Reports: Browns reached out last night about Garoppolo, were told no. Will make another offer today

GodBrady said:

It's completely true.

Favre had arguably the best year of his career in 2009 (33 TD, 7 INT, 107.2 passer rating). The next year he missed 3 games (the first time since 1992) and had 11 TD, 19 INT, and a 69.9 passer rating in 2010. He retired.

After his neck injury, Manning had arguably (2004 was maybe better) the best year of his career in 2013 (NFL-record 55 TD, 10 INT, 115.1 passer rating) en route to the Broncos setting the NFL record for most points in a season. He followed it up with a very strong year in 2014 (39 TD, 15 INT, 101.5 passer rating). In 2015, he dropped to 9 TD, 17 INT, and a 67.9 passer rating. He retired.

Those were all dominant seasons followed by catastrophic dropoffs in performance. I don't know how you can spin that any other way. These were not gradual declines.

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First, you cannot compare Brady and Manning. Manning was in his mid 30s when he got injured and missed the season. He already had several neck surgeries at that point. By the time he fell off with the Broncos, he has already had experimental surgery in Germany to repair his neck and couldn't feel his fingers on his throwing hand on cold days.

Second, I think Favre's "will he or won't he" offseasons where he went home to Mississippi and worked out alone at a high school football field deciding if he would retire or not hurt him. Favre was never a big offseason conditioning person. He worked out, but his offseason conditioning was never all that.

Third, Favre relied on his physical skills over his mental skills. He was a gunslinger. He was not a precision QB like Brady. Once his cannon of an arm was gone, so was his career. Brady doesn't need to rely on a cannon of an arm.

Rob0729 said:

Brady has said he wants to play until Garoppolo is 45. It is well known that Brady is a fierce competitor whether it is football or dominoes in the locker room. The guy is constantly talking about how young he feels and how hard he works to be in better shape at 40 than he was at 30.

The guy lives for football. He isn't walking away from football until football walks away from him.

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It's more likely Brady will always say he's all in for 10 years until he just walks one day

IllegalContact said:

It's more likely Brady will always say he's all in for 10 years until he just walks one day

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I am sure in three to four years, he might just walk away. There is no way he will walk away after this season unless his skills decline significantly whether he has another ring or not.

I have a suspicion that however many high draft picks the Browns get/use/trade, they're still going to suck. Screw Cleveland. Garoppolo's too good for them.

Ross12 said:

Others have said it before, but it could also have something to do with BB just not being fully sure of Brissett as the backup QB, and he wants to get a look at him in camp before he is comfortable moving Jimmy. Perhaps Bill felt that he would rather keep Jimmy around a little while longer just in case Brissett is not up-to-snuff and not be caught with his pants down if he moved Jimmy too soon. If Brissett is deemed to be good enough, Jimmy can still be traded to Cleveland, albeit for probably a little less of a "haul" and for picks next year vs. this year. But, this team is stacked already, so most of those picks would've probably been with next year in mind, anyway.

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No. BB doesn't need to "learn more about Brissett's progress" before trading Garoppolo. He decided long ago about Garoppolo's value to the Patriots either in uniform or as trade bait.

Rob0729 said:

First, you cannot compare Brady and Manning. Manning was in his mid 30s when he got injured and missed the season. He already had several neck surgeries at that point. By the time he fell off with the Broncos, he has already had experimental surgery in Germany to repair his neck and couldn't feel his fingers on his throwing hand on cold days.

Second, I think Favre's "will he or won't he" offseasons where he went home to Mississippi and worked out alone at a high school football field deciding if he would retire or not hurt him. Favre was never a big offseason conditioning person. He worked out, but his offseason conditioning was never all that.

Third, Favre relied on his physical skills over his mental skills. He was a gunslinger. He was not a precision QB like Brady. Once his cannon of an arm was gone, so was his career. Brady doesn't need to rely on a cannon of an arm.

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Minnesota sent a team of veterans to drag Favre back to play in 2010. Whereas someone posted a "news" article about how Tom Brady was going to play until they had to sack him into the grave and people thought it was serious.

Also between 2009->2010 Favre lost Sidney Rice who was a beast in 2009.

Also Favre was coached by Brad Childress. You know the coach who was the subject of Randy Moss' epic meltdown press conference. And was fired that season.

I think one can safely give Brady at least a few more years than Favre.

Rob0729 said:

I am sure in three to four years, he might just walk away. There is no way he will walk away after this season unless his skills decline significantly whether he has another ring or not.

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U must be the only one in his head

IllegalContact said:

U must be the only one in his head

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No. There is enough evidence out there that there is no way he is going retire until he is forced to retire. There is ZERO evidence that Brady intends to retire after this season if he wins the Super Bowl.

