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Just to add a final thought to the saga of JAG trade speculation... no one has mentioned the fact that maybe BB just didn't assign a high value to the #12 draft pick.

He's said in the past, and Caserio has said it too, when you trade up, especially that early in the 1st round, you are moving for a specific player.

Supposing the Browns offered #12, #33 and a 1st in 2018... well the largest portion of the compensation package is whatever player we pick at #12. Looking at the draft board now, who was sitting there waiting for the Pats... the missing link that makes it okay to give up a valuable backup QB?

Belichick, famously, spent a lot of personal time scouting Derek Barnett the DE from Tennessee, who went to the Eagles at #14. People said not to make too much of it... that BB's just doing due diligence. Yeah: due diligence so he could decide what value to assign to the #12 pick.

I choose to believe if BB thought Barnett could be his new Jerod Mayo, a future defensive captain alongside Hightower and McCourty, a strong Cleveland's offer with #12 as the featured piece might have been enough. Certainly, more tempting than the cold shoulder that Cleveland has been getting. So, apparently not.

Scanning who else might have been appealing for BB at #12... Jonathan Allen, OJ Howard, Garrett Boles? Gotta say, I don't have any regrets losing those prospects to other teams. Rivers and Garcia in the 3rd round seems like the real value, and Jake Butt is still on the board after Day Two. The 53-man really doesn't have room for many rookie starters other than OG, DE and LB.

BB is just way ahead of us in terms of his information, talent evaluation and understanding of value. If he trades JAG for a player at #12 who can't crack the starting rotation, plus two future picks that only knock good players like Malcom Mitchell or Jonathan Jones off the depth chart, where's the benefit of that? Better to keep him for another year, and kick the can down the road a bit further.

BB has been decidedly and strategically using his draft capital to acquire veteran players this year, and despite opportunities to get back into the first round, has (deliberately) avoided doing so.

His assessment of the draft class certainly has bearing on his approach with JAG/Browns and Butler/Saints, not to mention Cooks, Allen, Ealy, Gilleslee. I think he deliberately opted out of the top of the 2017 Draft.
 
Except him saying he wants to play til he is 45 and the fact he is an ultimate competitor and thrives on competition and that he said he defies his wife's wishes and continues to play. So basically if you ignore the mountain of evidence that Brady will likely play until he is forced to retire, you are right there is no evidence.

Mountain of evidence ..... If you believe everything everyone tells you

He defies his wife .... even better
 
Just to add a final thought to the saga of JAG trade speculation... no one has mentioned the fact that maybe BB just didn't assign a high value to the #12 draft pick.

He's said in the past, and Caserio has said it too, when you trade up, especially that early in the 1st round, you are moving for a specific player.

Supposing the Browns offered #12, #33 and a 1st in 2018... well the largest portion of the compensation package is whatever player we pick at #12. Looking at the draft board now, who was sitting there waiting for the Pats... the missing link that makes it okay to give up a valuable backup QB?

Belichick, famously, spent a lot of personal time scouting Derek Barnett the DE from Tennessee, who went to the Eagles at #14. People said not to make too much of it... that BB's just doing due diligence. Yeah: due diligence so he could decide what value to assign to the #12 pick.

I choose to believe if BB thought Barnett could be his new Jerod Mayo, a future defensive captain alongside Hightower and McCourty, a strong Cleveland's offer with #12 as the featured piece might have been enough. Certainly, more tempting than the cold shoulder that Cleveland has been getting. So, apparently not.

Scanning who else might have been appealing for BB at #12... Jonathan Allen, OJ Howard, Garrett Boles? Gotta say, I don't have any regrets losing those prospects to other teams. Rivers and Garcia in the 3rd round seems like the real value, and Jake Butt is still on the board after Day Two. The 53-man really doesn't have room for many rookie starters other than OG, DE and LB.

BB is just way ahead of us in terms of his information, talent evaluation and understanding of value. If he trades JAG for a player at #12 who can't crack the starting rotation, plus two future picks that only knock good players like Malcom Mitchell or Jonathan Jones off the depth chart, where's the benefit of that? Better to keep him for another year, and kick the can down the road a bit further.

BB has been decidedly and strategically using his draft capital to acquire veteran players this year, and despite opportunities to get back into the first round, has (deliberately) avoided doing so.

