David Andrews about to Sign Extension

Biffins said:

Sure. Here's facts.

Patriots’ flaws were exposed - The Boston Globe

"The biggest wrinkle the Texans showed was using their outside pass rushers on the inside. Jadeveon Clowney and Whitney Mercilus moved all over the formation, often lining up in a 2-point stance, but their biggest damage came when both were lined up across from interior offensive linemen.

By lining up the two players next to each other, the Texans were able to get a 1-on-1 matchup for Mercilus on center David Andrews, and Mercilus beat him badly for two sacks with his power and speed. The Texans often brought their defenders through the same gaps, like when linebacker Brian Cushing blitzed right behind Clowney and pressured Tom Brady into a modest 4-yard completion to Martellus Bennett. Overall, the Patriots’ interior offensive line of Andrews, Joe Thuney, and Shaq Mason combined to allow four pressures, two hits, two sacks, and a run stuff."

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Yep, that was a heartbreaking loss to the Texans. Scar needs to be fired-PRONTO!!!!!

Ivan said:

Yep, that was a heartbreaking loss to the Texans. Scar needs to be fired-PRONTO!!!!!

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I said Andrews was bad in that game. I provided facts. The fact we won the game doesn't change that.

e.g. The fact we won the Superbowl in 2014 doesn't change the fact Kyle Arrington played horribly in the Superbowl and we dumped him after that game.

captain stone said:

…who has never snapped a football anywhere during any season.

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This is false.. He's spent time at Center last pre-season. He also has practiced there for the Patriots since joining the team.

Ivan said:

Yep, that was a heartbreaking loss to the Texans. Scar needs to be fired-PRONTO!!!!!

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How dare this team learn from mistakes that didn't cost them a win.

Biffins said:

Sure. Here's facts.

Patriots’ flaws were exposed - The Boston Globe

"The biggest wrinkle the Texans showed was using their outside pass rushers on the inside. Jadeveon Clowney and Whitney Mercilus moved all over the formation, often lining up in a 2-point stance, but their biggest damage came when both were lined up across from interior offensive linemen.

By lining up the two players next to each other, the Texans were able to get a 1-on-1 matchup for Mercilus on center David Andrews, and Mercilus beat him badly for two sacks with his power and speed. The Texans often brought their defenders through the same gaps, like when linebacker Brian Cushing blitzed right behind Clowney and pressured Tom Brady into a modest 4-yard completion to Martellus Bennett. Overall, the Patriots’ interior offensive line of Andrews, Joe Thuney, and Shaq Mason combined to allow four pressures, two hits, two sacks, and a run stuff."

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So you are saying that the Texans managed to achieve a mismatch by lining up 2 1st rounders (including 1st overall) together to attack the middle of the OL... should that come as a surprise?

Its a bit like saying Patriots schemed to get Gronk in a 1-on-1 match with *insert average LB*, and made *insert average LB* look like a scrub. Clearly *insert average LB* sucks and should go play in the CFL where he belongs.

While the Patriots have good players. Other teams, especially playoff teams, have good players too.

Biffins said:

I said Andrews was bad in that game. I provided facts. The fact we won the game doesn't change that.

e.g. The fact we won the Superbowl in 2014 doesn't change the fact Kyle Arrington played horribly in the Superbowl and we dumped him after that game.

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I love when people like you, @Biffins , attempt to backpedal and outright lie. It truly makes my day because you lose all credibility.

Here is what you said:
David Andrews about to Sign Extension

@Biffins said:

Andrews got destroyed in the playoff game against Houston. They moved their edge rushers to the middle specifically to exploit the weakness in the OL that is Andrews.

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As I pointed out, there were only 2 plays in the 2nd quarter where Andrews "got destroyed" as you put it.

The fact that you later attempted to use a Ben Volin article to support your case is laughable. Totally and completely.

Not to mention that Volin's article puts the blame on all three of the interior linemen, not just Andrews.. 4 pressures, 2 hits, 2 sacks on 40 drop backs. That's a whopping 20%.. 1 Stuff on 24 run plays?

The fact that the Patriots O-line did so well against Houston was awesome. Houston was the #1 Defense in the league when it came to yards allowed. They were ranked 11th in points allowed. They were 12th in run defense, allowing slightly less than 100 yards per game. They were 2nd in Pass Defense, allowing just over 200 yards per game. They allowed the fewest number of offensive snaps last year.

