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Maybe straight tanking is indeed less painful to the usual Just End The Season climax..
Approve: 79 percent (87)
Disapprove: 21 percent (23)

Words from tanking-tickets owners:
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/jets-fans-unplugged-what-season-ticket-holders-really-think-of-tank/
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quote:

Mark Dorfman, Rockville Center
Season-ticket holder since 1984
Sections 111a and 124 — $40,000 on PSLs and $9,000 on six tickets:

“I think it’s a great plan and they should’ve started with the oldest member of the team … Woody Johnson.”
 
I thought Hackenberg was supposed to lead them to their first SB since 1969?

Isn't that what Jetfans here told us when they were tanking a couple of years ago?
 
I'm probably in the minority but I'd be all for it if I'm a jet fan.

Look you can get a QB in the 1st or 6th. It's about picking the right guy, developing his skills and surrounding him with the best team you can.

Having said the #1 overall opens up so many more possibilities. Trades, higher draft slots and more flexibility to complete your goals.

They might not like any of "top" guys and prefer someone else they can get in the 2nd or later. Trade back for some added picks & value.

The #1 can help but again you need competent people running the show.

The thing that gets me is how many don't wanna tank after years of mediocre to awful football?

I mean NOW you're complaining about trying to suck? Like the past half century of suck hasn't been terrible enough?
 
I'm probably in the minority but I'd be all for it if I'm a jet fan.

Look you can get a QB in the 1st or 6th. It's about picking the right guy, developing his skills and surrounding him with the best team you can.

Having said the #1 overall opens up so many more possibilities. Trades, higher draft slots and more flexibility to complete your goals.

They might not like any of "top" guys and prefer someone else they can get in the 2nd or later. Trade back for some added picks & value.

The #1 can help but again you need competent people running the show.

The thing that gets me is how many don't wanna tank after years of mediocre to awful football?

I mean NOW you're complaining about trying to suck? Like the past half century of suck hasn't been terrible enough?
Eh. If the team knew what they were doing they wouldn't need the top pick to build a team that knew one end of a football field from the other. And if a team doesn't know what they're doing no first round pick is going to save them.

If the draft were all that, then the Browns wouldn't have been so consistently terrible for so long. The fact of the matter is that you can't make a team in the first round. If you can't get a steady stream of talent in the other rounds, which you can do regardless of where you pick in the first round, then you aren't going to build a playoff team. Period. If the only way you have of gaining talent is looking for literal can't miss talent in the first round then you as a GM are not good at your job and need to give way in favor of someone who can. And if you can find talent in later rounds, the first round is surprisingly unimportant.

The long and short of it is if the Jets were capable of actually building a winner by tanking, they were capable of building a winner without tanking. If they aren't capable of building a winner without tanking, going in the tank will just waste some poor highly touted first rounder's career.
 
Eh. If the team knew what they were doing they wouldn't need the top pick to build a team that knew one end of a football field from the other. And if a team doesn't know what they're doing no first round pick is going to save them.

If the draft were all that, then the Browns wouldn't have been so consistently terrible for so long. The fact of the matter is that you can't make a team in the first round. If you can't get a steady stream of talent in the other rounds, which you can do regardless of where you pick in the first round, then you aren't going to build a playoff team. Period. If the only way you have of gaining talent is looking for literal can't miss talent in the first round then you as a GM are not good at your job and need to give way in favor of someone who can. And if you can find talent in later rounds, the first round is surprisingly unimportant.

The long and short of it is if the Jets were capable of actually building a winner by tanking, they were capable of building a winner without tanking. If they aren't capable of building a winner without tanking, going in the tank will just waste some poor highly touted first rounder's career.


You really just missed the post completely and choose an easy answer.

I said in post that the people running the show are more important and esp the decisions they make.

You can't build a team a team through the 1st round? You don't say?

Hitting on mis round picks and sleepers? Wow I had no idea?

