Julian Edelman & Pats agree to multi-year contract extension [2 yrs, $11 mil, $9 mil gtd]

RobertWeathers · Jun 9, 2017

Keyser Söze said:
Never thought he'd turn out to be this good. I was just hoping he'd be a poor man's Welker.

He has but we are talking about the difference in fractions

2007-2012 Welker- (16 game ave) 116 catches, 1243 yds, 6TDs
2013-2016 JE11 (16 game average) 104 catches, 1113 yards, 6TDs

Jackson 2 · Jun 9, 2017

Ivan said:
I begrudge players deliberately freelancing because they are pissed about their contract. Imo Collins doesn't care about football or winning, he just likes the money. I'm glad they got rid of him. Really talented guy but not someone you sink fifty million in.

Yeah, I wasn't defending Collins or his method. It was just a general observation on getting all you can while you can.

Ivan · Jun 9, 2017

Jackson 2 said:
Yeah, I wasn't defending Collins or his method. It was just a general observation on getting all you can while you can.

I don't disagree with that at all, I think that Collins, Easely, and Chandler Jones are all examples of young players who are very talented but don't care deeply about playing football and aren't really dedicated to their profession. They were all worth their rookie deals but imo Collins and Jones won't live up to their big deals.

jah · Jun 9, 2017

Ivan said:
I don't disagree with that at all, I think that Collins, Easely, and Chandler Jones are all examples of young players who are very talented but don't care deeply about playing football and aren't really dedicated to their profession. They were all worth their rookie deals but imo Collins and Jones won't live up to their big deals.

Easley evidently was not worth his rookie deal, considering he was cut during it and no one claimed him.

Ring 6 · Jun 9, 2017

Tony2046 said:
Good post Rob.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you but want to mention that JE's Yards per game (69.1) ranked 15th while his Average Salary ranked 41st last season.

I'm not sure that people still believe JE is a product of Brady/System etc... He's proven he's not by producing regardless of who's on the field. No Brady or no Gronk no problem. To be honest I'm not sure what "system" means. JE runs routes and gets open.

All highlighted players had less yards per game than JE.

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It's interesting because while his numbers were down without Brady they were even worse in Brady's first 4 games back.
Then something changed.

1st 4. 19/196/0
2nd 4 22/162/1

1st 8 41/358/1
Last 8 57/758/2

Then playoffs was 21/342 (almost as many yards in 3 games as the entire first half of the season)

I think it may have been related to gronk.

jah · Jun 9, 2017

Ring 6 said:
It's interesting because while his numbers were down without Brady they were even worse in Brady's first 4 games back.
Then something changed.

1st 4. 19/196/0
2nd 4 22/162/1

1st 8 41/358/1
Last 8 57/758/2

Then playoffs was 21/342 (almost as many yards in 3 games as the entire first half of the season)

I think it may have been related to gronk.

It was entirely related to Gronk. 2015 seemed similar except we lost Edelman too.

BradyFTW! · Jun 9, 2017

Nehalem said:
Welker made the Super Bowl in his first year with the Broncos. Oh though given how that game turned out he probably wishes he couldn't remember it.

Well, there's a good chance he can't.

BradyFTW! · Jun 9, 2017

Rob0729 said:
He is considered a slot receiver right or wrong by most people in this league. He spent 53.5% of the time in the slot last season and 51.2% of the time in the slot in 2015. When you spend more than half the time in the slot, you are considered a slot receiver even if it is slightly more than half the time.

And he doesn't get paid what he deserves for a number of reasons. First, people believe he is a product of Brady and the Patriots' offense. Second, he is not an X receiver and X receivers are the ones who typically get paid because they are considered the big play makers. Third, he isn't a deep receiver. Most of his passes are short crossing patterns, screens, etc. and he picks up extra yards on the ground which typically does not give him a top of the league YPC (he had 11.3 YPC last year which wasn't even in the top 40 for WR).

By that metric, Randall Cobb, Doug Baldwin, and Larry Fitzgerald are also slot receivers, and all make a lot more money than Edelman does. So will Jarvis Landry when he becomes a FA. I think Edelman's pay is partly due to him playing the majority of his snaps in the slot, but I don't think that's the main factor.

jah · Jun 9, 2017

BradyFTW! said:
By that metric, Randall Cobb, Doug Baldwin, and Larry Fitzgerald are also slot receivers, and all make a lot more money than Edelman does. So will Jarvis Landry when he becomes a FA. I think Edelman's pay is partly due to him playing the majority of his snaps in the slot, but I don't think that's the main factor.