His assessment of the draft class certainly has bearing on his approach with JAG/Browns and Butler/Saints, not to mention Cooks, Allen, Ealy, Gilleslee. I think he deliberately opted out of the top of the 2017 Draft.


All we know is that teams scrambled to draft QBs all of which were labeled projects a month ago

Either this draft reeks of busts or the front office sees more value in jg either next year or they know something about the future none of us even @Rob0729 doesnt know ( even though he thinks he does )
 
Just to add a final thought to the saga of JAG trade speculation... no one has mentioned the fact that maybe BB just didn't assign a high value to the #12 draft pick.

He's said in the past, and Caserio has said it too, when you trade up, especially that early in the 1st round, you are moving for a specific player.

Supposing the Browns offered #12, #33 and a 1st in 2018... well the largest portion of the compensation package is whatever player we pick at #12. Looking at the draft board now, who was sitting there waiting for the Pats... the missing link that makes it okay to give up a valuable backup QB?

Belichick, famously, spent a lot of personal time scouting Derek Barnett the DE from Tennessee, who went to the Eagles at #14. People said not to make too much of it... that BB's just doing due diligence. Yeah: due diligence so he could decide what value to assign to the #12 pick.

I choose to believe if BB thought Barnett could be his new Jerod Mayo, a future defensive captain alongside Hightower and McCourty, a strong Cleveland's offer with #12 as the featured piece might have been enough. Certainly, more tempting than the cold shoulder that Cleveland has been getting. So, apparently not.

Scanning who else might have been appealing for BB at #12... Jonathan Allen, OJ Howard, Garrett Boles? Gotta say, I don't have any regrets losing those prospects to other teams. Rivers and Garcia in the 3rd round seems like the real value, and Jake Butt is still on the board after Day Two. The 53-man really doesn't have room for many rookie starters other than OG, DE and LB.

BB is just way ahead of us in terms of his information, talent evaluation and understanding of value. If he trades JAG for a player at #12 who can't crack the starting rotation, plus two future picks that only knock good players like Malcom Mitchell or Jonathan Jones off the depth chart, where's the benefit of that? Better to keep him for another year, and kick the can down the road a bit further.

BB has been decidedly and strategically using his draft capital to acquire veteran players this year, and despite opportunities to get back into the first round, has (deliberately) avoided doing so.

His assessment of the draft class certainly has bearing on his approach with JAG/Browns and Butler/Saints, not to mention Cooks, Allen, Ealy, Gilleslee. I think he deliberately opted out of the top of the 2017 Draft.

Yep. Like Lombardi said.. a draft pick is something incredibly overrated until you can actually assign a name to that pick. Just because they get labeled via this arbitrary round system doesn't mean that a player at #28 is substantially better than a player at #46.

I still remember a moron here arguing that the Pats gave up too much when they traded for Ealy because they gave up a second round pick and got a third round pick back in return.

To get back to your post, the other reason to scout picks that are out of range is because you might be able to trade for them on the cheap in 2-3 years.

Thanks for your post.. it is a breath of fresh air in a giant moronic garbage dump of conspiracy theories and idiotic projections.
 
Except him saying he wants to play til he is 45 and the fact he is an ultimate competitor and thrives on competition and that he said he defies his wife's wishes and continues to play. So basically if you ignore the mountain of evidence that Brady will likely play until he is forced to retire, you are right there is no evidence.

Don't always agree with you but I don't see how others can come to a different conclusion if they know Brady at all. It's insane to think that he will stop just because he got another ring or broke some record. He will do this until he physically can't perform at a satisfying level anymore. He ****ing loves the game.
 
Just to add a final thought to the saga of JAG trade speculation... no one has mentioned the fact that maybe BB just didn't assign a high value to the #12 draft pick.

He's said in the past, and Caserio has said it too, when you trade up, especially that early in the 1st round, you are moving for a specific player.

Supposing the Browns offered #12, #33 and a 1st in 2018... well the largest portion of the compensation package is whatever player we pick at #12. Looking at the draft board now, who was sitting there waiting for the Pats... the missing link that makes it okay to give up a valuable backup QB?

Belichick, famously, spent a lot of personal time scouting Derek Barnett the DE from Tennessee, who went to the Eagles at #14. People said not to make too much of it... that BB's just doing due diligence. Yeah: due diligence so he could decide what value to assign to the #12 pick.