Jets are terrible blah blah
 
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Maybe straight tanking is indeed less painful to the usual Just End The Season climax..
Approve: 79 percent (87)
Disapprove: 21 percent (23)

Words from tanking-tickets owners:
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/jets-fans-unplugged-what-season-ticket-holders-really-think-of-tank/
____

quote:

Mark Dorfman, Rockville Center
Season-ticket holder since 1984
Sections 111a and 124 — $40,000 on PSLs and $9,000 on six tickets:


“I think it’s a great plan and they should’ve started with the oldest member of the team … Woody Johnson.”

Didn't Dorfman just pass away?
 
It's really hard to watch franchises get away with losing on purpose when the Patriots have been completely screwed repeatedly for absolutely nothing. Losing on purpose is supposed to be the capital crime in sports yet these franchises treat it like business as usual.


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You really just missed the post completely and choose an easy answer.

I said in post that the people running the show are more important and esp the decisions they make.

You can't build a team a team through the 1st round? You don't say?

Hitting on mis round picks and sleepers? Wow I had no idea?

Jets are terrible blah blah
No need to be prickly. But it's the a fact that the list of "franchise saving" first rounders is a very spotty and uncertain one. A lot of times the best you can do with your top pick is bring in a guy who'll put butts in seats for a few years. Unless you have a fundamentally sound plan to put a roster around those top guys they're not gonna get you anywhere.

I do understand that tanking for the trade and draft capital can be a worthwhile use of a lost year. if you're just taking over a team it can be your best option if you can sell it to the fans. But at the end of the day it's a lot more useful to have a good eye for the lunchpail guys. If you can pick a good supporting cast to put around the premium talent, it's a fact that you simply need less premium talent. it's the lack of ability to find these fundamentally sound rank and file guys to build around their centerpiece talent, not the raw talent on the team, that's holding back the New York Jets IMHO. Tanking does not solve this problem.

Also -- perhaps my perception of first round quarterbacks in particular is skewed. I've seen too many JaMarcus Russel, RGIII, Brady Quinn types who show up, flare breifly if at all, then go away. It's actually probably more important to find a quarterback that's a good fit for what the rest of your team is trying to do and the culture you're trying to build, than go after collegiate superstars with all the talent ever. But of course to do that you need to be able to build a culture in your team. And I honestly think that a team that's tanking will have a lot of trouble building a respectful, fundamentally sound culture at the same time.

So it's like I see why the Jets are selling the fans on tanking and getting ready to take the plunge. But I'm not sure they aren't solving the wrong prublem.
 
It's really hard to watch franchises get away with losing on purpose when the Patriots have been completely screwed repeatedly for absolutely nothing. Losing on purpose is supposed to be the capital crime in sports yet these franchises treat it like business as usual.


Rat bastard cheating mother*ckers

Truth. Why aren't there more people clamoring for an investigation? Oh yeah, Goody loves his Yets.

Sad that the Yets cheat regularly and are still bottom-feeders with no upward trajectory at all. Their 2015 season was a fluke and as previously mentioned are staking their future on a USC QB.

The NBA has it's problems but I wouldn't hate the NFL for adopting the lottery. Built-in discouragement for tanking.
 
Doesn't intentionally sucking violate the "integrity" of the NFL???...

Or is the "integrity standard" exclusively reserved for the NEP??

F.. the NY Jets they get what they deserve..
 
I'm really curious to see how professional sports handicappers are going to predict Jests games for this next season and still trying to make the NFL look like a professional league without fixed outcomes.
 
No need to be prickly. But it's the a fact that the list of "franchise saving" first rounders is a very spotty and uncertain one. A lot of times the best you can do with your top pick is bring in a guy who'll put butts in seats for a few years. Unless you have a fundamentally sound plan to put a roster around those top guys they're not gonna get you anywhere.

I do understand that tanking for the trade and draft capital can be a worthwhile use of a lost year. if you're just taking over a team it can be your best option if you can sell it to the fans. But at the end of the day it's a lot more useful to have a good eye for the lunchpail guys. If you can pick a good supporting cast to put around the premium talent, it's a fact that you simply need less premium talent. it's the lack of ability to find these fundamentally sound rank and file guys to build around their centerpiece talent, not the raw talent on the team, that's holding back the New York Jets IMHO. Tanking does not solve this problem.