Now, I'm not saying Andrews had a great game.. but he certainly didn't get destroyed as you originally claimed..

OH. BTW.. Since you missed it. Whitney Mercilus was 2nd Team All-Pro. Clowney? 1st Team All-Pro. So, you'll forgive everyone for not jumping on the "Dave Andrews got destroyed" bandwagon. Especially when you've offered up nothing but Ben Volin's ignorance as support.

captain stone said:

Let's hope so. I still prefer to have backups to young starters to have actual NFL experience at the position.

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Could you show us all the teams who have back up centers with Actual NFL experience? We'll wait..

Nehalem said:

So you are saying that the Texans managed to achieve a mismatch by lining up 2 1st rounders (including 1st overall) together to attack the middle of the OL... should that come as a surprise?

Its a bit like saying Patriots schemed to get Gronk in a 1-on-1 match with *insert average LB*, and made *insert average LB* look like a scrub. Clearly *insert average LB* sucks and should go play in the CFL where he belongs.

While the Patriots have good players. Other teams, especially playoff teams, have good players too.

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Nehalem - you're forgetting the fact that Clowney was named 1st team All-Pro and that Mercilus was named 2nd team All-Pro..

Nehalem said:

"Undersized" David Andrews was 6'2.5 295 pounds, 27 bp reps when drafted.
Best center in the country Matt Eiflein was 6'3 303 pounds, 22 BP reps..

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Yeah, for linemen, around the number "3" has magical powers, while the number "2" is a sign of incompetence, regardless of what comes after them.

This year's top college centers had weights varying from 287 to 325, with most hovering right around 300.

Biffins said:

and we dumped him after that game.

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Not a "fact". Your interpretation of the facts.

Biffins said:

I said Andrews was bad in that game. I provided facts. The fact we won the game doesn't change that.

e.g. The fact we won the Superbowl in 2014 doesn't change the fact Kyle Arrington played horribly in the Superbowl and we dumped him after that game.

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*roflmao* So, let me get this straight.. You think that because Arrington was released in MAY of 2015, that is "right after the game" of SB 49? Keep coming with those "facts"..

You are wrong on all counts.

DaBruinz said:

I love when people like you, @Biffins , attempt to backpedal and outright lie. It truly makes my day because you lose all credibility.

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No I did not backpedal and did not lie.

DaBruinz said:

Here is what you said:
David Andrews about to Sign Extension



As I pointed out, there were only 2 plays in the 2nd quarter where Andrews "got destroyed" as you put it.

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You mean the two sacks he gave up. Given the critical nature of sacks and how they stop drives, I think that constitutes a bad game. What would make it a bad game for you? Giving up 4 sacks? 2 is ok?

And it wasn't just the sacks. He gave up pressures as well and was invisible in the run game.

DaBruinz said:

The fact that you later attempted to use a Ben Volin article to support your case is laughable. Totally and completely.

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You said, provide some facts, I did. You take exception that the article is from Ben Volin, even though Volin has no bone to pick with Andrews and I don't know why you think his analysis or breakdown would be biased. And infact I just pulled up the game and watched the two sacks he mentioned again and Andrews got badly beaten.

DaBruinz said:

Not to mention that Volin's article puts the blame on all three of the interior linemen, not just Andrews.. 4 pressures, 2 hits, 2 sacks on 40 drop backs. That's a whopping 20%.. 1 Stuff on 24 run plays?

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No it doesn't. He specifically pointed out Andrews. I'll post it again since you missed it.

"By lining up the two players next to each other, the Texans were able to get a 1-on-1 matchup for Mercilus on center David Andrews, and Mercilus beat him badly for two sacks with his power and speed. "

DaBruinz said:

The fact that the Patriots O-line did so well against Houston was awesome.

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Are you kidding me. Are O-Line blew it badly. Brady was pressured all night. We had only 50 yards on the ground. He was forced into errant throws, giving up 2 ints. He was sacked multiple times. And we finally pulled ahead by throwing up some low percentage long balls that were pulled down and how well the Defense played for us. O-Line sucked badly. They were completely outmatched.

Here's some articles to refresh your memory

NFL playoffs: Tom Brady survives a beating as Patriots eventually rout Texans

And don't take my word for it. Here's the transcript from BB and TB themselves.

