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He faced the formidable strength and conditioning programs at the Missouri Valley Football Conference, which I might remind you includes not only THE Youngstown State University Penguins but also The South Dakota State University Jackrabbits, the University of South Dakota Coyotes, and the Indiana State University Sycamores.

Sure, the conference isn't much. But don't forget: the Youngstown State coach is Bo Pelini. Rivers had demanding coaching and a serious conditioning program (and made it to the FCS championship game).
 
Anyone have a way of looking up his qb pressures?

That was one stat from Flowers that stuck out to me. I believe he was 2nd in the nation his senior year.
Don't have the stats, but I do believe he was right up there with Trey Hendrickson in regards to pressure.
 
Don't know anything about the guy, but on paper, everything about him sounds great. Obviously needs to add a few more lbs of muscle.
Considering this was probably the biggest hole on the Pats roster, he could get more pt than any rook we've had in years. Excited to see what he can do and how he develops over the course of the season.
 
Inside the Patriots Draft Room: Round 3

Something I found interesting (maybe I'm looking too far into it):

BB: "So what do we want to do?"

Caserio: "I think we should take Rivers"

BB: "Alright, call em"

Caserio's turned down a GM job to stay. I wonder if he's been given more responsibility recently.
 
Inside the Patriots Draft Room: Round 3

Something I found interesting (maybe I'm looking too far into it):

BB: "So what do we want to do?"

Caserio: "I think we should take Rivers"

BB: "Alright, call em"

Caserio's turned down a GM job to stay. I wonder if he's been given more responsibility recently.


Short clip . tells a lot . BBs presence is just amazing . no wonder nobody wants to leave.

Like Lombardi says, he's not married to any of the prospects. Anybody who's on their 50-75 list is good enough for him to work with. And work is actually all that matters to him at this point. You want Rivers? Call Rivers. Popovich is hot on Garcia? Ok, we can trade up for Garcia then..

I guess all the staff gets a lot of trust from him. He gives them the best and safest environment based on clear rules and culture . and then sets them free.. (you see how eager and passionate is Caserio and Bill just nods, of course)

I had a chance to work in this way and its the best feeling . having opportunity and freedom to work for the best in the field upon your beliefs, visions and desires . while having someone unassumingly watching over you..
 
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Inside the Patriots Draft Room: Round 3

Something I found interesting (maybe I'm looking too far into it):

BB: "So what do we want to do?"

Caserio: "I think we should take Rivers"

BB: "Alright, call em"

Caserio's turned down a GM job to stay. I wonder if he's been given more responsibility recently.

I think Caserio is the real heir to Beluchick. I have never believed Belichick will kick himself upstsirs, when he is done he's done, and Caserio will take over football operations and choose the next coach.
 
It's fun looking at Rivers' numbers compared to others. For example, compared to 1st round pick Tak McKinley, Rivers was the same weight but 2 inches taller. He had a 2" longer VJ, 1" longer BJ, 30 reps compared to McKinley's 24. 3 cone was way in Rivers advantage, 6.94 to 7.48 and Shuttle also was, 4.40 to 4.62. 1st round vs. 3rd round.

The one big concern is Rivers' short arms, at 32 3/4".
 
It's fun looking at Rivers' numbers compared to others. For example, compared to 1st round pick Tak McKinley, Rivers was the same weight but 2 inches taller. He had a 2" longer VJ, 1" longer BJ, 30 reps compared to McKinley's 24. 3 cone was way in Rivers advantage, 6.94 to 7.48 and Shuttle also was, 4.40 to 4.62. 1st round vs. 3rd round.

The one big concern is Rivers' short arms, at 32 3/4".

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While his arms are shorter than average, he has very good combat skills overall. There have been plenty of productive players recently with shorter arms than Rivers:

Markus Golden DE Missouri, 2015 31⅛"
Vic Beasley DE Clemson, 2015 32½"
Yannick Ngakoue DE Maryland, 2016 32½"
Everson Griffen DE USC, 2010 32⅝"
Bud Dupree DE Kentucky, 2015 32⅝"
Vinny Curry DE Marshall, 2012 32¾"
 
Sure, the conference isn't much. But don't forget: the Youngstown State coach is Bo Pelini. Rivers had demanding coaching and a serious conditioning program (and made it to the FCS championship game).
I could never play for a coach like Bo Pelini. I would knock his teeth down his throat.
 
The one big concern is Rivers' short arms, at 32 3/4".

I heard the Patriots training room just ordered one of these:

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I think the other reason that the Pats' top guys -- Caserio, Patricia, McDaniels -- stick around long after they could have had fancier titles elsewhere is that Kraft opens up the checkbook for them. Those salaries don't count against any cap, and go unpublished, but I'd be surprised if they're not at approximately the same level as head coaches and GMs elsewhere (with some exceptions).

People talk about Kraft being cheap, but I don't believe he is. And I think paying those guys to stay longer than they otherwise might is one of the reasons for the team's success.
 
I think the other reason that the Pats' top guys -- Caserio, Patricia, McDaniels -- stick around long after they could have had fancier titles elsewhere is that Kraft opens up the checkbook for them. Those salaries don't count against any cap, and go unpublished, but I'd be surprised if they're not at approximately the same level as head coaches and GMs elsewhere (with some exceptions).

Well, i think these guys realize what they have here - a championship culture that cannot be replicated elsewhere. They want to stay as long as possible and enjoy it while they can.
 
For a guy with short arms putting up 30 reps in the bench press's impressive. 255 without losing the speed would be nice.
 
