What can Brady do that Rodgers can't...FS1.

Deus Irae said:

Brady has the fastest release time in the NFL.

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That's just a half-truth, according to CBS sports, as of 2015.

Fastest release time ever in the NFL. Well, "ever" is only back to 2011...

Tom Brady is NFL's quickest draw and it's paying off for the 3-0 Patriots

Deus Irae said:

Brady has the fastest release time in the NFL.

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Brady tends to get rid of the football more quickly than any other QB, but as far as the actual throwing motion itself, Aaron Rogers is significantly faster. Jimmy G has a faster release than Brady as well.

Galeb said:

Brady tends to get rid of the football more quickly than any other QB, but as far as the actual throwing motion itself, Aaron Rogers is significantly faster. Jimmy G has a faster release than Brady as well.

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Jimmy has a faster release than Brady? I hadn't heard that before. From most of the research (i.e. PFF), I could only find data on "time to throw" not actual release. And the time to throw data supports your first sentence than Brady gets rid of it as fast as anyone.
That is useful info on Jimmy, though from all the games I have seen, I will still take Brady over Jimmy all day every day for 2017.


Edit: Apparently Bucky Brooks at NFL.com agrees with the quicker release (I am not sure it is faster, but Jimmy does have a good release).

3 things Jimmy Garoppolo does better than Tom Brady

heavyde050 said:

Jimmy has a faster release than Brady? I hadn't heard that before. From most of the research (i.e. PFF), I could only find data on "time to throw" not actual release. And the time to throw data supports your first sentence than Brady gets rid of it as fast as anyone.
That is useful info on Jimmy, though from all the games I have seen, I will still take Brady over Jimmy all day every day for 2017.


Edit: Apparently Bucky Brooks at NFL.com agrees with the quicker release (I am not sure it is faster, but Jimmy does have a good release).

3 things Jimmy Garoppolo does better than Tom Brady

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Brady does have a quick, high release with a motion that focuses on limiting wear and tear of the arm. His accuracy, zip, presnap work and quick processing are huge factors into how he gets rid of the ball so fast. Jimmy has a fast release, but it still too low IMO. Roger's release can be a little low at times too. Combined with his other skills, I'll take Brady's release given it's height and focus on longevity combined with those other factors every time.

Galeb said:

Brady tends to get rid of the football more quickly than any other QB, but as far as the actual throwing motion itself, Aaron Rogers is significantly faster. Jimmy G has a faster release than Brady as well.

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Link?

heavyde050 said:

Jimmy has a faster release than Brady? I hadn't heard that before. From most of the research (i.e. PFF), I could only find data on "time to throw" not actual release. And the time to throw data supports your first sentence than Brady gets rid of it as fast as anyone.
That is useful info on Jimmy, though from all the games I have seen, I will still take Brady over Jimmy all day every day for 2017.


Edit: Apparently Bucky Brooks at NFL.com agrees with the quicker release (I am not sure it is faster, but Jimmy does have a good release).

3 things Jimmy Garoppolo does better than Tom Brady

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Bucky Brooks gets everything wrong. If he'd said Brady, I'd be worried that Brady was among the slowest in the league.

Deus Irae said:

Link?

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Youtube highlights of each, it's very clear.

Galeb said:

Youtube highlights of each, it's very clear.

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Youtube highlights are meaningless for this. So, basically, you were opining, which is fine, but the specific opinion is useless in this discussion.

Deus Irae said:

Youtube highlights are meaningless for this. So, basically, you were opining, which is fine, but the specific opinion is useless in this discussion.

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Well, it is the opinion of one whose visual processing is high enough to show an obvious difference in the speed of each QBs throwing motion. Unless you never watch Green Bay games, then you either don't pay much attention to QB mechanics or your visual processing is insufficient to make such a determination. It is plain as day to anyone with an eye for it.

Galeb said:

Well, it is the opinion of one whose visual processing is high enough to show an obvious difference in the speed of each QBs throwing motion. Unless you never watch Green Bay games, then you either don't pay much attention to QB mechanics or your visual processing is insufficient to make such a determination. It is plain as day to anyone with an eye for it.

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I watch the games, as you are well aware. You stated an opinion. That's fine. It's just meaningless when it comes to the discussion.