Rob0729 said:

No. There is enough evidence out there that there is no way he is going retire until he is forced to retire. There is ZERO evidence that Brady intends to retire after this season if he wins the Super Bowl.

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There is zero evidence that there is no way he's going to retire until he is forced to retire

IllegalContact said:

There is zero evidence that there is no way he's going to retire until he is forced to retire

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Except him saying he wants to play til he is 45 and the fact he is an ultimate competitor and thrives on competition and that he said he defies his wife's wishes and continues to play. So basically if you ignore the mountain of evidence that Brady will likely play until he is forced to retire, you are right there is no evidence.

Bb's wants trophy #6 real bad!

He is not leaving anything to chance or a freak injury.

GodBrady said:

I agree with you on virtually everything, but not on this.

Obviously every player is "one hit away", but being older makes him more susceptible. There's nothing controversial about that statement.

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Tom Brady played 15 injury free games last year. The 2 young guys who filled in for him in 4 games sustained 2 serious injuries.

GodBrady said:

People say this a lot, but I think it is romanticized and exaggerated. Even if his regimen truly is unprecedented, it's not like other old quarterbacks were sitting around eating Cheetos and drinking Mountain Dew all day.

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No, but they were taking a helluva lot more physical punishment than present day QB's take.

GodBrady said:

Peyton Manning and Brett Favre were also iron men, and both indeed hit a wall -- and fast.

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Peyton Manning missed a full year due to injury and then hit his wall in literally the first month after HGH testing was implemented in the NFL.

GodBrady said:

Well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't agree with your depiction. We are just going to go round and round in circles.

I'll finish with this. Of the pool of all players in NFL history, very few have remained very productive into their 40's. It's almost unprecedented. The burden of proof is isn't on us to prove that Brady won't hit a wall -- it's on those that he won't.

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That makes no sense whatsoever. We are trying to predict the future. No one can "prove" what is going to happen. All we can do is look at the available evidence to make predictions.

And the evidence sure as hell suggest this mythical "wall" is not even remotely in Brady's immediate future.

If Tom Brady's on two feet, we got a great shot to win the Super Bowl. And if he's not, that's why Jimmy's here.

But I think to myself, I can't see BB letting Jimmy go for nothing next offseason. Paying him starter money to be a backup also doesn't make sense. If BB really thinks Jimmy is worthy of being a franchise QB to build around, then I see him trading or cutting Brady after the season. It's the Montana/Young, Favre/Rodgers situation. Everyone would hate it, but it would have to be done.

Banjo said:

If Tom Brady's on two feet, we got a great shot to win the Super Bowl. And if he's not, that's why Jimmy's here.

But I think to myself, I can't see BB letting Jimmy go for nothing next offseason. Paying him starter money to be a backup also doesn't make sense. If BB really thinks Jimmy is worthy of being a franchise QB to build around, then I see him trading or cutting Brady after the season. It's the Montana/Young, Favre/Rodgers situation. Everyone would hate it, but it would have to be done.

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As has been established, this situation is not even remotely comparable to those 2 situations.

I think Brady has 3-4 years left of high level QB play. I am just not certain he will end his career with the Patriots.

As long as Brady's arm holds up he could play well into his 40's, I am just not sure how much of a beating he will be able to take.

Even now I cringe when I see Brady get wacked but he always gets up.

KontradictioN said:

That first half of the Super Bowl theory is an interesting one. I've seen it a couple of places now. The Falcons began to take a turn for the worst when they came out of bump and run and switched to a primarily zone look. I haven't reviewed the film of that first half just yet. Is there anyone that has? Was Brady holding the ball too long and having trouble coming off of his primary?

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You are looking at the wrong move for a reaction to the SB.

It is not keeping JG but acquiring Cooks that shows what went wrong. They had drops (Hogan, Edelman) and players that couldn't get open as fast as necessary. A sack doesn't need to happen after 4-5 seconds to be a coverage sack. That INT you gotta tip your head off to the Falcons coaching staff because they set this one up for a long time and executed it well.

Not trying to homer Brady at all but I honestly didn't see Brady struggle as much in the first half but rather the entire offense struggle in their respective roles.

Banjo said:

If BB really thinks Jimmy is worthy of being a franchise QB to build around, then I see him trading or cutting Brady after the season. It's the Montana/Young, Favre/Rodgers situation. Everyone would hate it, but it would have to be done.

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So after the draft trade window is closed this is what the new weekly **** posts will be about ?

Even though we heard from multiple sources what Brady's plans are (including emails to his father that were never meant to be public) ? Stop making plans or giant schemes and just sit back and see what happens as BB does by keeping JG around. There is no rush to do anything since you got another capable QB here for another season. All of this crap can be revisited in the 2018 offseason after winning number 6.