Reports: Browns reached out last night about Garoppolo, were told no. Will make another offer today

I gotta believe that the Browns are still the Browns and are going to Brown tonight. We will get a nice haul of picks for JG.

I think BB "values" the "value" in next years draft (as some have said previously). If they do trade Jimmy for a king's ransom, then they'll definitely have enough ammo to AT LEAST TARGET QB Sam Darnold (considering he actually declares next year & the Pats actually want to draft him.)

FrodoBagginz said:

I gotta believe that the Browns are still the Browns and are going to Brown tonight. We will get a nice haul of picks for JG.

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I think it's a smart move on their part. They still have future picks. I see it the other eay though. The browns will be the browns and use all their picks.

JMC00 said:

If Cleveland really wants Garoppolo my guess is

52
Cle '18 1st
Hou '18 1st
Phi '18 2nd

Might get it done.

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may as well throw someone's first born in for the craic.

The Gr8est said:

Your suggested offer from Cleveland is less than Houston traded to get Watson.

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It wasn't "My suggested deal". It's the "deal" that has been rumored time and again that Cleveland supposedly offered..

Real World said:

The easy part is believing that BB sees JG as the successor to TB. The hard part, is how can they get their if Brady does indeed play 3 more years (if not more). I just don't see a path, outside the unforeseen. That is, unless Brady gets hurt, Brady takes true peanuts in pay, JG wants to sit on the bench and signs a team friendly extension, or Brady retires. Does anyone really believe that the Patriots will tag JG and pay Brady during 2018? How about for 2019 too? I just don't see that happening. So while BB might really believe in him, how does he keep him if Brady keeps playing?

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Or this is Brady's last year in NE irrespective of how he plays.

Wrath Mania said:

Or this is Brady's last year in NE irrespective of how he plays.

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Then just say that.

It's not like it hurts to know.

heavyde050 said:

No one thought the 2001 Pats were going to win the SB.
No Pats fan (at least that I remember) had any thought of Bledsoe every leading the Pats back to a SB (in 2001) let alone winning one.
Your comment is complete revisionist history.
BB's first year in NE he completely overhauled the team and they went like 5 -11 (in 2000).
BB is the greatest coach ever, but he got super lucky with Tom Brady. Just like Walsh got lucky with Montana (and then Young).
So to answer your question I don't remember when folks would have said the same about Bledsoe, but if you thought the 2001 Pats were going to win the SB with Bledsoe, then I guess you had a much better read on the team than many others.

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You want to talk about revisionist history, just look at your post. BB didn't completely overhaul the team in 2000. It was actually a 2 year process. He was bound by a bunch of bad contracts, salary cap wise, in 2000.

You say that BB got "lucky" with Brady. No. He didn't get lucky. He had a very good coach in **** Rehbein who had evaluated both Brady and Tim Rattay. When Rehbein was asked which QB to take, he said, without pause, Brady. Rehbein recognized what Brady had.

Furthermore, you're totally missing the point of @n6249c 's post. His point was that no one figured that Brady would come in and do what he did. You're bashing the guy for an argument he didn't make regarding Bledsoe.

Wrath Mania said:

Or this is Brady's last year in NE irrespective of how he plays.

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That would certainly qualify as the unforeseen.

In all honesty though, if Brady tosses up another great year, with the Pats doing their usual 12 to 14 win season, and deep run in the playoffs, do you really think BB will cut ties with Brady? He will have to do just that cuz I don't think Brady plans to retire if he plays well.

Real World said:

That would certainly qualify as the unforeseen.

In all honesty though, if Brady tosses up another great year, with the Pats doing their usual 12 to 14 win season, and deep run in the playoffs, do you really think BB will cut ties with Brady? He will have to do just that cuz I don't think Brady plans to retire if he plays well.

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My guess is the plan is to see how Brady plays next year. If he hits a wall (like Favre, Manning, et al. did out of the blue), they will move on from him and hand the keys to Garoppolo. At 40, Brady is also probably more likely to get injured.

If Brady shows no signs of slowing down, they will franchise Garoppolo and then trade him next year, just like we did with Matt Cassel.

This is my best guess as to what the organization is doing. Personally, I disagree with it (I would sell high on Garoppolo), but it's what I think they're doing.

ChrisR2223 said:

Cleveland will be all in on Sam Darnold and it's a shame he must be praying someone anybody else drafts him.

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Why? The browns are actually building a good team this outdated browns joke should stop. Coleman looked good last year and they are adding a stud TE to go with a defense there building.

PatriotsPimp136 said:

Still baffled by this decision. I believe in my heart that brady can play at a pro bowl level the next two or 3 seasons.