Also -- perhaps my perception of first round quarterbacks in particular is skewed. I've seen too many JaMarcus Russel, RGIII, Brady Quinn types who show up, flare breifly if at all, then go away. It's actually probably more important to find a quarterback that's a good fit for what the rest of your team is trying to do and the culture you're trying to build, than go after collegiate superstars with all the talent ever. But of course to do that you need to be able to build a culture in your team. And I honestly think that a team that's tanking will have a lot of trouble building a respectful, fundamentally sound culture at the same time.


So it's like I see why the Jets are selling the fans on tanking and getting ready to take the plunge. But I'm not sure they aren't solving the wrong prublem.

Just busting balls & twisting titties my friend.


I get everything you're saying and agree with a lot.
The jets aren't going anywhere fast. This next draft looks excellent from top heavy talent to depth in the mid rounds.

Why not set yourself nicely and give yourself more flexibility?
 
Eh. If the team knew what they were doing they wouldn't need the top pick to build a team that knew one end of a football field from the other. And if a team doesn't know what they're doing no first round pick is going to save them.

If the draft were all that, then the Browns wouldn't have been so consistently terrible for so long. The fact of the matter is that you can't make a team in the first round. If you can't get a steady stream of talent in the other rounds, which you can do regardless of where you pick in the first round, then you aren't going to build a playoff team. Period. If the only way you have of gaining talent is looking for literal can't miss talent in the first round then you as a GM are not good at your job and need to give way in favor of someone who can. And if you can find talent in later rounds, the first round is surprisingly unimportant.

The long and short of it is if the Jets were capable of actually building a winner by tanking, they were capable of building a winner without tanking. If they aren't capable of building a winner without tanking, going in the tank will just waste some poor highly touted first rounder's career.
I'm afraid I have to correct you on one important point. The Jetes do know "one end of a football field from the other."
One end is the end where they don't score points.
The other end is the end where they let other teams score points.

Otherwise, I agree with what you say. :)
 
Truth. Why aren't there more people clamoring for an investigation? Oh yeah, Goody loves his Yets.

Sad that the Yets cheat regularly and are still bottom-feeders with no upward trajectory at all. Their 2015 season was a fluke and as previously mentioned are staking their future on a USC QB.

The NBA has it's problems but I wouldn't hate the NFL for adopting the lottery. Built-in discouragement for tanking.


Agree completely. The truth of the matter is that losing on purpose has a ripple effect upon the entire season, as well as the future through draft order. Teams that shouldn't make the playoffs get an extra win or two if the team losing on purpose is in division, and gets into the playoffs over a team that doesn't play the team that's tanking, and that ultimately impacts the entire league.

The problem is proving it, which is generally going to be hard to do, however when a team that is losing every week due to horrendous QB play passed on a starting caliber QB that is waived in season, which the Colts did when the Broncos waived Kyle Orton and the Colts had first shot at him on the waiver wire, then it's beyond obvious that they are trying to get the first pick overall, which they ultimately got. Fittingly the scumbag architect of that fix ended up at ESPN, but he should have been banned from football for life, and the Colts should have lost every pick in that draft and their first for 5 years.
 
It's really hard to watch franchises get away with losing on purpose when the Patriots have been completely screwed repeatedly for absolutely nothing. Losing on purpose is supposed to be the capital crime in sports yet these franchises treat it like business as usual.


Rat bastard cheating mother*ckers
Why would it be hard to watch the jete destroy their franchise so badly that they thInk trying to lose is there best option?
And even more funny is it won't help and they will stay pathetic.
 
Just a reminder that the last team to win the Super Bowl with a player they drafted #1 overall was the 2006 Colts and Peyton Manning, a player they drafted 8 years prior.

Tanking for the #1 pick may lead to a great player, but ripping apart a team to do so doesn't seem to have a significant advantage in achieving the ultimate goal.
 
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