What can Brady do that Rodgers can't...FS1.

qbno12 said:

I have posted this before and I am posting again. As good as Rodgers' physical skills are he doesn't have the mental toughness or poise as Brady. That's what separates them. You take our one or two of his best WRs and their offense collapses. Not the case with Brady. Brady may still lose the game, but you can tell they fought till the end.

As for the hail mary passes that Rodgers is so famous for, I give him all the credit it the world to throw the ball that far so his receivers can reach the end zone and catch them. But I would credit the receivers for jumping up and making a contested catch. For some reason I have never heard a commentators credit the receiver making the catch on these hail mary passes.

Also, Rodgers has never known to bring his team back from a deficit to win games and has struggled in playoff games.

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Yeah, Rodgers AIMS those passes .... they are called "Hail Marys" for a reason.

Actually he does. He seems to do a really good job of getting the ball high in the air and hitting the back of the endzone with it, that gives his wideouts the best possible chance of being able to go up and get them. A high angle pass aimed to plunge downward almost vertically at the back corner of the endzone is the best way to hit your man and not someone else's, since the defense will generally be trying to stand between your receivers and the ball, so a plunging ball aimed right for the back corner will hit where your receivers are standing at a high enough angle to make it tough for the defense to intercept it. After that it's just a question of your receivers winning the positional battles they're being paid to win. I've seen Rodgers throw a couple of those and he seems to have a good sense of how to get the ball where he wants it even with a throwing angle usually reserved for howitzer artillery.

No team should base offensive strategies around hail marys but if you have to do them, and you've got the arm, there is a way to do them right, and I would be STUNNED if the Patriots were not doing the occasional Hail Mary play drill in practice.

Why you guys keep harping on Rodgers is something I don't get. Brady and the Pats have won 5 superbowls, enough said. But every time they say something about Rodgers' greatness some of you get in a huff. Rodgers is a truly great QB.

Most of what I hear is this: Rodgers is arguably the most talented QB in the NFL skill-wise and he is besides a great QB in terms of decision-making and leading the team. Brady is likewise a very talented QB, not as much as Rodgers maybe, but his decision-making, his comfort with his game-plan are second to none. So what's the problem?

Basically you're finding ways of nit-picking at Rodgers without a clear and objective assessment of offensive strategy, personnel, the play of the defense, etc., in other words, without considering the whole team.

If the Packers had the Patriots' defense over the last 5 years rather than the sorry excuse they've put out there during that time, who knows what would have happened? But that's all speculation. Fact is, Brady has 5 SBs and Rodgers needs to win more SBs before he enters the "greatest" conversation.

And let's not compare Mike McCarthy to Bill Belichick. It ain't even close.

As a Packers fan I don't have a problem saying any of that.

ExpatPack said:

Why you guys keep harping on Rodgers is something I don't get. Brady and the Pats have won 5 superbowls, enough said. But every time they say something about Rodgers' greatness some of you get in a huff. Rodgers is a truly great QB.

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When someone attacks Brady even if it's a mild attack via comparison to another great, Brady fans are going to look to defend him. Packers fans are the same way with Rodgers.

ExpatPack said:

Most of what I hear is this: Rodgers is arguably the most talented QB in the NFL skill-wise and he is besides a great QB in terms of decision-making and leading the team. Brady is likewise a very talented QB, not as much as Rodgers maybe, but his decision-making, his comfort with his game-plan are second to none. So what's the problem?

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I hate this sort of breakdown (not your fault, it's the way people do it). "Skill" and "Athleticism" always come to track and field level physical stuff, and it's usually used when someone is trying to lessen another person in comparison, in ways that aren't critical to actually playing the position/sport.

Aaron Rodgers is not a more "skilled" quarterback than Brady. Aaron Rodgers is better at the track and field portion of quarterbacking than Brady. He runs faster, jumps higher and is quicker. Brady thinks faster and better (in terms of making the right call) and generally executes a correct play faster than Rodgers can.

ExpatPack said:

Basically you're finding ways of nit-picking at Rodgers without a clear and objective assessment of offensive strategy, personnel, the play of the defense, etc., in other words, without considering the whole team.

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You're trying too hard.