Jimmy G was touted for his lightning-fast release (in terms of mechanics).

Of course, the better metric is time from touching the ball to throwing the damn thing. It's nice that your arm moves fast, but if your mind doesn't match, well... I guess it's helpful to have some wheels

When is it that we were "on to Cincinnatti" because somebody kicked the crap out of us? I remember thinking "Line play or Brady play?" during that stretch. Obviously there was some of both. There were all these chicken littles ready to put Brady out to pasture, you guys remember that?

It seemed that he settled in to play with the line he had perhaps not the line he wanted. They just needed to grow some "Scar" tissue... but at the same time, it seemed like Brady stepped up his game (personally)... I think I read something about him working on getting rid of the ball faster, possibly before that little stretch, possibly in the offseason after.

Maybe just media blah blah... He seems totally aware that he's the GOAT, and he also seems totally bent on getting better... just because he's 40's no reason not to...

I think Brady really is in to all this body improvement stuff. He wants to play until he is 45+ to prove a point and help his business.

randomk1 said:

Uh Rodgers is so overrated. He's entering Peyton Manning territory as a playoff QB.

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At least Peyton managed to taste 4 dances. Rodgers has 1 ring,

bormio said:

I think Brady really is in to all this body improvement stuff. He wants to play until he is 45+ to prove a point and help his business.

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He just upped this recently to 65 or maybe 75.
Pats need to groom his sons (Wait! they're too old) or Garapollo's future kids as their replacement QB.

Too many good reasons have been given that settles the argument IMO.

His ability to mind meld with players and deliver subtle play changes as he figures out the defense are some of my favorite plays.

His amazing memory retention was praised by Belichick as Brady knew were all 11 defenders were on the field.

As posters mentioned the ability to elevate average talent and gain the respect of his teammates as every new Patriot tells the story of being amazed the Brady is treated like everyone else.

I would love to see a book that had 20 Pats WR each given a chapter to tell their best Brady stories.

pazrul72 said:

Read defenses and shift protection flawlessly at a 95%+ rate, not be a stat whore and unselfishly do whatever it takes (LGB 18 TD's) for the TEAM to win, not fold under pressure and lead the team from behind in the 4th quarter. Next?

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That is it exactly.

heavyde050 said:

Jimmy has a faster release than Brady? I hadn't heard that before. From most of the research (i.e. PFF), I could only find data on "time to throw" not actual release. And the time to throw data supports your first sentence than Brady gets rid of it as fast as anyone.
That is useful info on Jimmy, though from all the games I have seen, I will still take Brady over Jimmy all day every day for 2017.


Edit: Apparently Bucky Brooks at NFL.com agrees with the quicker release (I am not sure it is faster, but Jimmy does have a good release).

3 things Jimmy Garoppolo does better than Tom Brady

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The thing with Brady is that he has a quick release, but what he's really faster at than any other quarterback in the game is reading the field and making decisions. He thinks so quickly that he can start his release before other quarterbacks are even through scanning the field, so even if his motion is only pretty quick rather than legendarily quick, the ball is still out of his hands fewer seconds after the snap than anyone else.

I have posted this before and I am posting again. As good as Rodgers' physical skills are he doesn't have the mental toughness or poise as Brady. That's what separates them. You take our one or two of his best WRs and their offense collapses. Not the case with Brady. Brady may still lose the game, but you can tell they fought till the end.

As for the hail mary passes that Rodgers is so famous for, I give him all the credit it the world to throw the ball that far so his receivers can reach the end zone and catch them. But I would credit the receivers for jumping up and making a contested catch. For some reason I have never heard a commentators credit the receiver making the catch on these hail mary passes.

Also, Rodgers has never known to bring his team back from a deficit to win games and has struggled in playoff games.

Galeb said:

Well, it is the opinion of one whose visual processing is high enough to show an obvious difference in the speed of each QBs throwing motion. Unless you never watch Green Bay games, then you either don't pay much attention to QB mechanics or your visual processing is insufficient to make such a determination. It is plain as day to anyone with an eye for it.

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I don't know who has a faster release when both are standing straight up in the pocket and driving into the throw. Rodgers can throw more accurately when not in an ideal position - that is, when either backpedaling, standing still, or on the run.

And Brady compensates by making decisions so quickly he doesn't need to make off balance throws.