I choose to believe if BB thought Barnett could be his new Jerod Mayo, a future defensive captain alongside Hightower and McCourty, a strong Cleveland's offer with #12 as the featured piece might have been enough. Certainly, more tempting than the cold shoulder that Cleveland has been getting. So, apparently not.

Scanning who else might have been appealing for BB at #12... Jonathan Allen, OJ Howard, Garrett Boles? Gotta say, I don't have any regrets losing those prospects to other teams. Rivers and Garcia in the 3rd round seems like the real value, and Jake Butt is still on the board after Day Two. The 53-man really doesn't have room for many rookie starters other than OG, DE and LB.

BB is just way ahead of us in terms of his information, talent evaluation and understanding of value. If he trades JAG for a player at #12 who can't crack the starting rotation, plus two future picks that only knock good players like Malcom Mitchell or Jonathan Jones off the depth chart, where's the benefit of that? Better to keep him for another year, and kick the can down the road a bit further.

BB has been decidedly and strategically using his draft capital to acquire veteran players this year, and despite opportunities to get back into the first round, has (deliberately) avoided doing so.

His assessment of the draft class certainly has bearing on his approach with JAG/Browns and Butler/Saints, not to mention Cooks, Allen, Ealy, Gilleslee. I think he deliberately opted out of the top of the 2017 Draft.

Great post, right on the money. Belichick is also in record in War Room that he requires his scouts to specifically tell him which player(s) the prospect would beat out given the chance, and if they can't name them then they aren't getting drafted, with the caveat that Belichick sees it the same way. This may well be a strong draft but not in the areas where NE is in need. If you are using a first or second you expect them to contribute early and often, so he f he can get u sure thing star like Cooks with your #32 then you do it. There's the risk of losing him in three years, if you tag him, but the production will be off the charts. You aren't getting that kind of guarantee with anyone else at that spot. I think Belichick did incredibly well with his draft capitol and the payoff will be huge.
 
I'm sure the real reason for not trading Jimmy to the Browns will eventually become apparent, but along with all of the other reasons speculated, I think it is possible that the Browns had gotten into such a hoarding mindset, with some of the draft capital that they were able to acquire over the past year, that they couldn't shift gears and spend some without feeling they had gotten another steal.

In other words, they were trying to cheap out and get another steal by getting Jimmy for less than BB valued him at.

Hey Cleveland, Jamie Collins and Jimmy Garopollo are apples and oranges.
 
I'm sure the real reason for not trading Jimmy to the Browns will eventually become apparent, but along with all of the other reasons speculated, I think it is possible that the Browns had gotten into such a hoarding mindset, with some of the draft capital that they were able to acquire over the past year, that they couldn't shift gears and spend some without feeling they had gotten another steal.

In other words, they were trying to cheap out and get another steal by getting Jimmy for less than BB valued him at.

Hey Cleveland, Jamie Collins and Jimmy Garopollo are apples and oranges.

A year ago this time, you might have said the same thing and meant the opposite.
 
I heard on the radio that the Patriots wanted 3 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks for JG. lol.. That is either wrong or the Patriots are just not serious about trading him.

Either way though this non move is monumental and clearly is the biggest story.
 
He will be franchised after next season and it will be an expensive one. Idk how mad he will be since it will be over 20 plus
 
He will be franchised after next season and it will be an expensive one. Idk how mad he will be since it will be over 20 plus
I'm sure he'll be very mad to go from a backup QB making peanuts to the highest paid player in the entire NFL. My heart breaks for him.
 
Yip. The non trade does tell it's own story. The intrigue of it all.
 
Another theory is that Bill didn't feel the need for a first this year but would rather have them next year. Cleveland offers their 1st and 2nd this year and Bill says F off. Cleveland sleeps on it last night and is even more freaked out today, they call Bill and offer TWO 1st's next year and one or two 2nd's. Bill says "throw in a 2nd this year and you have a deal", Cleveland bites, Bill wins.

I like this post.

Assuming Cleveland wins 2-6 games this year, they'll be picking in the top 10 again in 2018, and there are a handful of real QB prospects you'll be able to get there, unlike this year.

That said, I think Belichick just wants to keep the player, which has been my gut feeling all along.
 
That isn't quite accurate. Brady was limited with a knee injury for several games.
lol!!!

He was nowhere near as limited as Garoppolo was weeks 3 & 4, was he?
 
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