New England Patriots Postgame Transcripts 1/14

BB "They did a good job. Defensively they gave us a lot of problems. We had six first-downs in the first half. We threw up a couple of prayers and came down with them, made a couple of good catches with Chris [Hogan] and Julian [Edelman]. We just didn't have any consistency at all offensively, couldn't run it or throw it very well."

And here's Brady specifically saying it was bad execution in defending against pressure up the middle. Obviously he's not going to name Andrews and throw him under the bus, but this is as close as it gets.

Q: Were there some things, particularly the pressure up the middle from Whitney Mercilus, that maybe you didn't anticipate?

TB: Yeah, they tried that against us last year and had a little success, so I think we were prepared for it. We just didn't do a great job executing. The turnovers obviously hurt us quite a bit, so we've got to try to tighten those things up this week.

Q: What are you taking away from the mistakes made tonight?

TB: I think we've just got to learn from it. I think this team did a great job playing against us. They had some good scheme stuff that worked. They have good rushers and they had some good guys in coverage, so they had a pretty good scheme. It was a lot of things, and then when you add our poor execution on top of that, then you add our turnovers on top of that, it doesn't feel great because we worked pretty hard to play a lot better than we played. I give them a lot of credit, but we're going to have to play better on offense.

BB and TB don't sound like our O-Line was rocking it against Houston. If you don't like Volin's breakdown or Breech and CBS Sports, in the articles I posted, maybe you'll trust BB and TB that our O-Line played badly, leading to a non-existent run game, and sputtering passing game due to Brady constantly being under pressure.

Biffins said:

You are wrong on all counts.

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Only in your warped reality am I wrong on any account.

Biffins said:

No I did not backpedal and did not lie.

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BS you didn't backpedal. First you claimed Andrews "got destroyed". Then you said "he had a bad game". Now, you're saying the entire O-line.

Biffins said:

You mean the two sacks he gave up. Given the critical nature of sacks and how they stop drives, I think that constitutes a bad game. What would make it a bad game for you? Giving up 4 sacks? 2 is ok?

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Except he didn't give up the two sacks. That just goes to show that you don't know sh!t about the game.

Biffins said:

And it wasn't just the sacks. He gave up pressures as well and was invisible in the run game.

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More proof you don't know wtf you are talking about. Your claims that he was invisible in the run game are so pathetic and shows that you didn't actually watch the game. Furthermore, you don't seem to understand the quality of competition he was going against.

Biffins said:

You said, provide some facts, I did. You take exception that the article is from Ben Volin, even though Volin has no bone to pick with Andrews and I don't know why you think his analysis or breakdown would be biased. And infact I just pulled up the game and watched the two sacks he mentioned again and Andrews got badly beaten.

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You're full of garbage. Volin's article isn't fact. It's opinion. And you clearly didn't watch the two sacks because if you did, you'd know that he wasn't responsible for the late man coming in..

Volin couldn't do analysis if Belichick was dictating to him.. The guy is a mental midget, though you're making him look like Einstein.

Biffins said:

No it doesn't. He specifically pointed out Andrews. I'll post it again since you missed it.

"By lining up the two players next to each other, the Texans were able to get a 1-on-1 matchup for Mercilus on center David Andrews, and Mercilus beat him badly for two sacks with his power and speed. "

Are you kidding me. Are O-Line blew it badly. Brady was pressured all night. We had only 50 yards on the ground. He was forced into errant throws, giving up 2 ints. He was sacked multiple times. And we finally pulled ahead by throwing up some low percentage long balls that were pulled down and how well the Defense played for us. O-Line sucked badly. They were completely outmatched.

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You so don't know WTF you are talking about. Neither of the interceptions was because of an "errant throw". WOW. He was sacked a whole 2 times in the 2nd quarter.. How about the rest of the game? ZERO.. Hmm..

Brady was sacked twice on 38 drop backs. There were a total of 8 pressures.. That's NOT A LOT..Especially when you look at other games where the Pats gave up double digit pressures.

Low percentage throws? You mean throwing to guys who are open is a low percentage throw?? SMH..

OH. BTW. Not sure what game you watched, but the Pats had 99 yards on the ground against Houston.

