2018 Draft Prospect Thread

miloofcroton said:

I'm *always* in the market for a TE that can be dominant in the running and passing game, but my one concern with this guy is that he's missing a finger. I know he's survived this long without it, but my concern persists as he reaches higher levels of competition where finger-tip grabs become more important.

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Hrmm. . . . I'm not sure if a missing finger is worse than a mangled one.

How about Toliver for Butler..

Kevin Toliver II: 2018 NFL Draft Prospect - NFL Draft Board

The interesting thing about Lazard to me was that he is a useful and willing blocker (not all of the time though) showing nice attitude for a WR stud (and possible future star) at 6'4, 223.

(the obvious thing being he is a potential matchup nightmare, showing good hands and routs also YAC that is still a work in progress)

And in this film (besides some nice catches) at one moment he is used as line blocker (as a blocking TE). Extremely tall but tough. Intriguing.



(at the moment he is all over the boards . he still needs to find consistency . but certainly intriguing to monitor)

long distance said:

The interesting thing about Lazard to me was that he is a useful and willing blocker (not all of the time though) showing nice attitude for a WR stud (and possible future star) at 6'4, 223.

(the obvious thing being he is a potential matchup nightmare, showing good hands and routs also YAC that is still a work in progress)

And in this film (besides some nice catches) at one moment he is used as line blocker (as a blocking TE). Extremely tall but tough. Intriguing.



(at the moment he is all over the boards . he still needs to find consistency . but certainly intriguing to monitor)

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They got a nice duo now.

Just goes you how hard it is to make it. He got a 5th-7th/udfa grade this past draft.

Hopefully he can stay healthy, work on some drops and improve on his strengths. Speaking of which, I'd be curious if he blocks inline lil more this year or used any differently, even a lil bit?

Great game blocking&receiving&YAC by Goedert . mini Gronk.
(I bet he could be useful on ST as well)
Some interesting TE talent to watch also in 2018..

long distance said:

Great game blocking&receiving&YAC by Goedert . mini Gronk.
(I bet he could be useful on ST as well)
Some interesting TE talent to watch also in 2018..

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Where do you like him? Not a 100% sold yet.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Where do you like him? Not a 100% sold yet.

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Id like to see him in a bigger game. I guess only opportunity is Senior Bowl.
He quite dominates this little league. But his blocking looks legit regardless.

I'm not interested in a majority of the big names at QB. Pass on Allen (only for intangibles), Darnold and Rosen (intangibles and physical reasons, more mechanics for the former and physical ability for the latter), Mayfield (he sucks, and he gets into trouble), Lamar Jackson (no interest in a more raw Michael Vick), Mason Rudolph (zero experience dropping back, bad throwing motion). I'm sure I missed others, but assume they are on this list.

Really, there's not a single QB in college ball that jumps out at me as a future NFL star. I've gone through quite a few guys that might be eligible for the next draft, and I found nothing I'm convinced about. That being said, here are a few guys that I like for one reason or another:

Keller Chryst
Wilton Speight
Brandon Harris
Mike White
Clayton Forson
Brandon Silvers

miloofcroton said:

I'm not interested in a majority of the big names at QB. Pass on Allen (only for intangibles), Darnold and Rosen (intangibles and physical reasons, more mechanics for the former and physical ability for the latter), Mayfield (he sucks, and he gets into trouble), Lamar Jackson (no interest in a more raw Michael Vick), Mason Rudolph (zero experience dropping back, bad throwing motion). I'm sure I missed others, but assume they are on this list.

Really, there's not a single QB in college ball that jumps out at me as a future NFL star. I've gone through quite a few guys that might be eligible for the next draft, and I found nothing I'm convinced about. That being said, here are a few guys that I like for one reason or another:

Keller Chryst
Wilton Speight
Brandon Harris
Mike White
Clayton Forson
Brandon Silvers

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Strongly disagree about Baker but that's prob bc I just love watching him.

Devante Kincade. He's a guy that has everything you want. Needs some tweaking but hes under the radar now but won't be for long

Kyle Hicks HB TCU 5'10" 210

This guy looks good. Put him at the top of my running backs list. My top 3 running backs are probably Hicks, Royce Freeman, and Damien Harris (Alabama).

miloofcroton said:

Kyle Hicks HB TCU 5'10" 210

This guy looks good. Put him at the top of my running backs list. My top 3 running backs are probably Hicks, Royce Freeman, and Damien Harris (Alabama).

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I like Hicks a lot myself, really good all around back. He could be a good one.

You have to have Derrius in there and Barkley is pretty good too. Derrius could special tho.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

I like Hicks a lot myself, really good all around back. He could be a good one.

You have to have Derrius in there and Barkley is pretty good too. Derrius could special tho.

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Grice and Barkley are in there, but I wouldn't pursue them early on. They seem to be the type that are better college backs than NFL backs because they don't work hard and use their athleticism rather than moves or intelligence to get yards in college.

miloofcroton said:

Grice and Barkley are in there, but I wouldn't pursue them early on. They seem to be the type that are better college backs than NFL backs because they don't work hard and use their athleticism rather than moves or intelligence to get yards in college.

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In terms of the weight room, both are monsters. I think I posted these in my thread.

This was in March 2016. He also cleaned 390.



Here's Derrius squaring 650



Both are very hard workers in the weight room and in practice.

And as far as moves both have 2 of the best jump cuts/side steps you've seen in a long time. Barkley also uses a hurdle quite effectively and Derrius has a really nice spin. Both have a lil wiggle too.