ExpatPack said:

If the Packers had the Patriots' defense over the last 5 years rather than the sorry excuse they've put out there during that time, who knows what would have happened? But that's all speculation.

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Defensive point allowed rankings:

Packers: 2011 - 2016
19/11/24/13/12/21

Patriots: 2011-2016
15/9/10/8/10/1

The difference is not as much as you seem to think, and Brady took that dumpster fire of a 2011 Patriots defense (stats far better looking than the sum of all the defensive parts) all the way to within 1:04 of winning the Super Bowl, even with Gronk being all but useless.

ExpatPack said:

Fact is, Brady has 5 SBs and Rodgers needs to win more SBs before he enters the "greatest" conversation.

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Fact is, Rodgers is a 2nd/3rd tier all timer, and doesn't belong anywhere near G.O.A.T. discussions, since he's not even the best Packers QB ever (Hello, Mr. Starr). There's no shame in that. Debating whether Rodgers or Favre is the second best Packers QB of all time is high praise, indeed, and more appropriate.

ExpatPack said:

And let's not compare Mike McCarthy to Bill Belichick. It ain't even close.

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Bill Belichick without Tom Brady wasn't as good as Mike McCarthy with Aaron Rodgers.

ExpatPack said:

As a Packers fan I don't have a problem saying any of that.

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As a Patriots fan, I have no problem saying Rodgers is the 3rd or 4th best QB of his era, behind Brady and Manning, and either just ahead of, or just behind, Brees, who consistently gets overlooked by almost everyone, including myself.

Deus Irae said:

I hate this sort of breakdown (not your fault, it's the way people do it). "Skill" and "Athleticism" always come to track and field level physical stuff, and it's usually used when someone is trying to lessen another person in comparison, in ways that aren't critical to actually playing the position/sport.



Aaron Rodgers is not a more "skilled" quarterback than Brady. Aaron Rodgers is better at the track and field portion of quarterbacking than Brady. He runs faster, jumps higher and is quicker. Brady thinks faster and better (in terms of making the right call) and generally executes a correct play faster than Rodgers can.

Rodgers' ability to escape the pocket and extend plays is not just "skill and athleticism" in some abstract sense. It is one of the things that makes him very hard to defend against. Brady can't do that, but he doesn't try to do that either. And whether Brady "executes the correct play faster than Rodgers can" assumes way too much to be taken at face value. It's plausible, but not a fact. Brady is a master at the playstyle he has developed, no doubt about it. Rodgers is more likely to try and extend plays when he doesn't see an open receiver.


Defensive point allowed rankings:

Packers: 2011 - 2016
19/11/24/13/12/21

Patriots: 2011-2016
15/9/10/8/10/1

The difference is not as much as you seem to think, and Brady took that dumpster fire of a 2011 Patriots defense (stats far better looking than the sum of all the defensive parts) all the way to within 1:04 of winning the Super Bowl, even with Gronk being all but useless.

That's actually a pretty clear advantage for the Patriots' defense. The only time the Packers had a high caliber defense was in 2010 when they won the SB.




As a Patriots fan, I have no problem saying Rodgers is the 3rd or 4th best QB of his era, behind Brady and Manning, and either just ahead of, or just behind, Brees, who consistently gets overlooked by almost everyone, including myself.

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Rodgers' career is far from over. His chances of overtaking Manning are quite possible, even likely barring injury or the Packers' organization screwing up royally. I agree about Brees btw.

PatsFanInVa said:

It's just offseason backlash talk for the sake of talking nonsense. Nobody on that set believes that Rodgers is on Brady's level.

@Patsfanken: Rodgers is a "great" NFL quarterback like I dunno, it's going too far to say no-ring Marino, because based on what he personally brought to his team, Marino wins that one hands down. I don't think he's on HGHton's level either, even before that miraculous comeback from the neck thing in close temporal proximity to his wife's need for nfl-banned substances. He can't even sniff Brady's accomplishments.