Lewis had 41 ( BTW, you can see that it was Andrews who took on Wilfork 1-on-1 for Lewis TD)

Blount had 31
Edelman had 12
Amendola had 15. (I bet you think that Andrews whiffed on the End Around)

On 23 rushes for 98 yards..
Unless you want to count Brady's kneel downs against them..

Biffins said:

Here's some articles to refresh your memory

NFL playoffs: Tom Brady survives a beating as Patriots eventually rout Texans

And don't take my word for it. Here's the transcript from BB and TB themselves.

New England Patriots Postgame Transcripts 1/14

BB "They did a good job. Defensively they gave us a lot of problems. We had six first-downs in the first half. We threw up a couple of prayers and came down with them, made a couple of good catches with Chris [Hogan] and Julian [Edelman]. We just didn't have any consistency at all offensively, couldn't run it or throw it very well."

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When has BB not downplayed a win? Furthermore, where does BB point to the O-line? OH.. That's right. He doesn't. He pointed to the entire offense.

Biffins said:

And here's Brady specifically saying it was bad execution in defending against pressure up the middle. Obviously he's not going to name Andrews and throw him under the bus, but this is as close as it gets.

Q: Were there some things, particularly the pressure up the middle from Whitney Mercilus, that maybe you didn't anticipate?

TB: Yeah, they tried that against us last year and had a little success, so I think we were prepared for it. We just didn't do a great job executing. The turnovers obviously hurt us quite a bit, so we've got to try to tighten those things up this week.

Q: What are you taking away from the mistakes made tonight?

TB: I think we've just got to learn from it. I think this team did a great job playing against us. They had some good scheme stuff that worked. They have good rushers and they had some good guys in coverage, so they had a pretty good scheme. It was a lot of things, and then when you add our poor execution on top of that, then you add our turnovers on top of that, it doesn't feel great because we worked pretty hard to play a lot better than we played. I give them a lot of credit, but we're going to have to play better on offense.

BB and TB don't sound like our O-Line was rocking it against Houston. If you don't like Volin's breakdown or Breech and CBS Sports, in the articles I posted, maybe you'll trust BB and TB that our O-Line played badly, leading to a non-existent run game, and sputtering passing game due to Brady constantly being under pressure.

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The fact that you think that BB and TB are referring ONLY to the O-line is 99.99% of the issue. It shows how clueless you are. BB and TB didn't say that the O-line played badly. They said the OFFENSE executed poorly. That's everyone. Including Brady himself.

Executing poorly is different than your original claim that "Andrews got destroyed".
@Biffins you are a Johnny Come Lately who doesn't know jack about football other than what you've read from hacks like Ben Volin. You think that 8 pressures on 28 drop backs is "being pressured all night". You think that BB and Brady saying that the OFFENSE executing poorly means that it's just the O-line who did bad. Unlike you, they don't throw their teammates under the bus.. They acknowledge it was TEAM issue. And it was.. Because there were some bad plays by Edelman and Brady in the 1st half.

Unlike you, I know that 2 bad plays don't make an entire game. Unlike you, I know that Andrews held up against Covington and Wilfork 1-on-1 most of the game.

Unlike you, I know that the failures in the run game weren't entirely on Andrews. The one "STUFF" that Clowney had came on the 1st drive.. How many more runs up the middle did the Pats have after that?

Unlike you, I give credit to outstanding players. Which Clowney and Mercilus both are.

BTW, keep telling everyone how Arrington was let go immediately after the SB when it was nearly 3 months later.. Shows the kinds of "facts" you use.

DaBruinz said:

Only in your warped reality am I wrong on any account.



BS you didn't backpedal. First you claimed Andrews "got destroyed". Then you said "he had a bad game". Now, you're saying the entire O-line.



Except he didn't give up the two sacks. That just goes to show that you don't know sh!t about the game.



More proof you don't know wtf you are talking about. Your claims that he was invisible in the run game are so pathetic and shows that you didn't actually watch the game. Furthermore, you don't seem to understand the quality of competition he was going against.



You're full of garbage. Volin's article isn't fact. It's opinion. And you clearly didn't watch the two sacks because if you did, you'd know that he wasn't responsible for the late man coming in..

Volin couldn't do analysis if Belichick was dictating to him.. The guy is a mental midget, though you're making him look like Einstein.