Derrius is special imo. Powerful, not much needs to be said here. Vision, always keeps his head & eyes up. Balance,Can take a hit, make a cut etc and just keep churning or running. He's patient as well. Can read and set up his blocks and hit the hole at the right time like a bullet. If he gets a wide open hole he can do the rest and take care of the 2nd level. Very good all around back in all 3 aspects of the position nowadays.

He's in a great spot. If he stays healthy he'll prob run for a ton of yards and put unbelievable #'s.






He broke a record held (390) by Zettel who played DLine.

Interesting one to follow . w Hooker, Lattimore, Conley gone.
Quite disciplined and aware young player w lots of speed and range.

My goodness this class has some legit freaks.



Spoiler Report

Derrius has multiple 250+ games/650lb squat

Jordan Williams LB East Carolina
222lbs can squat 600, 374 power clean, 36.5 vert, 10.4 Broad Jump, 4.56 40

Braden Smith ROT Auburn 6'6 303
565 squat, 495 bench, 33 Vert, 9.9 Broad, 4.95 40


Dex Lawrence listed at 340
4.90 40, 550 squat, 350 clean, 31 @ 225

Da'Ron Payne 310lbs
545 bench, 635 squat, 5.03 40


Ed Oliver is my boy. Donald-like 290lbs
635 squat, 415 bench, 34.5 Vert, 9.6 Broad


Tony Brown 200lbs can bench 400 and has legit track speed


Brandon Bryant S Miss St 5'11/200
Sub 4.30, 600 DL, 450 squat, 35 Vert


Kalen Ballage 6'3/225
37 vert, 10 broad, 513 squat, 4.03 20, clocked at 21.5 mph


Porter Gustin 6'5/260
575 squat, 475 bench, 35 @ 225, 4.50 40, 35 vert


Darius Anderson RB TCU 5'11/205
4.39 40, 660 squat (more than triple his bodyweight)


Saquon Barkley
600 squat, 405 power clean, sub 4.4 40 (4.33-ish?), 4.00 20, 38 Vert



Derwin James
well known freak. 400 bench. injuries have hurt him the past 1.5 years but he'll put up crazy #'s when he performs at the combine



Vita Vea listed around 340
4.80 40, 33 Vert


Lamar Jackson 6'3/200
Sub 4.40 40 and can chuck it 85-90


Rashan Gary 6'5/290
4.57 40, 6.70 3Cone, 31 Vert


Christian Wilkins 310lbs
4.80 40, 1.62 split, 9 Broad, 31 @ 225

Some more freak news. Some think This stuff is overrated but all info helps. Some good nuggets in there about Porter and Street.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

My goodness this class has some legit freaks.



Spoiler Report

Derrius has multiple 250+ games/650lb squat

Jordan Williams LB East Carolina
222lbs can squat 600, 374 power clean, 36.5 vert, 10.4 Broad Jump, 4.56 40

Braden Smith ROT Auburn 6'6 303
565 squat, 495 bench, 33 Vert, 9.9 Broad, 4.95 40


Dex Lawrence listed at 340
4.90 40, 550 squat, 350 clean, 31 @ 225

Da'Ron Payne 310lbs
545 bench, 635 squat, 5.03 40


Ed Oliver is my boy. Donald-like 290lbs
635 squat, 415 bench, 34.5 Vert, 9.6 Broad


Tony Brown 200lbs can bench 400 and has legit track speed


Brandon Bryant S Miss St 5'11/200
Sub 4.30, 600 DL, 450 squat, 35 Vert


Kalen Ballage 6'3/225
37 vert, 10 broad, 513 squat, 4.03 20, clocked at 21.5 mph


Porter Gustin 6'5/260
575 squat, 475 bench, 35 @ 225, 4.50 40, 35 vert


Darius Anderson RB TCU 5'11/205
4.39 40, 660 squat (more than triple his bodyweight)


Saquon Barkley
600 squat, 405 power clean, sub 4.4 40 (4.33-ish?), 4.00 20, 38 Vert



Derwin James
well known freak. 400 bench. injuries have hurt him the past 1.5 years but he'll put up crazy #'s when he performs at the combine



Vita Vea listed around 340
4.80 40, 33 Vert


Lamar Jackson 6'3/200
Sub 4.40 40 and can chuck it 85-90


Rashan Gary 6'5/290
4.57 40, 6.70 3Cone, 31 Vert


Christian Wilkins 310lbs
4.80 40, 1.62 split, 9 Broad, 31 @ 225

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Thanks.

From new names Jordan Williams will be interesting to monitor. At the moment the game is too fast for him but if he is a starter this year and builds on his rapid progress could be an interesting tool to work with. I hope w confidence he can get more fluid, instinctive.

Brandon Bryant is a suspicious character and player. Still worth keeping an eye on..
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Braden Smith certainly looks like a player. Id like the pick . but Id prefer to see some C experience for Pats IOL needs than moving to RT..

Porter Gustin is sort of a binkie already..

long distance said:

Porter Gustin is sort of a binkie already..

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And he'll only be 21 come draft day next year.

Great play by great prospect.
Look what J Alexander does after his interception here - at 3:03.



Instinctive, intelligent, aware, attentive, inspired player.

BTW - M. Butler was ranked #89 CB among 2014 draft prospects (nfldraftscout)
Only one other of the 88 ranked above him made it to the pro-bowl (Verrett)
Both 5'10.

In a redraft Id guess he would be the top CB pick. With a trade up..
Amazing find from West Alabama by Lombardi, BB & co

Monster bowl by my man Fumagalli.

Making highways for his RBs all day . catching in heavy traffic . incl. one handed cat catch at 0:48