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Bill doesn't make decisions based on his heart, thank god.

Real World said:

That would certainly qualify as the unforeseen.

In all honesty though, if Brady tosses up another great year, with the Pats doing their usual 12 to 14 win season, and deep run in the playoffs, do you really think BB will cut ties with Brady? He will have to do just that cuz I don't think Brady plans to retire if he plays well.

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That's the likely scenario which begs the question. Why hasn't jimmy been traded? Is bill mostly concerned about brady getting injured this season and not having a quality backup? Are they planning on moving from brady regardless if brady lights it up? That would be asinine and painful as a pats fan. Brady loves the game

LightSkinSmurf said:

Bill doesn't make decisions based on his heart, thank god.

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Well bill must think that brady will fall off. Based on what?

JMC00 said:

If Cleveland really wants Garoppolo my guess is

52
Cle '18 1st
Hou '18 1st
Phi '18 2nd

Might get it done.

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...... then,trade 52 for Sherman and use whatever combo of picks are needed next April to outbid everyone for Darnold who, could apprentice under Brady for a couple of years.

PatriotsPimp136 said:

Well bill must think that brady will fall off. Based on what?

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The fact that he's 40 years old maybe? Just a guess.

carmelo15 said:

Why? The browns are actually building a good team this outdated browns joke should stop. Coleman looked good last year and they are adding a stud TE to go with a defense there building.

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Seriously, the whole "Browns being Browns" thing is getting stale. It is an entirely new regime. They have a clean slate.

They have made some awesome moves, have a ton of cap space, and have an embarrassment of riches in terms of draft picks over the next two years:
- 2 second-round picks in 2017
- 3 fifth-round picks in 2017
- 2 sixth-round picks in 2017
- 2 first-round picks in 2018
- 3 second-round picks in 2018
- 2 fourth-round picks in 2018
- 2 6th-round picks in 2018

That is a ton of ammo to either trade up for players they want, or to swing a megadeal for someone like Garoppolo/Cousins/etc.

For once, there's reason to be optimistic as a Browns fan. They have a good line, some nice talent on defense (Collins, Garrett, Peppers, etc) and, again, a ton of resources.

KontradictioN said:

He gets asked the same question all the time. That's basically a standard answer. Whether it's to avoid a retirement tour type of press coverage or if it's how he really feels is up for debate. We DO know that there was some talk between him and his wife about hanging it up after this last one. Six would pretty much keep him as the GOAT, the title count all but out of reach for future aspiring GOAT QBs, and would put him at 41 years old with his health intact and able to spend more time with his family. It's not exactly a stretch to imagine a discussion behind the scenes of Brady planning to retire if he wins his 6th this year. Whether you want to admit it or not, the theory holds water.

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Except Brady will freely state he wants to play for another five years without being prompted. He isn't deflecting. He making a firm statement.

ctpatsfan77 said:

That was an Onion-like article. Another one from the same site claimed he'd play until he was sacked into his grave.

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Either way. He has said he wants to play until HE IS 45.

DaBruinz said:

You want to talk about revisionist history, just look at your post. BB didn't completely overhaul the team in 2000. It was actually a 2 year process. He was bound by a bunch of bad contracts, salary cap wise, in 2000.

You say that BB got "lucky" with Brady. No. He didn't get lucky. He had a very good coach in **** Rehbein who had evaluated both Brady and Tim Rattay. When Rehbein was asked which QB to take, he said, without pause, Brady. Rehbein recognized what Brady had.

Furthermore, you're totally missing the point of @n6249c 's post. His point was that no one figured that Brady would come in and do what he did. You're bashing the guy for an argument he didn't make regarding Bledsoe.

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My intent wasn't to bash anyone. I responding to a reply to my post.
I am sorry, but BB did get at least a little bit lucky with Brady. No one knew how great he would become or the Pats (among other teams) wouldn't have allowed him to slip to pick 199.
Yes I remember that it was a multi-year process. BB took over a team not in the best shape and starting the re-build/re-tool process. 5 Super Bowl titles later, I would say he did a phenomenal job.
I am sorry my post didn't come across well, but I meant to respond to the fact that I don't believe that drawing any sort of parallel to Jimmy replacing Brady with Brady replacing Bledsoe is the correct way to look at it.
I have stated my belief that I don't think the Pats win the SB without Brady in 2017. It is a message baord, we are all free to have different opinions and participate in good conversations about the team.
Hopefully, the Pats won't need to figure out IF Jimmy could win a SB title with he current team; I hope that Jimmy doesn't have to play in 2017 and that Brady leads the Pats to another championship.