You so don't know WTF you are talking about. Neither of the interceptions was because of an "errant throw". WOW. He was sacked a whole 2 times in the 2nd quarter.. How about the rest of the game? ZERO.. Hmm..

Brady was sacked twice on 38 drop backs. There were a total of 8 pressures.. That's NOT A LOT..Especially when you look at other games where the Pats gave up double digit pressures.

Low percentage throws? You mean throwing to guys who are open is a low percentage throw?? SMH..

OH. BTW. Not sure what game you watched, but the Pats had 99 yards on the ground against Houston.

Lewis had 41 ( BTW, you can see that it was Andrews who took on Wilfork 1-on-1 for Lewis TD)

Blount had 31
Edelman had 12
Amendola had 15. (I bet you think that Andrews whiffed on the End Around)

On 23 rushes for 98 yards..
Unless you want to count Brady's kneel downs against them..



When has BB not downplayed a win? Furthermore, where does BB point to the O-line? OH.. That's right. He doesn't. He pointed to the entire offense.



The fact that you think that BB and TB are referring ONLY to the O-line is 99.99% of the issue. It shows how clueless you are. BB and TB didn't say that the O-line played badly. They said the OFFENSE executed poorly. That's everyone. Including Brady himself.

Executing poorly is different than your original claim that "Andrews got destroyed".
@Biffins you are a Johnny Come Lately who doesn't know jack about football other than what you've read from hacks like Ben Volin. You think that 8 pressures on 28 drop backs is "being pressured all night". You think that BB and Brady saying that the OFFENSE executing poorly means that it's just the O-line who did bad. Unlike you, they don't throw their teammates under the bus.. They acknowledge it was TEAM issue. And it was.. Because there were some bad plays by Edelman and Brady in the 1st half.

Unlike you, I know that 2 bad plays don't make an entire game. Unlike you, I know that Andrews held up against Covington and Wilfork 1-on-1 most of the game.

Unlike you, I know that the failures in the run game weren't entirely on Andrews. The one "STUFF" that Clowney had came on the 1st drive.. How many more runs up the middle did the Pats have after that?

Unlike you, I give credit to outstanding players. Which Clowney and Mercilus both are.

BTW, keep telling everyone how Arrington was let go immediately after the SB when it was nearly 3 months later.. Shows the kinds of "facts" you use.

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Ok mate, you keep your solo membership of David Andrews Fan Club and keep trying to recruit new members. I've already wasted too much time on this. Cheers. Bye.

Biffins said:

Ok mate, you keep your solo membership of David Andrews Fan Club and keep trying to recruit new members. I've already wasted too much time on this. Cheers. Bye.

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It's hilarious that you think that my pointing out your BS somehow makes me a member of the David Andres Fan club. Fact is that you were talking out your rear end without fact and got called on it. I wasn't the only one who called you out.

And then you got taken to task again when you ran your mouth about Arrington. Something everyone has noticed you haven't said squat on since you were proven to be wrong.

@Biffins - Do you think that going back and abusing the dislike/disagree button by using them on my 6 more of my posts somehow makes you look right? It doesn't. It makes you look immature and butthurt. Especially when you do it all at once..

It's amazing that you disagree with factual statements (Clowney being named an All-Pro last year and Mercilus being a 2nd Team All-Pro).

Have you actually followed the thread because, pretty much, no one has agreed with your take. There were several people who pointed out the severe flaws of your arguments, not just me..

Wow nice play.

What andrew's lacks in athleticism, he makes up for with cerebral ability in spades. IIRC, he is married to Dan Reeves niece? Brady loves the guy, thats good enough for me.

Given the quotes provided earlier in the thread re Andrews putting in lots of film work, and the familial tie to a former, relatively well respected NFL HC, I'd wager it's safe to say he will be studying the game damn near all the time. I'm sure uncle Dan would love breaking down tape occasionally.

While playing in the box of IOL, athleticism only goes so far. Instincts, diagnostic ability, and communication can take someone much farther.

Dont get me wrong, i loved stork his rookie year, but his cognitive deficiencies ended up being his unwinding.

Biffins said:

Ok mate, you keep your solo membership of David Andrews Fan Club and keep trying to recruit new members. I've already wasted too much time on this. Cheers. Bye.

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He can't be solo because BB and Dante are in it too