All-Pro honors and everything.No. not even close.
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Vrabel was one of the best pass rushers in the league in 07, his peak. Had All-Pro honors and everything.No. not even close.
No, Vrabel was ultimately better for sure, even if the margin is small. Vrabel was consistent, put up better individual seasons and overall number (I am fairly certain without looking at the number), and he played offensively (which I think should be factored in). But they were essentially the same in most ways nonetheless - extremely cerebral, extremely durable, extremely versatile, etc. Again, the margin may be small, but I'd take Vrabel over Ninko if I absolutely had to make a choice.
Vrabel was a better pass rusher but also was better at everything else required of the position.Vrabel was one of the best pass rushers in the league in 07, his peak. Had All-Pro honors and everything.
You're right, but I wasn't overlooking that. The question is who was better overall and not who was better at clutch plays, though. Vrabel was better overall, in my view, even if he didn't make as many "clutch" plays. However, I could argue he made enough. His pressure is what lead to Ty's INT in SB36. He scored receiving TD's in both SB's 38 and 39. He was huge all of 2007. Overall, Vrabel was better.Probably, can't overlook the number of clutch plays Nink made though. Hope we have another 50 step in right away like after Vrabes was traded.
No, Vrabel was ultimately better for sure, even if the margin is small. Vrabel was consistent, put up better individual seasons and overall number (I am fairly certain without looking at the number), and he played offensively (which I think should be factored in). But they were essentially the same in most ways nonetheless - extremely cerebral, extremely durable, extremely versatile, etc. Again, the margin may be small, but I'd take Vrabel over Ninko if I absolutely had to make a choice.
YUP!Vrabel was one of the best pass rushers in the league in 07, his peak. Had All-Pro honors and everything.
Thanks for the statistics, maineman. It was a different scheme, but they were counted on to do essentially the same things within those schemes. Ninko played a lot of 3-4 OLB when he got here. They both played inside and out. They both primarily rushed the passer. They both primarily set the edge. Vrabel played a lot of Ninko's role during the first SB run. So yeah, they were essentially same difference. Again, whatever gap there is between the two is very small, but I'd take Vrabel if given a choice, with the deciding maybe being that I could line him up on O and know he'll catch a TD.Regular season stat comparison:
Vrabel (8 yrs, primarily at 3-4 OLB): 125 games/ 110 starts
... 11 INT/34 PD ... 13 FF/5 FR ... 48 sacks ... 604 total tackles
Nink (8 yrs, primarily at 4-3 DE): 123 games/101 starts
... 5 INT/32 PD ... 12 FF/14 FR ... 46 sacks ... 469 total tackles
Different defensive schemes; mostly different roles.
Wouldn't McClellin essentially take over Ninkovich's role? Nink played DE/LB as does McClellin for the most part. Hopefully one of Ealy, Wise, Rivers, Grissom(?) steps up as well.
Yeah, very impressive. It was like watching the same player out there. Very slim margin between the two exists.Vrabes 48 sacks, 11 INTs , 13 FF , 34 PDs in 125 NE games
Nink 46 sacks, 5 INTs, 12 FF , 23 PDs in 123 NE games
Stats for stats you couldn't have asked for anything better to replace Vrabes.
Vrabel played 34 LB 90% of his career here. Nink played 43 de 80% of the time.Thanks for the statistics, maineman. It was a different scheme, but they were counted on to do essentially the same things within those schemes. Ninko played a lot of 3-4 OLB when he got here. They both played inside and out. They both primarily rushed the passer. They both primarily set the edge. Vrabel played a lot of Ninko's role during the first SB run. So yeah, they were essentially same difference. Again, whatever gap there is between the two is very small, but I'd take Vrabel if given a choice, with the deciding maybe being that I could line him up on O and know he'll catch a TD.
Thanks for the statistics, maineman. It was a different scheme, but they were counted on to do essentially the same things within those schemes. Ninko played a lot of 3-4 OLB when he got here. They both played inside and out. They both primarily rushed the passer. They both primarily set the edge. Vrabel played a lot of Ninko's role during the first SB run. So yeah, they were essentially same difference. Again, whatever gap there is between the two is very small, but I'd take Vrabel if given a choice, with the deciding maybe being that I could line him up on O and know he'll catch a TD.
Ninkovich retirement could be coming
I checked out PFW this morning to see if they had a take.
It was very disappointing to see the haters out in force, down-voting any positive posts about Nink's career.
I understand that and I don't think my post suggests otherwise. However, a lot of the things they were asked to do within the schemes were essentially the same. Set the edge, rush the passer.Vrabel played 34 LB 90% of his career here. Nink played 43 de 80% of the time.
And much less chance to rush the passer. It wasn't until the last couple of years that he consistently rushed in passing situations.Essentially similar things, yes. However, Vrabel played a lot more snaps off the line in his years than Nink did. With those snaps came more opportunities to make tackle against the run and to be out covering pass patterns.
Okay, respect. We can split hairs all day. The question was which player was better overall. I think that was Vrabel. That's no disrespect to Ninko's impact. I just would take Vrabel ahead of him if given a choice. They both were GREAT #50's. And I've stated over and over that whatever margin that exists is very small.Essentially similar things, yes. However, Vrabel played a lot more snaps off the line in his years than Nink did. With those snaps came more opportunities to make tackle against the run and to be out covering pass patterns.
Vrabel spent significantly more time covering. Can't compare sacks evenly because of that difference.I understand that and I don't think my post suggests otherwise. However, a lot of the things they were asked to do within the schemes were essentially the same. Set the edge, rush the passer.
Okay, respect. We can split hairs all day. The question was which player was better overall. I think that was Vrabel. That's no disrespect to Ninko's impact. I just would take Vrabel ahead of him if given a choice. They both were GREAT #50's. And I've stated over and over that whatever margin that exists is very small.Essentially similar things, yes. However, Vrabel played a lot more snaps off the line in his years than Nink did. With those snaps came more opportunities to make tackle against the run and to be out covering pass patterns.