Maybe I'd give him a "very good?" I dunno. I think of "great" as one to three in a generation, and I think the present (almost past) generation lucked out with Brady, Manning, and maybe Brees. And perhaps every generation has a "GOAT" (since the passing game continues to be advantaged). So there was the Montanta/Marino/Elway era, and Montana was the GOAT and always would be until he wasn't. Rodgers right now? Maybe the stats don't back me up but I'm calling him Esiason, during that period (I'm doing this without googling.... I hope I did not mis-place the Esiason era.) Judging by what he's done so far, do you really call him great?

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Comparing Rodgers to Esiason is as much as a slight to Rodgers as comparing him to Brady is a slight to Brady.

Boomer Esiason Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Boomer had exactly three seasons that qualify as good, never mind great. His 81.1 passer rating is average, and his 57% completion percentage is bad.

For me, the comparison is simple, Aaron Rodgers is the Steve Young of the generation. The comparisons are plentiful.

• Both spent years backing up an all time great
• Both are a little younger than the greats of their eras
• Both are high efficiency passers and running QBs
• Both have won a title early in their years as a starter
• Both have led a team into perennial contention and "almost there" status
• Both have had a stretch of statistically dominant seasons

I don't think anyone would doubt that Young was great, but for most he doesn't stack up when compared with Marino, Montana or Elway. Likewise, Rodgers is great, but won't stack up when compared with Brady, Brees and Manning.

Once Brady and Brees retire, Rodgers, should he stay healthy, will rightly be regarded as the greatest active QB for a brief period, until someone from the Luck/Wilson/Newton/Winston/Marriota/Garoppolo club takes the torch.

well...at least Rodgers will always have "Discount Double Dork!" going for him...

Brady can: Impregnate celebrities on contact. Rodgers .....fail

Simpelton said:

Actually he does. He seems to do a really good job of getting the ball high in the air and hitting the back of the endzone with it, that gives his wideouts the best possible chance of being able to go up and get them. A high angle pass aimed to plunge downward almost vertically at the back corner of the endzone is the best way to hit your man and not someone else's, since the defense will generally be trying to stand between your receivers and the ball, so a plunging ball aimed right for the back corner will hit where your receivers are standing at a high enough angle to make it tough for the defense to intercept it. After that it's just a question of your receivers winning the positional battles they're being paid to win. I've seen Rodgers throw a couple of those and he seems to have a good sense of how to get the ball where he wants it even with a throwing angle usually reserved for howitzer artillery.

No team should base offensive strategies around hail marys but if you have to do them, and you've got the arm, there is a way to do them right, and I would be STUNNED if the Patriots were not doing the occasional Hail Mary play drill in practice.

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I don't buy it, he has made 2 or 3 but its 95% luck.

borg said:

Brady can: Impregnate celebrities on contact. Rodgers .....fail

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I am pretty sure even if Rodgers has a questionable.. well nots go there but I am sure he is quite capable of impregnating a celebrity.

Olivia Munn seems like an evil douche bag. I could be wrong though its just a gut feeling.

Joker said:

well...at least Rodgers will always have "Discount Double Dork!" going for him...

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I"m so glad they don't show that **** anymore, soooooo glad.

What can brady do that dan marino couldnt do? Win five championships. Wtf are these dolts talking about. If matthew stafford won 7 championships who the **** cares what he can or cannot do. In football rings matter. What seperates peyton manning and tom brady is winning in the post season and rings. This is a ****ing joke. If joe montana never won championship no one would have referred to him as the goat. This has got to be a joke

Bledsoehasaring said:

What can brady do that dan marino couldnt do? Win five championships. Wtf are these dolts talking about. If matthew stafford won 7 championships who the **** cares what he can or cannot do. In football rings matter. What seperates peyton manning and tom brady is winning in the post season and rings. This is a ****ing joke. If joe montana never won championship no one would have referred to him as the goat. This has got to be a joke

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Pretty much agree. Brady is the greatest QB of modern era football because he's been the QB who helped the Pats win 5 SBs. Whether there are more talented QBs than Brady is a totally separate question. Heck, we have no idea how Philip Rivers would have done if he played on a great team all these years instead of the sorry Chargers. But it doesn't matter. And I'm not saying that Brady was just there along for the ride. He was instrumental in winning those 5 SBs.

In GOAT "greatest" doesn't mean most gifted, talented etc. etc.