I think Caserio is the real heir to Beluchick. I have never believed Belichick will kick himself upstsirs, when he is done he's done, and Caserio will take over football operations and choose the next coach.
Kraft will pick the next coach and GM. Would not be surprised if it's Caserio in the FO and Josh McD on the field.
 
Arm length is desirable but not essential. It depends on the other traits you possess and employ to keep the Offensive linemen off you.

Our 2 Defensive line draftees being a case in point. Although Wise Jr has vines for arms, he does not always know how to use them to his advantage (although he was playing with a hurt shoulder which may have affected his technique) and Rivers can win with speed and agility.

I guess if you are spending a 1st round pick on a defensive end, they should have all the measurables, traits and production to feel comfortable in projecting the success of the selection but the further you go down the draft, you can make allowances for certain areas where the prospect falls short as long as it is clear that they can demonstrate they can overcome their limitation(s). As far as Rivers is concerned, his production and Senior Bowl performance shows he can still win.
 
I watched the WV clip. WV was 10-3 last season so they were a good division 1 club. Youngstown played them very tough, especially in the first half, and it was 21-31 in the middle of the 4th, and most of WV's offense came on long passes.

On Rivers specifically.

1. He's definitely a quick twitch athlete who can explode off the ball

2. That being said, most of the time he played a read technique on his OT.

3. I don't know who the WVU OT was, or if he was any good, but Rivers was never knocked off the LOS in any run play. He was consistantly lower than the OT and controlled him with his arms locked out, never letting the OT into his body, and this is a guy who clearly outweighed him by 50 or 60 lbs.

4. He had 4 QB hits in the first half, and 2 should have been sacks. And this was against a successful DI team's starting RT. In the 2nd half he wasn't as productive, but rarely had a chance to simply rush the passer.

5. On the negative side, twice in the 2nd half he was looking around when the ball was snapped.

Overall I was impressed. For a guy as light as he is, playing a straight 4-3 DE against a RT showed great functional strength and technique. Interesting that Polini never just let him loose to rush the passer in that game.

The Pats teach a similar read technique as their base defense, so Rivers should be familiar with it.

Short term I see River's best use would be as a situational pass rusher from the DE or OLB position. I'd love to just see him let loose, like Miller is in Denver, but that likely isn't going to happen. Long term he might get moved to OLB in the old Jamie Collins role, but I'm not sure. It will depend on his cover skills.

Loved the comparison of Mickinely and Rivers.
 
I watched the WV clip. WV was 10-3 last season so they were a good division 1 club. Youngstown played them very tough, especially in the first half, and it was 21-31 in the middle of the 4th, and most of WV's offense came on long passes.

On Rivers specifically.

1. He's definitely a quick twitch athlete who can explode off the ball

2. That being said, most of the time he played a read technique on his OT.

3. I don't know who the WVU OT was, or if he was any good, but Rivers was never knocked off the LOS in any run play. He was consistantly lower than the OT and controlled him with his arms locked out, never letting the OT into his body, and this is a guy who clearly outweighed him by 50 or 60 lbs.

4. He had 4 QB hits in the first half, and 2 should have been sacks. And this was against a successful DI team's starting RT. In the 2nd half he wasn't as productive, but rarely had a chance to simply rush the passer.

5. On the negative side, twice in the 2nd half he was looking around when the ball was snapped.

Overall I was impressed. For a guy as light as he is, playing a straight 4-3 DE against a RT showed great functional strength and technique. Interesting that Polini never just let him loose to rush the passer in that game.

The Pats teach a similar read technique as their base defense, so Rivers should be familiar with it.

Short term I see River's best use would be as a situational pass rusher from the DE or OLB position. I'd love to just see him let loose, like Miller is in Denver, but that likely isn't going to happen. Long term he might get moved to OLB in the old Jamie Collins role, but I'm not sure. It will depend on his cover skills.

Loved the comparison of Mickinely and Rivers.

I can see him being a double digit sack guy.
I know he played in a small school but this guy's legit. If he can just add a couple of more pounds. I am just happy we finally have some depth. I think he will play right away and get some snaps.

I know what the offense will do but this defense should be even better in 2017
 
I watched the WV clip. WV was 10-3 last season so they were a good division 1 club. Youngstown played them very tough, especially in the first half, and it was 21-31 in the middle of the 4th, and most of WV's offense came on long passes.

On Rivers specifically.

1. He's definitely a quick twitch athlete who can explode off the ball

2. That being said, most of the time he played a read technique on his OT.

3. I don't know who the WVU OT was, or if he was any good, but Rivers was never knocked off the LOS in any run play. He was consistantly lower than the OT and controlled him with his arms locked out, never letting the OT into his body, and this is a guy who clearly outweighed him by 50 or 60 lbs.

4. He had 4 QB hits in the first half, and 2 should have been sacks. And this was against a successful DI team's starting RT. In the 2nd half he wasn't as productive, but rarely had a chance to simply rush the passer.

5. On the negative side, twice in the 2nd half he was looking around when the ball was snapped.

Overall I was impressed. For a guy as light as he is, playing a straight 4-3 DE against a RT showed great functional strength and technique. Interesting that Polini never just let him loose to rush the passer in that game.

The Pats teach a similar read technique as their base defense, so Rivers should be familiar with it.

Short term I see River's best use would be as a situational pass rusher from the DE or OLB position. I'd love to just see him let loose, like Miller is in Denver, but that likely isn't going to happen. Long term he might get moved to OLB in the old Jamie Collins role, but I'm not sure. It will depend on his cover skills.

Loved the comparison of Mickinely and Rivers.

Mckinley? The cursing sailor?
 
Not Takk?

He forgets he has arms sometimes LOL?

Obviously talking about first step. Both have 2 of the best in the class.
 
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