People have been referring to all those guys, even Fitz, as slot receivers for the last couple years. Slot receiver isn't a dirty word anymore.

Froob · Jun 9, 2017

Elijah said:
People have been referring to all those guys, even Fitz, as slot receivers for the last couple years. Slot receiver isn't a dirty word anymore.

I really don't see the Welker comparison though, he's outside a lot more than Wes was.

jah · Jun 9, 2017

Froob said:
I really don't see the Welker comparison though, he's outside a lot more than Wes was.

I didn't know that was the context. No, he's much more versatile than Wes. Except we haven't seen him kick an extra point...

Sparetire · Jun 9, 2017

Great news and a great way to start the Sabbath!
gotta love Jules.

bormio · Jun 9, 2017

Elijah said:
It was entirely related to Gronk. 2015 seemed similar except we lost Edelman too.

There was talk of him still working through his foot issue as well. I remember the SF game - seemed like they were forcing the ball to him on deeper routes. That was a tough game, but after that they starting clicking on some of those throws and really helped us later.

deroc5050 · Jun 9, 2017

Last season Brady was going to Julian too much at one point. Not necessarily because it wasn't effective but because I think a lot of people just wanted to keep Edelman standing up for when the playoffs started. It was blatantly obvious during the SF game that Brady and Edelman were almost treating that game as practice.

Biffins · Jun 9, 2017

convertedpatsfan said:
Remember when this kid was getting booed during training camp for flubbing punts while trying to learn how to do that? Or when he was more valuable as a depth DB?

Now he's an all-time Patriot, with huge catches in the last two Super Bowls that will never be forgotten. Just a remarkable career for a 7th-round former QB.

Doesn't he also have the highest punt return average in NFL history?

Biffins · Jun 9, 2017

robertweathers said:
He has but we are talking about the difference in fractions

2007-2012 Welker- (16 game ave) 116 catches, 1243 yds, 6TDs
2013-2016 JE11 (16 game average) 104 catches, 1113 yards, 6TDs

Most important of all is how clutch Edelman has been. Welker was amazing in the 2007 SuperBowl but that's partly forgotten since we lost it. But a lot of the other big games Welker came up small, most memorably in the 2011 SuperBowl.

Edelman meanwhile has been amazing in almost all playoff games, and that's part of the reason Pats have gotten to the AFC Championship or better 6 years in a row since 2011. Frankly the 2016 Superbowl was one of his more ho-hum games relative to the very high standard he set, and even then he had a miracle catch and a decent 4th quarter.

Jackson 2 · Jun 9, 2017

Ivan said:
I don't disagree with that at all, I think that Collins, Easely, and Chandler Jones are all examples of young players who are very talented but don't care deeply about playing football and aren't really dedicated to their profession. They were all worth their rookie deals but imo Collins and Jones won't live up to their big deals.

I wouldn't pretend to know if they "care deeply about football" or not. I suspect their success might suggest they do, but I don't know. I envy you the fact that you do. You're very fortunate.

RobertWeathers · Jun 9, 2017

Biffins said:
Most important of all is how clutch Edelman has been. Welker was amazing in the 2007 SuperBowl but that's partly forgotten since we lost it. But a lot of the other big games Welker came up small, most memorably in the 2011 SuperBowl.

Edelman meanwhile has been amazing in almost all playoff games, and that's part of the reason Pats have gotten to the AFC Championship or better 6 years in a row since 2011. Frankly the 2016 Superbowl was one of his more ho-hum games relative to the very high standard he set, and even then he had a miracle catch and a decent 4th quarter.

I'm a huge WW fan but there is no denying JE11 has had a more clutch playoff career.

Its kinda like the LeBron vs Larry Legend arguement. LeBron you take over 82 games but in a G7 4th qtr who do you want?

You pick LB33 every time.

convertedpatsfan · Jun 9, 2017

Biffins said:
Doesn't he also have the highest punt return average in NFL history?

He did at one point. It's dropped a bit recently, but still an incredibly dangerous returner, you're right.

goheels22002 · Jun 9, 2017

Nehalem said:
Welker made the Super Bowl in his first year with the Broncos. Oh though given how that game turned out he probably wishes he couldn't remember it.

You are correct. Thank you. I will fix the original post. I forgot that they got blown out by the Seahawks.

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